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Old 01-20-2021, 02:31 PM
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Default 1966 Protect-O-Plate help needed

Does anyone know if the POP for a 66 GTO identifies the transmission and axle? The vin and engine codes are easy but the other codes don’t help. I have the PHS but don’t know how to tell between a 3.90 and 4.33.

POP info below
223 AA Full VIN
EUN WV8 3 S Q
FT 6 Indian Head Stamp

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Old 01-20-2021, 03:42 PM
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S = 4.33
P = 3.90

So you have a 66 Black on Black with 3x2 M21 4.33 (california code WV)
You the MAN !
And so was whoever bought that thang New

Black/Black 66 is my favorite GTO
What else did it come with ?

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Old 01-20-2021, 05:01 PM
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S = 4.33
P = 3.90

So you have a 66 Black on Black with 3x2 M21 4.33 (california code WV)
You the MAN !
And so was whoever bought that thang New

Black/Black 66 is my favorite GTO
What else did it come with ?
I agree! That kind of thing never happens.....to me at least! More info on the car, with pics, please!!!

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Old 01-20-2021, 07:03 PM
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S = 4.33
P = 3.90

So you have a 66 Black on Black with 3x2 M21 4.33 (california code WV)
You the MAN !
And so was whoever bought that thang New

Black/Black 66 is my favorite GTO
What else did it come with ?
The car has very limited options. AM radio, Tinted windshield only, HD Cooling, Safety Track Rear, 4.33 gears, Metallic Brake Linings, California Emissions.

Poverty caps/steel wheels, No console, standard seat belts, i'm guessing the original owner would have opted for Ram Air but it was not available in CA in '66.

The car has had the same set of mag wheels on it since at least 1974. It is a low-mile, never wrecked, never rusted all original panel car that was treated to a nut and bolt professional restoration. Interior has original upholstery. I'm super excited!

I attached a few photos of my very original black WV along side this car from a few years ago. I am in the process of readying the smog equipment to go back onto the 4.33 car.
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im impressed. 2 black tricarb cars. very nice. what are the history on them?

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Old 01-20-2021, 08:36 PM
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Wow Dan that is REALLY Awesome !
Congrats on obtaining such a well cared for Beastmobile.

Do you know if the original owner on P-o-P is still alive ?
Or is that whom you bought it from ?

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Old 01-21-2021, 03:01 AM
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I had a Blk/Red 66 Hdtp WS M20 3.55 with Good Options about 30 years ago.
Rally1 Redlines RedPinstripe
Sold it to buy a 73 SDTA.

Still have 2 Blk/Blk 66's and a Blk/Blk 65

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Wow Dan that is REALLY Awesome !
Congrats on obtaining such a well cared for Beastmobile.

Do you know if the original owner on P-o-P is still alive ?
Or is that whom you bought it from ?
Steve (the guy I bought the car from) had owned it for 45 years but at some point had done some good research on former owners. He was able to get info from the original owner's brother.

Steve and I met at a small car show in New Haven, Indiana a few years ago. I had taken my very original black '66 California WV tri power car to the show with a brother-in-law.
You can imagine my surprise when I discovered the only other vintage GTO at the show happened to be another black '66 California WV tri power car! Steve's car was beautifully restored but did not have the smog parts on it. The engine was dressed like a WS. Steve showed me the documentation he had in a binder and the history of the car including some drag-race years.

Steve's brother was living in SoCal at the time and Steve was looking for a black '66 to replace one he had bought new. This car was found and Steve made a deal on it. He somehow talked his brother and his 2 nephews into driving the car to Indiana (2,000 miles). Can you imagine driving the GTO from SoCal to NE Indiana with 4.33 rear gears??

Steve and his wife enjoyed the car for decades before deciding to have it restored. Steve's wife told me a story of driving the car on a "Girls Night Out" with a few friends and accepting an offer to race the car against some guy that assumed he would win. He didn't win.

Steve had the car restored over a 3-year period and photo-documented the process beautifully. The car has all original never damaged sheet metal and rust/pit free frame and parts. The fit and finish on the car looks exceptional to me. The doors open and close super nice, the windows look like they fit and seal well. Steve has been meticulous in his record/document keeping, parts keeping and overall care of the car. Steve had accumulated some excellent "upgrade" parts like wood steering wheel, console, rally gauges, power brakes, etc. but chose to keep the car as close to original as possible.

I plan to carefully finish and install the correct smog equipment and show this car along side the other black '66. I'd love to know how many of the 1,500 CA tri power 4-speed cars were black. My guess is 100 or fewer. It's just amazing that 2 of these cars ended up at the same small town show 2,000 miles away and 50+ years later.


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Old 01-21-2021, 03:08 PM
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I had a Blk/Red 66 Hdtp WS M20 3.55 with Good Options about 30 years ago.
Rally1 Redlines RedPinstripe
Sold it to buy a 73 SDTA.

Still have 2 Blk/Blk 66's and a Blk/Blk 65
You have Very good Pontiac taste!!

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Congrats, Dan... what an incredible find and great story! Having two black/black WV cars is truly amazing. Hope to see some more photos when you get a chance. Those wheels look like same vintage Torq Thrusts that were on my '67 when I bought it... are they 14"x6" or 14"x 7"?

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Dan, your cars are absolutely stunning! Thanks for sharing....great story that defied fantastic odds.

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Congrats, Dan... what an incredible find and great story! Having two black/black WV cars is truly amazing. Hope to see some more photos when you get a chance. Those wheels look like same vintage Torq Thrusts that were on my '67 when I bought it... are they 14"x6" or 14"x 7"?

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Thx Grant! I'm super excited to be able to make a deal on the restored car! I'll put more photos up when possible.

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Dan, your cars are absolutely stunning! Thanks for sharing....great story that defied fantastic odds.
Thx for the compliment! Both cars are exceptional in different ways!

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Below is the best breakdown I can come up with without more help. There are 3-codes I cannot identify (shown in RED). Please help if possible! Thx!!
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Dan.... pretty sure FT is the code for Close Ratio 4-speed.
FO would be Wide Ratio.

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Poverty caps/steel wheels, No console, standard seat belts, i'm guessing the original owner would have opted for Ram Air but it was not available in CA in '66..
It wasn't?

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It wasn't?
The 66 Ram Air engine was not California smog compliant, therefore was unavailable for sale. In ‘67, Pontiac did offer a CA smog compliant Ram Air for engine.

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For sone reason I thought AIR started in '67 but you're right.

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Old 02-01-2021, 03:53 PM
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I'm struggling to find much on 1966 Pontiac Protect-o-plates but I may have solved one of the mysteries. The "Q" code shown as a mystery character could be a Fremont production month code. I've found 2 sources that say "Q" was the production code used at Fremont for November production vehicles. The character is at the end of line 2 of the factory POP information. This is the same location used to show production month for other GM cars leaving Fremont. Can anyone refute or corroborate this? Another reply to this thread thought the Close-Ratio transmission was the "FT" code shown. Can anyone corroborate this?? Thx for any help!

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I finally found it.





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