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Old 05-27-2020, 11:48 AM
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I have a 1968 400 stroker block but with the 11 bolt timing cover and water pump. I know there are many power steering brackets, some with alternator brackets incorporated. I am relocating my alternator to the passenger side down low, Therefore I do not need this bracket with the power steering. I am looking for the simplest bracket or brackets to attach the power steering pump. I have searched and there are many years available, plus a 1970 only version.
Can anyone recommend one that will work? This is the Saginaw power steering pump, not sure if they are the same pumps throughout the years. Can you use one bracket or do you need 2 brackets?

Any help Would be appreciated.

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Old 05-27-2020, 12:29 PM
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The 68 and up cast Aluminum PS/ Alt bracket/ cradle bolts to the face of the head with 2 bolts if I recall right and does not care about what water pump you have .

It's only the top bracket of the Alt if you where using such in a factory set up that goes over for mounting to the top of the water pump.

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Old 05-27-2020, 01:42 PM
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I wasn’t aware there was a single bracket for the power steering pump. The ones I have seen have a bracket behind the pump body for the stud, and usually another bracket the is sandwiched between the body housing and the pulley. I think I still need the bracket sandwiched behind the pulley.

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Old 05-27-2020, 01:59 PM
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I have a 1968 400 stroker block but with the 11 bolt timing cover and water pump. I know there are many power steering brackets, some with alternator brackets incorporated. I am relocating my alternator to the passenger side down low, Therefore I do not need this bracket with the power steering. I am looking for the simplest bracket or brackets to attach the power steering pump. I have searched and there are many years available, plus a 1970 only version.
Can anyone recommend one that will work? This is the Saginaw power steering pump, not sure if they are the same pumps throughout the years. Can you use one bracket or do you need 2 brackets?

Any help Would be appreciated.
A '67-70 Pontiac V8 PS alum mtg block, as well as one of the two style '67-70 Pontiac v8 pumps, along with the cupped steel washer, & matching pulleys should acomplish what you are after on the drivers side. As long as you stay within the same pulley style ('70 model A-B-G w tall 11 bolt wp) you will be fine, do not try to mix in earlier pulleys or the '71+ style pulleys.

'67-70 Pontiac V8 with PS (exc 70 Firebird V8) used the adjustable PS/ Alt alum mtg block with the "hockey stick" bracket attached on the front, the latter attached the lower mtg point for the alternator, you won't need that small bracket, but will need a shorter bolt. Can't see any reason to go to the '70 only Firebird V8 setup, thats a 70 V8 Bird only deal & will not allow a clean PS pump only function on the drivers side.

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Here's what it looks like.
It's held to the head by one 3/8" course 1 1\2" long bolt, and the other is 1 7/8" long.

You also need the big flat plate front section as shown, and the kinda Bent L narrow shaped 3 hole flat plate.

This is the diagram for the 68 and 69 set up, the 70 to 76 set up is the same but for the upper Alt bracket which is a much more stout affair, but you don't need that anyway.
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Great, thanks for the diagram.

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Glad to be of help!

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Well this is not as easy as I thought. The pump was all cockeyed to begin with, plus this pump didn’t have a nut, I had to use the special puller to get it off. That was a clue something wasn’t right. After pulling the pump it appears it’s a 1985-1987 pump for Chevy 305, 350. I would like to use this pump but unsure if those brackets will fit it. Should I just get that rear bracket and hope it bolts up correctly?

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I HAD SOME OF THOSE PUMPS, and threw them in the dumpster as no where the same as the Pontiac Pumps.

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Soupman, the PS pump you're showing is a '79 & early '80's 229-305 Chevy pump. The two row stamping on the rear of the Reservoir is a big clue, not the same Reservoir is not the as late Pontiac 400/265/301 pumps. Just went through several pumps in my shop, & sure enough, have one like you pictured. This early 80's Chevy pump & brackets came originally with a 2 groove pulley stamped 14021373. The early 80's Chevy pump I have will go in the core basket, if i could use the Reservoir, I'd tear down the pump & use it restoring a late '70's Pontiac PS pump.

To run the correct '67-70 PS pump, alum PS mtg block, & '69 (short hub) or '70+ (tall hub) 11 bolt waterpump, you will need the correct '67-70 Pontiac V8 PS pump complete with correct '900 or '901 PS pulley, correct stud on the back of the pump, bolts, as well as the cupped washer & castle nut that go behind the alum mtg block to snug the pump up. Will also need the correct crank & wp pulley, nice early core Reservoirs/pumps/bracket assemblies are typically not pick-n-pull price pieces, just a pair of nice matching '70 AC diam pulleys are fairly expensive.

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Old 06-02-2020, 09:23 AM
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Ok. I knew this wasn’t going to be easy. Sounds like best bet is to scrap what I have a start fresh with the 67-70 pump brackets and pulleys.
Does this pump put out more flow, or where all Saginaw pumps pretty much the same flow? Does the pump flow rate need to match the gear box, or they all close enough?

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I have never seen any info that said that the pump flow was any different for the different Pontiac Pumps. The control valving might be a bit different but a Power Steering Expert (like Tom Lee) would be able to tell you what parts would work for your application.

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I personally would use the 71 and up style setup, just because I hate the stupid double alternator strap design from the late 60s.

I have one of those style pumps on my 67 with 69-70 type brackets. I did make it work, but it leaves very little room for adjustment. I had to use a smaller alternator belt, and even then to get things tight, your PS cap will be right up against the alternator.


If you want to use that pump and need brackets anyway, you may consider an aftermarket bracket assembly like CVF. That's actually where my later gen pump is from. I think the reservoirs are slightly larger on those which could lend to keeping the PS fluid cooler. Other than that there probably isn't any difference sans the valving. It also might have metric fittings If I remember correctly.

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