[the70OOJudge]

I have a lady from Ohio that has contacted me about a WA 455 Engine they have in a 75 Trans am that they want to sell.. The engine only.. The engine was in a 70 455 Judge and it was totalled in the 70's . They have rebuilt it years ago but is in good running order apparently.. They only codes I have off it are the

Engine no: 0225109
Casting : 9799140
Its a WA code
Date Code is J289 October 28 69..

Im Just trying to get the Head casting numbers and date codes of them , as well as the intake and carb..

But Geesh... just trying to come up with what it is worth.. As we all know for the right application it could be worth quite a bit.. She has seen the guy on ebay selling the Ram Air IV engine and well thats way out of my price range for sure.. Its not that I need the engine.. I would rather see it go to a good home and a fair price for the owner and the buyer of the engine whether it be me or who ever..

Pete

[Held for Ransom]

$2000 as a starting point. If it has the correct dist./exhaust manifolds/intake/heads, look at $3-4000. Double that if it has the correct RA/man. carb. Correct motor for a Dec. car.

[70ra455]

I would be very interested in the engine if your not. My car has an original engine and I have been toying with the idea of taking it out and having another - non-original to the car - WA engine in it.

Let me know if you would.

Thanks

BTW, HELD the correct carb for that engine would not be the RA carb (7040273) unless the car was originally a RA car. The correct carb would be (7040267) which would be worth about $3,000 less than the RA version. Just a thought.

[the70OOJudge]

I will try and get the other numbers off her so I can let her know a fair price for it.

[the70OOJudge]

Just looking at the pics and it has 64 heads!! Nice....... and the date codes match.. Its not running the origional intake so thats gone and looking at the other side I would say it does not have the origional carb by the linkage. Just trying to see how I can slip on these pictures ... Grrrrr

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

These guys already know this, and are giving you face values per the block code.

But ALL the 1970 455 HO Judges (17) were built ONLY with Automatic Transmissions. This engine "may" have been in a Judge at one time - but it didn't come factory in a Judge. It must have been swapped - if it was indeed removed from a Judge.

Only 1 of the 17 has been verified in known existence. Who knows, engine could be one of none - known to exist. I would encourage her to run the PHS from the partial VIN if she has different ideas of its value reflecting a Judge status.

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Heads should be #64.
Carb numbers have already been addressed.
Factory exhaust manifolds were standard log style whether 455 R/A or 455 HO.
My info shows distributor to be same part number as Ram Air III/IV manual application, whether it was 455 R/A or 455 HO.

[70ra455]

Why would she think the car was in a Judge??? It came in a 455 stick car non-Judge. Since the carb is not original what's the difference whether it came in a RA 455 car? It won't effect the value of the WA block one iota. HELD is in the ballpark for the block/heads.

BTW, the distributor is not the same part number as the RA3&4 cars. It is a different part number. Ends in a 12.

[70ra455]

Oh yeah one HUGE impact on the value of the block is whether the block is:

- free or stuck
- standard bore or over bored
- any cracks (no guarantee lowers price)

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by 70ra455

Why would she think the car was in a Judge??? ...what's the difference whether it came in a RA 455 car?

BTW, the distributor is not the same part number as the RA3&4 cars. It is a different part number. Ends in a 12.

Idunno - Why would any CAR be in a Judge ? lol

Title of thread is "1970 455 WA GTO Judge Engine". Pete was told by current owner it came from a totalled Judge in the 70's. By what I read.

I suggested PHS in case seller needs a reality check or a price adjustment.

I've seen some varying distributor number charts. The one I go by reads:

RamIII Auto 1112009
RamIII Manual 1112024
Ram IV Auto & Manual 1112011

455 #WA (GTO) 1112024
455 #YA/#YC (GTO) 1112009

455 #XF/#WG (GP & B) 1112012

Memory faded on the RamIII/RamIV being same distributor.

I've seen 1112012's bought and sold as GTO correct a couple times and wondered about that. Have never checked my 455 R/A Auto distributor. Could take another decade.

Maybe the distributor code can be deciphered from a buildsheet ? Anyone ?

