What's the deal with Bruce Fulper?

[Bungee]

Trying to make sense of this. Bruce Fulper's name keeps coming up in talks about good Pontiac performance engine builders. He runs a Q&A in another forum, and appears to have his own fan base. Other sites, including pontiacwarriors.com, slam him and warn others to stay away from him.

There are so few good Pontiac builders as it is. It would be a waste of a good resource if we let misinformation get in the way of us seeking help from a good engine builder.

Does anyone have experience with Bruce Fulper's work? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[Bungee]

Trying to make sense of this. Bruce Fulper's name keeps coming up in talks about good Pontiac performance engine builders. He runs a Q&A in another forum, and appears to have his own fan base. Other sites, including pontiacwarriors.com, slam him and warn others to stay away from him.

There are so few good Pontiac builders as it is. It would be a waste of a good resource if we let misinformation get in the way of us seeking help from a good engine builder.

Does anyone have experience with Bruce Fulper's work? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

[george kujanski]

try http://home.earthlink.net/~rvandegrift/fulper.htm

and then post a reply on what you think.

Regards, George

[Colorado_Goat]

Fulper was invited to the GTOAA Nationals in Denver in 1996. He held a tech seminar on degreeing a cam. By the time he was finished our 360 degree wheel would have needed about another 40 degrees with his figures. That's been my only personal experience with him. I have heard many, many horror stories though very similar to the one on that web page.
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A bad day fishing beats any day working...and if you can drive your GTO to get there....all the better!

[Givindabird]

/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Thanks for the heads-up,guys.

It ain't no feakin' camaro!

[61man]

I build my own engines except for the heads, and block machine work and I know that it's hard to find good competent machinest you can trust. With that said most of us have to rely on word of mouth advertising to find a good shop. I've heard enough on this forum to know that Bruce is the last person that I would trust with my stuff. There are several that I would trust, Pontiac Dude, Paul Spotts, come to mind right off the bat, never trust your pride and joy to someone that you have heard bad things about /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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[Scott Misus]

Scott Rex also.

Look how fast Scott's running with NO catastrophic failure in his history.

215-205-5575.

[Motornoggin]

I have heard mostly bad things about RRE. However, I was at Bristol this weekend and there were a few cars there advertising RRE engines. They ran pretty good, including a really nice 62' Catalina. Supposed to be all steel 4200+ lbs. It was running pretty consistant 10.60's or so all weekend. I met and talked with Fulper at one of the POCI nats a few years ago and I didn't really like him much. I would not have him do anything regardless of his reputation just because he seems to have such a bad attitude. Hard to say, sometimes anyone of these guys can occasionally do good or bad work.

Brakes?! We don't need no stinking brakes!

[Cobrabill]

The bin Laden of the Pontiac world

Stupidity should be painfull

[TIAUTOMAN]

Hi, I have experience with Bruce. about two years ago I decided to redo my 65GTO again.

I knew how I wanted the car and the motor.

So I started to make phone calls. First I called
Jim Butler, and the response I got was call back
when you have Money. Same with KRE. Thats fine
and I understand these people are in Business to make money. Then I called Bruce I talked to him
for a while on the phone and told him what i wanted to do. I was looking for 600hp, low compression ( pump gas motor) set up to run NOS
If i choose. He came back with a list of parts and prices. So slowly over the next year or so
I bought parts (on his recommendation)
Some of the parts I got from him, some from Summit
He handled Machine work, head porting, and Assy.

I live in PHX, so Im not to far from his shop.
The engine would have been done sooner, but it was
me that held up things. ( Im not rich)
Anyway the engine was ready to go to the dyno.
again I held up things, I wanted to be there at the dyno to see what I have paid for.

Bruce has accommidated me in everyway, waited for money, waited for me and my scheduel.

Two weeks ago at westech performance we put my engine on the dyno

The only changes done to the motor on the dyno
were to set the timing (twice, each time 2 degreese) and to change the jets once.

On the 12th pull the engine made 650hp at 6100 Rpms and 617 torque at 4500. Not bad for a 9.8
street motor.

I am happy with my results.

[GONZO]

Let me ask you something "travis" ......

Did you find Bruce to be an honest,straight forward,likeable guy?
Or did you think he was an arrogant,"I know better than everyone else" kind of person?

