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Ive said for years now, that in their current iteration and charging infrastructure that Teslas are perfect cars for my mother. She lives her life in about a 30 mile radius bubble. Is afraid to drive on the interstate for that matter. So for her, the the idea of needing to make a sudden trip that might be 300 miles one way is a laughable concept. Shes at home every night so simply plugging it in and having an available charge every morning worth 350 miles is probably good for a safety factor of like 8x.
In comparison, a lot of us probably might be shopping Facebook marketplace on the toilet and spot a RAIV intake for cheap the next state over and need to get there before someone else swoops in. So again, I think the technology has promise. I support the company, and wouldn't rule a commuter model out for myself in the future. But right now, for me its just not there yet.
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The idea of a full electric car, like a Tesla vs a hybrid makes sense to a guy who works on cars like me. Toyota has done a remarkable job building reliable cars including the Prius. But the shear amount of hardware in a hybrid and the potential failures are mind boggling. An all electric vehicle is much simpler in execution and would be easier to diagnose and repair when that becomes necessary. Battery life and range will get to an acceptable level soon and these cars will be a good choice for some people. Choice is the key. If I want or need a gasoline powered vehicle, they should be available.
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He used to tell us that he had a really hard time convincing GM marketing people to actually run that ad. I think this was the first one without a car.
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When the Infinity brand first launched, they ran an entire series of ads that did not picture a car and this was for a new brand! They owe a lot to Wangers for his groundbreaking ads of the 1960's. They were brilliant. BTW, Infinity took allot of heat from the automotive press for those ads. Trying to launch a brand without showing them the product. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rIUAuW6vLk
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But I just can't support Tesla. Elon Musk is a fraud and a liar. He took nearly 500,000 deposits on the Model 3 starting back in March of 2016 for a car that was supposed to sell for $35,000. That's $500,000,000 in cash that he took for a car he had no intention of having available for purchase for YEARS! If you go to Tesla's website rite now and look at pricing for the Model 3, it shows the starting price as $32,815.00*. If you look for the * below, you'll find this statement: Quote:
So the lowest price Tesla Model 3 is really $38,990.00. Not everyone qualifies for the full tax credit and gas savings depend on how many miles you drive. He chooses to use gas savings, but doesn't include the higher cost to insure a Tesla. How expensive? For a car that he claims to cost $32,815.00.... Quote:
My Cadillac ATS4 ($50,000.00 sticker) is only $600.00 per year... I can pay for a lot of gas for the extra $2200 per year on my insurance. I get close to 30 MPG and have a cruising range of close to 500 miles. At most it takes 5 minutes to get another 500 miles of range.... |
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You are entitled to your opinion but that is a pretty aggressive stance. They are delivering the model 3s (ive seen three in my work parking lots) and that’s in rural Indiana. And even if you don’t count the incentive, the MSRP is only about 10% higher than what was promised.
So while from a definition perspective you could say promising 35k and delivering 39k is fraudulent and false, it’s not exactly snake oil. I’m sure we have all seen muuuuuuch shadier deals. They are also still not out of the woods in being a new company with new technology. Most companies fail. And they might collapse leaving some people high and dry. But I hope they don’t. And I hope people get their products they were promised. We also know that volume drives down cost. Maybe eventually they hit their target prices. I’m not saying you don’t have some points, in fact I agree that trying to quote the gas savings in the price is lame. I just think it’s an aggressive stance when I’m sure you could find more deserving outlets for you ire. I work in military technology. Have spent a fair amount of time deployed. Trust me. There is some outrageous expenditures with tax dollars that it’s usually just to far away for people to notice.
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I don't know what the average selling price is today, but at the end of the second quarter of this year, this is what Tesla put out in their "Second Quarter Update": Quote:
Musk was forced to resign as Chairman of the Board and was fined $20,000,000.00 for violating anti-fraud provisions of the federal securities laws last year. I don't have a problem with Tesla, the company. It's Musk. My personal prediction is that Tesla will be taken over by a real automobile company (Mercedes, VW, Ford, GM...) and Musk will go play in space (something that he seems to have more interest in). |
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Biggest issue with Tesla from a business point is they’re not making money.
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Yup, going to need a bailout
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If you want to an educated larrikin Aussie 's opinion on Musk and the EV scam , I like this guys attitude and I hope he does not offend to many,also I hope you understand him.
Because I use Taptalk I can't post links. I miss my PC. IT'S WORTH A LISTEN Maybe someone can help John Cadogan auto expert top 6 latest epic Tesla fails. John L. Sent from my SM-T585 using Tapatalk
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Tesla-wise, daughter has a Model 3 Performance and it's an absolute riot. |
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Thanks Champ
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Electric vehicles have been the "next big thing" for about 100 years.
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^That's California for yah!
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You cheated on your Pontiac with some hussy?
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That's your extra cynical interpretation. I think he's discovered he CAN'T build a $35K car. At least not yet.
Keep in mind nobody has been ripped off. Depositors can get their money back. Investors can sell their stock. |
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Third quarter they just announced a profit. They are roller coastering and might not make it out of a future valley. Or they might. It's not all doom/gloom.
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Because he couldn't build the $35,000 car he promised (he needed to be able to hit volume levels that he couldn't achieve - and still hasn't), he built $60,000 cars with tons of highly marked up options to make a profit. The $60,000 buyer, who didn't need a $7500 tax credit, is the buyer that was able to take advantage of the US taxpayer. The Tesla tax credit disappears in less than 2 months. That $35,000 Tesla customer will never get a $7500 tax credit. This is a classic example of bait and switch. Musk is a modern day PT Barnum - a sucker is born every minute.... |
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