I have some sheets and will try to check for that later.

[JLHarper]

The last GTO 455 I sold was at $3500 and a .60 over block that was magged, bored, other work. Had 64 heads, crank, and intake.
Correct distributor also, plus carb. No exhaust manifolds.

A YC code, this was for an automatic CA built 455 GTO.

Sold a WA three years ago to a member, but a little less $ missing a few parts.

They still have value to the right party at where HFR posts, IME.

[70ra455]

My Pontiac Master Parts Book says that the GTO 4spd 455 Distributor is the 1112012. Hmmm ....

Oh yeah ... my bad on the Judge questions ... I didn't even see that ... my apologies.

[Held for Ransom]

Buildsheet will not say anything about the distributor as it was part of the engine assembly. 1112012 is correct for GTO auto or manual (this one would probably have an early 9J? stamp). And, after going thru my databases, engine is probably more correct for a late Nov. car.

And, as far as the carb, the higher end of the $3-4000 was for the 267 carb. and $6000-up for the 273 carb (higher $ for a date matching carb.).

[JLHarper]

The YC I sold had a 7040268 carb.

All GTO distiributors were 2012 from what I have seen, with or without RA option, auto or manual tans.

I will check the distributor date codes on the few I have left.

The RA Automatic 455 got the 7040270 carb.

HFR, are you collecting EUNs / build dates on the 455s or what exactly?
I can send a few.

[70ra455]

I think some of these prices being mentioned are from more than a year ago when things were in higher demand. There are people selling 455 HO engines for less than this on ebay right now and we just saw a 428 HO block (standard bore) 4spd standard bore sell for $1,500. It's still very valuable of course but I think a bit less than what's being bandied about here (but who knows!)

[the70OOJudge]

I figured it out, Thanks for the offer but I had to resize them and trim the pics a bit to get them small enough for the site to let me put them on..

[Held for Ransom]

Intake/carb and HEI dist. are probably original to the '75. Engine price should be around $2000, given engine does run and there are nothing else majorly wrong.

Jeff, I'm not actively seeking the info, but will note it in my database when offered. Thanks.

Baron, please include the 1112010 (early) with the 1112024 (late) for the RAIII/man.

[scott70]

Some codes on my 70 455 WA gto,,,,,,,2012 dist. that has a 9h21 or 8h21 after it,couldnt tell,too cold to look too long,,,the 64 heads are j319 on one,,k049 on the other.Too cold to look at the block date but its original and I do remember it was 69'.
This is a oshawa car.

[Held for Ransom]

scott70, interesting. I would have thought an engine built around your time (going by casting dates) would have had a 9K21 dist.

[the70OOJudge]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin

These guys already know this, and are giving you face values per the block code.

But ALL the 1970 455 HO Judges (17) were built ONLY with Automatic Transmissions. This engine "may" have been in a Judge at one time - but it didn't come factory in a Judge. It must have been swapped - if it was indeed removed from a Judge.

Only 1 of the 17 has been verified in known existence. Who knows, engine could be one of none - known to exist. I would encourage her to run the PHS from the partial VIN if she has different ideas of its value reflecting a Judge status.

==============================================
Heads should be #64.
Carb numbers have already been addressed.
Factory exhaust manifolds were standard log style whether 455 R/A or 455 HO.
My info shows distributor to be same part number as Ram Air III/IV manual application, whether it was 455 R/A or 455 HO.

She says it was rolled in the late 70's, Most likely had a stripe kit on it and looked like a Judge other than the lid and fender decals.. One thing for sure its a 1970 455 Block with 64 Heads..
Thanks for the info and knowledge guys!! One thing for sure putting everyones knowledge together on Pontiac info is sure interesting!!

[scott70]

Originally Posted by Held for Ransom

scott70, interesting. I would have thought an engine built around your time (going by casting dates) would have had a 9K21 dist.

Its definitely 9H21,went out and looked again and the block is K189.And the alt. is 1100- 704,not sure but it looks like original.(Its a non- AC car)
I guess the the 9H21 stands for aug 21,69' ?? If that is,i guess you would think it would be a K but.........who knows what they did at the factory.