Based on his current rep, your lucky you got any engine from him. The fact that it runs at all is a major blessing. Consider yourself very fortunate.

I HAVE had personal experience with him, and would never do business with him again under ANY circumstances.

I don't care how many 350cu / 600hp motors he can build .....that guy is just a dick.

http://www.kingofgtos.com/index.htm

[Cobrabill]

Travis-you don't have results.You have a peice of paper with numbers on it.

Results are obtained at the track.Please let us know what happens.

And for that matter let me know when you're going to Firebird.I live in Tucson and would be more than happy to drive to Yuma,i mean Phoenix to wtch a 650hp Pontiac run the number.

Stupidity should be painfull

[Blackcat]

Fulper would be the last person on this earth I'd trust with my money!
I've met him and actually had him bugging me to send him money for his old 421 rag where he used others research and called it his own! /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
He showed up at Southern Nationals long ago with his car and conviently parked in my area where I was putting my car next to the trailer! Not a real nice guy! Had a bad attitude! But the best thing was for all his horn blowing his car wouldn't even start! /infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Now I'm really impressed! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Sorry but I'm not making anything up!

Usually I'm found working on my Pontiac. If you want to find me Look for the white picket fence and all the old Pontiacs parked outside. And the half dissembled engine sprawled all over the driveway!
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[Cobrabill]

Just as i thought.The only posts made by Travis are today(23rd)ONLY!What a surprise! /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Stupidity should be painfull

[Ron]

PHX my fanny, you are from Rhode Island. Gach is back but he now calls himself Travis from PHX.

Ron

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[Half-Inch Stud]

The mystery is untangling:

I now have the 650HP tagged to 6100RPM,
rather than 4500RPM.

Travis is gonna make use of 4.10 gears...

that's it, he's out of the 3.31:1 club. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"11.00/123MPH/1.50 60foot/29.5"/4.10:1/10"/472 #48/Flat HYD/DualQuad/Wenzler/3250Lbs
12.00/112MPH/1.61 60foot/26"/3.31:1/10"/472 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3650Lbs"

[Cobrabill]

6100 redline with 4.10s?!!!!Huh?

Stupidity should be painfull

[jim brady]

Bill, doesn't this smell like a guy with really bad hygene? The one that comes to mind is from RI. He owns this really ugly 68 GTO that he calls a race car. What do you think?

[Half-Inch Stud]

not really, just their peak power was only recently tied to 6100RPM. Here how their rev will go:

6100RPM peak HP and 4.10gears could yield 1/4Mile:
26"tire......108MPH
26.6tire.....111MPH
27"tire......113MPH
28"tire......117MPH
29"tire......121MPH

Travis is way better-off using 3.55gears to hit 10's in the 1/4mile:
26"tire......115MPH
26.6tire.....118MPH
27"tire......119MPH
28"tire......124MPH
29"tire......128MPH

..I could be generalizing a bit.

H.I. Stud

"11.00/123MPH/1.50 60foot/29.5"/4.10:1/10"/472 #48/Flat HYD/DualQuad/Wenzler/3250Lbs
12.00/112MPH/1.61 60foot/26"/3.31:1/10"/472 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3650Lbs"

[Half-Inch Stud]

Uhm,

Don't yet know the Travis vehicle scale weight. Do hear 650Crankshaft HP. (I guess about 550RearwheelHP)
Choose a MPH above that corresponds to YOUR expectations of the Travis Trap speed.

See tire size for anticipated trap speed, for a 6100RPM trap tach.

Optional: ponder tire and gear selection, on your own combo, for a given peak HP.

H.I. Stud

"11.00/123MPH/1.50 60foot/29.5"/4.10:1/10"/472 #48/Flat HYD/DualQuad/Wenzler/3250Lbs
12.00/112MPH/1.61 60foot/26"/3.31:1/10"/472 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3650Lbs"

[GoatRider]

Hey as an Arizona resident from just outside PHOENIX, I want to make sure "Travis" there was not referring to my fair city with his comment that he is from "PHX."

I am quite comfy maintaining at least 500 miles between myself and those Schlock&Troll Engineering criminals over in southern california at all times. I suggest that anyone wanting to build a quality Pontiac engine without getting ripped off do the same.

