[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by Judge273

Here was a response with vin...missing the year?

"They have a place for the VIN in the database (they have published it as open data), but the field was empty on this car, unfortunately. But as the owner is the retired NHL hockey legend Teemu Selanne, who is a known high profile classic car collector and has several cars in Finland and in the USA, I'm pretty certain this is the real deal and not a replica or a clone. The car is very rarely seen, as Teemu lives in California and is only rarely visiting Finland, and even more rarely using the car here, so the car mostly is in storage somewhere. I have been a fan of GTO's for a long time and haven't seen the car in person, even this photo was taken by a friend. Hmm. actually I DO have the VIN of the car... it's 24267P116246. Can you see something special from it?"

I can see the vin is missing the year digit

[The Boss]

Top's been replaced if it is one of the ones on the list.

[Judge273]

Wonder if JM will chime in on the now posted Vin and say yes or no? Share the details? I don't have Teemu Selanne number or I would call him to see...

I'm leaning towards clone but who knows?

Here is a list of his cars...


1949 Cadillac Convt.
1957 Chrysler 300C Convt.
1959 Cadillac Eldorado Convt.
1961 Lincoln Contintental Convt.
1967 Shelby GT500
1968 Chevy Corvette Convt.
1969 Pontiac Firebird Convt.
1970 Dodge Challenger Hemi Convt.
1971 Plymouth Barracuda Convt.
1971 Pontiac GTO Judge Convt.
1997 Mercedes Benz S600
1998 Panoz Roadster
1999 Kawasaki ZX-11
2000 BMW M5
2000 BMW Z8
2000 Ferrari 550 Maranello
2000 Harley Davidson Fat Boy
2001 Lexus LX470
2002 Ferrari 360 Spyder F1
2002 Harley Davidson V-Rod
2002 Porsche 911 Turbo
2003 Mercedes Benz SL55

Not too shabby hey?

[Diego]

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head

The above pic looks a lot closer to '70 Granada Gold than it does the really dark amber '71 "Aztec Gold". Being 46 years old, its most likely been repainted at least once. Have parted two Granada Gold '70 GTO's & they are night & day a lighter color than Aztec.

Had the same thought.

[Pepper Judge]

Originally Posted by Judge273

Here was a response with vin...missing the year?

"They have a place for the VIN in the database (they have published it as open data), but the field was empty on this car, unfortunately. But as the owner is the retired NHL hockey legend Teemu Selanne, who is a known high profile classic car collector and has several cars in Finland and in the USA, I'm pretty certain this is the real deal and not a replica or a clone. The car is very rarely seen, as Teemu lives in California and is only rarely visiting Finland, and even more rarely using the car here, so the car mostly is in storage somewhere. I have been a fan of GTO's for a long time and haven't seen the car in person, even this photo was taken by a friend. Hmm. actually I DO have the VIN of the car... it's 24267P116246. Can you see something special from it?"

One Quezal Gold with a black top, two Aztec Gold with light coloured tops on Fred Simmons / Steve Hoog’s list of The “17” 1971 Pontiac Judge Convertibles

Seems to be missing a "1" or the 6th digit for the model year from the VIN above 242671P11

[johnta1]

Did it say if it was automatic or stick?

Maybe it's the one that was 'totaled' when new?
(those in the 'know' would know?)

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by Pepper Judge

One Quezal Gold with a black top, two Aztec Gold with light coloured tops on Fred Simmons / Steve Hoog’s list of The “17” 1971 Pontiac Judge Convertibles

Seems to be missing a "1" or the 6th digit for the model year from the VIN above 242671P11

Quezal Gold with black top is accounted for and in a collection in NY.

[muscle_collector]

Originally Posted by johnta1

Did it say if it was automatic or stick?

Maybe it's the one that was 'totaled' when new?
(those in the 'know' would know?)

I think that was supposed to be a red one if I remember correctly

[Judge273]

Originally Posted by Judge273

Here was a response with vin...missing the year?

"They have a place for the VIN in the database (they have published it as open data), but the field was empty on this car, unfortunately. But as the owner is the retired NHL hockey legend Teemu Selanne, who is a known high profile classic car collector and has several cars in Finland and in the USA, I'm pretty certain this is the real deal and not a replica or a clone. The car is very rarely seen, as Teemu lives in California and is only rarely visiting Finland, and even more rarely using the car here, so the car mostly is in storage somewhere. I have been a fan of GTO's for a long time and haven't seen the car in person, even this photo was taken by a friend. Hmm. actually I DO have the VIN of the car... it's 24267P116246. Can you see something special from it?"

To quote myself and the he gentleman from Finland. He did have VIN and noted the missing year as I did at top. But thanks...Teemu must be busy as he isn't chiming in on this thread or JM either.

The reality is so many clones and easy to clone a Judge. Also easier to have top changed over years and paint looking strange in a photo or even a color change. But, having no a VIN is a game changer

[johnta1]

The red one was in Sweden for awhile.

One of the Aztec Gold was rumored totaled.

All according to Steve anyway.
(from his old site)

[The Boss]

The Red 4spd belongs to Kevin Suydam now.

[hakansan]

Here is the true story about the car:
http://www.71judges.com/71/106957/letterjanshur.htm

[The Boss]

Cool story!

[OVERULD]

Cool Story Indeed! Chris, we watched that Red 70 Judge get sold at Milt's auction a few years ago.

BJ

[flyingn]

great story but 12.8 at 123 mph sure dont add up. 123 mph is well in the 10's and stock engines aint in no way capable of that

[The Boss]

Originally Posted by OVERULD

Cool Story Indeed! Chris, we watched that Red 70 Judge get sold at Milt's auction a few years ago.

BJ

7 Years ago now BJ - doesn't seem that long now does it? I'm not sure if Milts is the car he was talking about or Rick Mahoney's red 70 RAIV convertible. I think Ricks is the one that was brought back over.

[Jerry H.]

Originally Posted by The Boss

7 Years ago now BJ - doesn't seem that long now does it? I'm not sure if Milts is the car he was talking about or Rick Mahoney's red 70 RAIV convertible. I think Ricks is the one that was brought back over.

7 years ago! And those are times I had just had soon forget but the lawyers just won't let me. Maybe soon though.

[OVERULD]

Doesn't seem that long ago Chris. Jerry - hang in there Pal. Hope to see you at the BOP show.

BJ

[Ron Landis]

Originally Posted by Jerry H.

7 years ago! And those are times I had just had soon forget but the lawyers just won't let me. Maybe soon though.

I am setting up a WIT-PRO program here in Ohio for some of my friends...you are welcome to join! Off the grid...son!

[Jerry H.]

Originally Posted by OVERULD

Doesn't seem that long ago Chris. Jerry - hang in there Pal. Hope to see you at the BOP show.

BJ

I've been having Pontiac withdrawals ever since I sold the 65 @ Mecum. Going to look at a 66 one-owner Catalina that I've known for over 30 years. It's been stored outside under a shed, so it's gonna be rough, but I hope it's not rusty. If it's not I'm bringing it home.