"Nothing Beats an Ol' Goat..."
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[Cobrabill]

Goatrider-the ISP has been confirmed as from Az.But i'm willing to bet "Travis"is from the Yuma area.

Jim-close but no Cee-gar.

Stupidity should be painfull

[TIAUTOMAN]

I assure I am from Phoenix. Man I didnt think I would be bashed like this.

I have a 65GTO its not done, but its getting
there.

Those of you in PHX may have seen it running around. Very pretty Iris mist.

Anyway, I am running a 9in out back with 3.70 gear
May change to a 3.50 we will see in a month a few months when the car is back on the road.

[Brian Baker]

600+ HP on the 12th pull? On a 9.8 pump gas engine? Obviously that was spraying it on the dyno. It took 12 pulls to get it over 600 HP on spray? What were the "average" results on some of the other better pulls?

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[TIAUTOMAN]

I can assure that there was no Nitrous. I do have a NOS set up, which I will use once I get the chassis figured out.

there were only 3 full pulls ( from 3500 to 6500)
the rest were static. 4000 to about 5500
power was always over 620, the aditional power came from two timing changes. and one jet change.

I would like to have tested the motor on NOS and planned to, but when I left for california I didnt bring my plate. Westech didnt have a Dominator plate available at the time. So the motor was tested naturally aspriated.

[SCOTT ESTERLE]

Travis keep us posted once you get to the track. I am running a similiar combo on pump gas but i use a solid flat tappet. I would like to see what your combo runs. What carb are you planning on running.

[Brian Baker]

Those are impressive figures for a naturally aspirated pump gas engine. Cam specs? Head flow numbers?

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[Jack Peters]

Travis,

I don't think YOU ARE BEING BASHED?

Just because someone doesn't agree with you or questions you doesn't mean they are bashing you. You are new here (less than a week) and jump right in to start a subject about someone who others on this board have had a problem with. Your first thing you should have done is go to search and search for both names (Bruce Fulper and Rock & Roll Eng.), then read ALL THE POSTS that came up, gone to the web sites and then decided IF you wanted to comment or just keep silent.

I personally have never dealt with the man and because of the problems and attitudes I have read about will not.

JLP

[Blackcat]

A wise decision! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Usually I'm found working on my Pontiac. If you want to find me Look for the white picket fence and all the old Pontiacs parked outside. And the half dissembled engine sprawled all over the driveway!
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[TIAUTOMAN]

Listen I didnt mean to get anyone flustered. I love pontiacs, I have since I was a kid (Im 28, a big kid).

I like to chat about pontiacs, and I love when someone ( I dont care who) can build a bad ass engine. I now see that most of you have problems with R&R and thats fine. I havent had a problem with them.

I just wanted to let those of you in the Pontiac world know about the engine, thats it.

[Brian Baker]

No problem, Travis. Welcome aboard. I'd still like to hear some cam specs and head flow numbers (at least) as that is some serious power for a pump gas engine (especially considering it's only 9.8:1 CR with aluminum heads...astounding!).

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[dyingbreed]

Travis I'd also like to say "WELCOME!"

db
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Making a living is not the same thing as making a life!!

[WDCreech]

Travis, I'm kind of in agreement with you. For everyone else, I have never had Bruce build an engine for me, but I've purchased parts from him and have talked with him on the phone. Of the parts I bought, the ones that he had in stock, arrived in a reasonable time. The others took a while, but were shipped factory direct. So maybe they had to be made! As far as having Bruce build an engine, in a heartbeat. He is very thorough with his research on everything to do with building a Pontiac engine! The only problem that I had, with Bruce, was the way he would knock other builders, but he has seemed to have mellowed some now.


Bill

[Brian Baker]

They took so long to be drop shipped not because they had to be made, but because they had to be paid for by Bruce first.

He hasn't mellowed. It just seems that way because he has lost most of his outlets from which to spew his venom, and you haven't had the opportunity to hear it.

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[TIAUTOMAN]

Alright heres the deal
its a 400 block ( 3in main conversion)
BME rods
JE pistons (custom dish) / using 72cc heads
heads done by bruce ( CNC )
cam is a comp cam solid roller
Victor Intake ( ported by bruce)
Demon Carb ( 1095, a little big I know but at the time of purchase it was all that was offered)

Now this combo is about 2 years old. I paid for the parts when I could afford to.

I dont have any flow numbers for the cylinder heads, honestly with the engine making 650 hp on the dyno I dont really care. (anyone blame me?)

[Ron]

Welcome aboard Travis. Have fun and enjoy this BB and your new ride. Put the Pontiac Heaven race on your schedule and come and race it. In Phoenix on April 5-6 at Speedworld.

Ron

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[Tom McQueen]

Travis, Im in Mesa, and if you do any friday nite test and tunes at Firebird I also would like to be there. I too have a Pontiac GTO project underway, and early next year hope to be making a few test and tune passes myself. Feel free to E-mail me.

[Bruce Meyer]

Same here Travis. I race at Speedworld on the west side all the time. Feel free to E-mail if you ever go there. Id like to see your car run.

[Brian Baker]

No flow figures? You spent thousands of dollars for CNC ported heads and you didn't get flow figures? Bruce doesn't own a CNC machine. He was having AFR do his CNC port jobs (which AFR does nice work), don't know who he has doing them now (may still be AFR). Without flow figures, how can you be certain you got what you paid for in a CNC porting job?

Still patiently awaiting cam specs.

Dyno figures can be easily fudged. The proof is in the pudding when the engine is placed in the vehicle and run at the track. Since it's already been tuned "optimally" on the dyno, you should have to do nothing more than drop it in and fire it up and go.

Good luck, but I'd still like to hear more.

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[76TA]

Well Mongo...from what I've read, Fulper considers that info private. The customer can't be trusted not to reveal the "secret" numbers of the cam specs or headflow numbers. There are thieves out there just waiting to copy the masters hard work and call it their own. Spies are everywhere! Stop asking or some dangerous looking fellows may pay you a visit! RUN!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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WHO LIVES IN A PINEAPPLE UNDER THE SEA.....

[David Holmberg]

Mongo eagerly waiting for a visit... Mongo only run Trans Am...

[Brian Baker]

Mongo say they better not bring a knife to a gunfight (LOL).

I mean, really. Give me a break! I remember him saying he doesn't advertise flow numbers because customers don't know what to do with them anyway. If I'm paying over $2000 for a CNC ported set of heads, they better damn sight have a flowsheet with them, or the person I was buying them from would find them lodged in his a$$. There isn't a reputable shop in the country that would take that kind of cash from a customer for a set of CNC ported heads and not provide flow numbers.

As for proprietary information goes, Bruce isn't selling a Pro Stock engine. Remember the days not too long ago where Pro Stock was overrun with "mail order" engines? Drivers and crew chiefs were not even allowed to remove the valve covers, if there was a problem they contacted the engine builder. Remember those days? If Travis engine doesn't perform in the car as well is it did on the dyno, maybe he should have Bruce jump on a plane to Phoenix and resolve the problem for him (LOL).

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[David Holmberg]

Good point Brian.
Back in the 80's Pizza John Mafaro bought a Pro Stock M/C Motor from Vance and Hines. John was not able to compete in the class, so Terry got on Johns bike and made what would have been the #1 qualifying pass with it. He got off the bike and told John to "learn to ride it"...

Pizza John later went on to win a National title in Pro Stock...
True Story... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Scott Misus]

Is he related to our own "Guy Pizza?"

/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Guy Mazza]

/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif...I dont get it... /infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Guy "Pizza" Mazza


You bet your "Cuolo" Im Italian

[Cobrabill]

Guy-i thought it was "couli" /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Stupidity should be painfull

[Guy Mazza]

*****! I knew I shoulda called Grandma for the spelling! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

"The mind is a precious thing to taste" Brad Nowell

[Brian Baker]

Still waiting on cam specs...

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[Ron]

Brian.........you are going to wait for a very long time. If you want to get the specs quickly look at a Comp Cam catalog....standard published grinds, no mystery, just BS.

Ron

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[Brian Baker]

I can do that, but which one is in his engine? That's why I'm asking. Since thus far I haven't gotten a response, my guess is that Travis doesn't know the specs. If Bruce didn't supply flow numbers, he probably didn't supply cam specs either (after all, that info is proprietary you know). /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[TIAUTOMAN]

Hey folks,

First for those of you in PHX, I have sent out emails to you ( dont know if you have received them, email seems to be messed up), anyway feel free to email me.

Here we go..........CAM SPECS.

this is right off the cam card

Gross valve lift .609 on both intake and exhasut
Duration at .020 Tappet lift 296( intake)
304 (exh)

These specs are for cam installed at 104 intake
center line

Duration at .050 264(int) 272(exh)
lift .4060. .406
lobe seperation 108

Now what? finger prints? LOL

[Brian Baker]

Nope. Thanks for the info. Let us know how it runs once you get to the track.

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[N2OGTO]

Got a "Fulper-Story" for ya!
I got a catalog form R&R, and ordered some fiberglass stuff from them. Rear bumper was listed as UPS-able,and was drop shipped from VFN.Good so far, so I went to order my bolt on trunk lid (67 GTO) and the catalog said UPS. I called and the lady told me the same thing!!!!!
These things are BIG! I placed my order and guess what?.....It shows up truck freight! No bill, I just was asked to sign for it.
Then my Boss later asks me about a bill that they got for the trunklid (I had it sent to me at work).
I called and asked to speak to Bruce, and I explained that the catalog and the salesperson both said it was UPS-able, and I wouldn't have ordered it if I knew it was over $100 just to ship it..... and then got billed to my employer at that!!
His reply was "What do you want me to do about it?"
Well,after a bit of discussion, I finally got him to split the difference (UPS would have been near that) and get the trucking company to send me half of the bill.Hell, my wife even got on the phone and yelled at him for a while!! I think she sealed the deal!
I told him if this was handled,(He did) I'd buy a front bumper. I got my front bumper.....and it came UPS!

[lugnutt]

I got a set of heads from fulper. I did not receive a flow sheet. I believe he said he sent the heads "out" to get the cnc work. Anyway I took them to a local race machine shop a shelled out another 50.00 (after the 2500.00 sent by money order to Bruce)to have them flowed (which are actually good numbers, over 320) and also to find out what springs came with the heads. To this day over a year later I still have not received the reciepts, specs or anything showing that I pruchased the heads. HMMMMMM, why did I have to pay cash upfront, no receipts???
Other than that the heads are worth the money, they flow well, had good springs and valves. Just did not like the constant put off's. "call me back next month, maybe they will be ready"
Last deal with Fulper.
P.S. Any other sucker that got trapped, I would be happy to fax my flow sheets if you have cnc heads by Fulper!

OF ALL THE THINGS I'VE LOST, I MISS MY MIND THE MOST!
OH YEAH, Kids are cool!

[Jack Peters]

Bruce states it is a custom comp grind with 260 duration and 585 lift.

[Ron]

I'll bet the IRS will never see that receipt either.

Ron

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[TIAUTOMAN]

Thats after .585 after lash.

[TIAUTOMAN]

Someone had said it was a catalogue part number.
I checked it isnt. Anyone wanna see pics of the motor?

tell me how to get them from disks post

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Hummmmmmmmmmm. No reciepts, money sent........
Wonder what he made and paid in Taxes last year? /infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Now that's Funny......... /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

We will match or beat anyone's "Current" catolog price on any Automotive related part. Give us a call. We build and learn from em all, but We "LOVE" Pontiacs!!!
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[SCOTT ESTERLE]

That cam is what Comp considers to be there HI-TORQUE .406 ROLLER. It is a special grind but the specs are in there book.

[tomnt]

I've delt with Bruce for a couple of years. The only problem I've ever had was not getting things when promised. My son has met with him. Says he reminds him alot of me. My son just purchased a 428 shortblock from Bruce. He sent his e-heads purchased from Bruce a couple of years ago, hand ported not cnc. Bruce picked the cam Andy assembled the engine. They dynoed it at Westech, but dyno results, like flow numbers don't mean anything. Cam specs, a degree wheel and dial indicator i can figure them out myself. The engine is in a 1970 Firebird 10 inch continental converter,manual valvebody turbo 400,4.11 12 bolt,cal-trac bars,stock 15x7 front 15x8 alluminum wheels street radials on front 28x12.50x15 M/T ET Street rear.Street car will pass inspection in Texas with tailpipes. Has 3 1/2 inch bullet mufflers and turndowns right now. Has an interior. 8 point roll bar. Fiberglass front bumper and scoop. Took it to River City Raceway a couple of weeks ago. First pass left off idle shifted at 5500 shift light came on about three quater track it startled him (my son) he lifted ran 11.40. Second pass tried to load converter a little bit spun lifted ran 11.11. Third run left off idle 1.69 60ft best ever ran 10.89 at 126 shifting at 5500. Carb is old 850 Holley. All motor no nitrous. Also 11.43 compression with 93 octane Texaco pump gas. Will be going to Little River this weekend, Saturday for the street meet. For you guys from Austin, yes it is that black one that had the e-head 400,its been redone since last year.

[Half-Inch Stud]

sounds like too much gear. Would you consider 3.73?

"11.00/123MPH/1.50 60foot/29.5"/4.10:1/10"/472 #48/Flat HYD/DualQuad/Wenzler/3250Lbs
12.00/112MPH/1.61 60foot/26"/3.31:1/10"/472 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3650Lbs
12.70/103MPH/1.71 60foot/28"/4.10:1/12"/472 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3950Lbs"

[Steve C.]

Hey Tom bring that black '70 Bird down to River City Raceway for some heads up racing /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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'Damn right it's a street car'

[tomnt]

Gears are a little steep, thats why we went with the 428. Rpm,s real quick. Still testing still learning.

[Half-Inch Stud]

OK, 428 crank makes sense then...A good match.

H.I. Stud

"11.00/123MPH/1.50 60foot/29.5"/4.10:1/10"/472 #48/Flat HYD/DualQuad/Wenzler/3250Lbs
12.00/112MPH/1.61 60foot/26"/3.31:1/10"/472 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3650Lbs
12.70/103MPH/1.71 60foot/28"/4.10:1/12"/472 #48/FlatHYD/Q-Jet/Torker/3950Lbs"

[71lemanz]

I just joined the PY board. I have been a guest for the last two years. I found the information about Rock N Roll Engineering and Bruce Fulper very helpful in my dealings with him. My story started back in July 2000 when I saw an ad for him in High Performance Pontiac. Usually, the guys in the magazines will check out and he was close. I live in San Diego, his shop is about an hour and a half up the freeway. I talked to his shop a couple of times and made arrangements to trade two 350 blocks for his standard 400 build-up. I was trying to clean out the garage and get more horsepower. I also agreed to give him a set of 4x heads to use on the motor. He asked for $1500 up front and told me that his turn around was two months. After two months, I had not heard from Fulper so I called him and he got all pissy on the phone telling me his mechanic had quit and that he was doing all the engine work himself and if people like me would stop calling him, he could get the motors done. I said I will take my money and parts back. He then told me he could have the motor done in thiry days. He had the motor done in 40 days. I picked up the motor at his shop and paid him in full. I get around to putting the motor in about March 2001. I start putting fluids into the motor and the freeze plugs leak and JB welded on the plugs is a tag that says warranty voided if removed. I call Fulper up and he won't talk to me, instead his new mechanic Andy runs interference for him. Andy tells me to take the motor to D-Mac in Escondido. I chose not to do this because, under California law you have to give a business three chances to make things right before you can get your money back. I take the motor back to Fulper and he tells me that it will take two weeks for him to get around to it. I go off on the guy and tell him that's B.S. for three grand. Next day I file a complaint with the BBB and the Bureau of Automotive Repair, which is a division the California Dept. of Consumer Affairs. They pull a lot of weight with mechanics shops in the state, because they can shut 'em down. At the end of March 2001, I get a letter from Fulper's attorney John Mannerino telling me that I better come pick-up the motor or Fulper will start charging me storage. After a few trips from the B.A.R. agent Bruce agrees to fix the motor. A couple months go by and I am going to get the motor and I call and Andy tells me the motor is apart. More visits from the B.A.R. and Fulper finally builds me a completely new motor. (I suspect he sold the other motor to someone else.) I go pick up this motor with the B.A.R. agent at his shop, because Fulper won't talk to me. I look at the motor and I ask, Where is the #400? Because usually the number is on the block somewhere. Andy says that Pontiac didn't always have the number on the block. I pointed at the transfer lug and said, "That is not supposed to be on a 400." He assures me that there were exceptions and tells me to check the block number with the sheet of paper on the desk in Fulper's office. It was the sheet from McCarthy's book taped to the desk and the number indicated that it was a 1969 400 block. I ask Andy one more time in front of the agent and he says it is a 400 block. I take the block home and the first thing I do is drop the pan and mic the cylinders. Sure enough the block is a 350. I put paint stripper on the block id number and someone had machined the last number from a nine to a one. The block code shows that in 1969 the numbers are the same except for the last number. Fulper sold me a 350 and tried to put it off as a 400, in front of the organization that could shut him down. I thought damn, this guy takes the cake of all time. More calls to the Bureau and finally I file a small claims in April 2002. We go to court in May 2002 and I agree to keep the motor and Fulper agrees to pay me $2000. That is not much for a year and half of suffering, but the guy actually paid me, short the court costs, of course. STAY AWAY FROM DOING BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY!!! If you have any questions, I have the court judgement, pictures, the B.A.R. procedures etc...The Bulletin Board at P.Y. helped me a lot in letting me know what I was dealing with. By the way SparksGto, I think we met at Hot August Nights 2001 at the parking lot of the Peppermill. Was that you?

[Black 65 GTO]

Wow!

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[Rick Lightfoot]

Another satisfied Flopper customer.

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[TinInjun]

Here is another satisfied customer. Check out his web page.

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[Tom Vaught]

Quote:

"I got a set of heads from fulper. I did not receive a flow sheet. I believe he said he sent the heads "out" to get the cnc work."

Fulper does send out the heads to a Very Good
CNC head porting shop. I have spoken with them in the past. They say they will do heads for Bruce but it is CASH MONEY UP FRONT before they turn the machines on.

Apparently Bruce can get good work done if the
money is on the table before the work starts.

Now the question is: If Bruce"s "Mechanic" is building the engine and the "CNC shop" is porting the heads, etc, what is Bruce doing but taking your money?

Tom V.

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[Rick Lightfoot]

Damn, the horror stories just keep on coming in.

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And may I ask WHY this guy is still in business?

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[Ron]

Spread the word to everyone. This guy is not good.

Ron

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[David Holmberg]

Tom, Someone must attend all the court dates...

[Brian Baker]

Typical...

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[imin1966]

Well 71Lemanz, I just want to say "THANKS" for giving this dumbass Foolper a hard time. It's amazed me as I've read the stuff on this board regarding him. I know for a fact I wouldn't have been able to control myself if I would have had a similer experience...I believe serious harm would have come to him! And of course, I would have to pay the consequences. Hard to believe he's made it this far and hasn't been jumped by at least one of his "customers".

[Forcus]

Wow that's amazing. I recall the magazines promoting his business and engine builds and I see that there is nary a mention of his name [in the magazines] anymore. I will never buy a thing from him, especially considering there are a few well known, good guy Pontiac shops that are decent to deal with and go as far as offering advice daily on several Pontiac boards...

[Brian Baker]

The only ones giving him ink (that he doesn't pay for) nowadays are the POCI club in their monthly newsletter "Smoke Signals". This combined with their recent inclusion of GMC is going to be a severe detriment to the club.

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[Tom Vaught]

Quote:

"Tom, Someone must attend all the court dates... "

Makes all the sense in the world now that you explained that, David! Tom V.

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[Jeff Hamlin]

I wouldn't place blame on POCI. To them he's just a member, and as such can sumitt articals for print. They don't know all about Big Floper and his Rock & Rattle adventures so he can run free for awhile. I am sure that soon enough he will burn that bridge as well.
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[Fulper]

Boy oh boy. Casperson the hypocrite allows defamation of charactor - A ton of rumors - two RRE happy engine owners get slammed - then you sissies back step whe you realize it's not nice to treat new guys that way.

Have fun you bunch of rumor makers. It makes no difference to the real world. We're back in Car Craft. We happily explain our wonderful creations to any realist with an open mind. Your rumors serve to hurt you. Rumors - lies and jealousy.

Ok kiddies - Flow numbers....Do you think you know what they mean - tell us.


Cam specs - Travis - shame on you!! Glad you didn't reveal the entire cam card - and you better not either!

Ron Hildreth - thanks for making my point. Talk is cheap - and these ET slips we have are selling our engines.

Thanks brother.

Casperson - clock's ticking. Parts Place Joe and I are getting together soon.

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