customizedcreations
03-06-2005, 07:18 AM
Quotes from E heads vs K heads
Ray Cox Said
"its sad to say most of the post on this board are the same way everybody is trying to sell somthing
to say not buying round ports is because of needing headers is nothing more than a sales pitch, anybody or any exaust shop can take the center tubes on a set of D port headers and move them 2 inches to fit round ports in less than an hour"
Kev said
"What I think is sad is that most of the posts on the board get off topic very quick often leaving the original poster with little or no information regrding his/her question."
I just thought I would start another post, since Kev is right 100% and so is Ray Cox.
So here goes from me.
I just bought a big diesel truck last year. Knowing a motor is an air pump regardless, everything has quirks. So I joined a Diesel website which will remain blank.
Ok so now to the real reason for this post. Yes I am a vendor. I dont sell parts as a main stay, but once in awhile I clean out my little corner of the world and sell things to make space for new things. I mainly offer services ( chrome, powder coating ect ). I joined this diesel forum to gain some knowledge about this motor. Things where good for the first couple of months. When I started to offer more in depth views then the average mechanic can offer I was imediatlely asked to advertise on the site. I was unsure since my services really wouldnt be used that much ( how often do you see a diesel truck show with everyone popping thier hoods ? ). And being that advertising was $1200 , my reply was I ll think about it. A few days later, someone asked about exhaust crossovers. I had just made a mandrel bent one , but decided to do something different. This fellow needed one. So I offered him mine. I wasnt selling them , but had one part lying around I wouldnt use. Well offering him the part, I was asked not to answer questions like that, unless I was giving the part away for free and paying shipping I thought that was pretty funny. But needless to say, they banned my profile, blocked my email and locked me out of being able to change anything. All I can do is post questions, if I answer a question I get some pretty unreponsive replys about off topic subjects. And I ll add only from certain individuals.
The main reason this happened, is because one of the vendors is the say all do all on that website. He has good parts, and offers some good advice. But the consensous I can see is that its his website basically. I am sure he probably pays some good advertising money to the site. So basically if there is a threat to this , it is stamped out imediately. Such as myself. After talking with a few others , I found this to be true. If your paying for memebership, you should be able to say what you want ( within ethical reason ).
Now to why I wrote this. I see many vendors on this site. I havent seen anything too bad for mud sling contests. But Since I ve been with PY from the very very early days, I know things got so out of hand I left. The forums where all about bashing people, Bruce Fulper and a few others. A topic would start about something and next thing you know its 100 posts long and the last 50 posts having nothing to do with the original question. Things look pretty good and PY has done a great job with everything I see here.
But my main point is, I love part A , you love part B and he loves part C. It all belongs to the same thing, which is pontiacs and why we are here. Our undying love and loyalty to the brand. Its ashame that others are too narrow minded to realize this sometimes.
This isnt to take a poke at anyone, and not to offend anyone. Just that no matter where you go, be it a diesel site, a remote control airplane site, or a pontiac site. No one is ever going to see eye to eye and people are going to push thier loyalty to the last stand. Every vendor has to push what he sells or he wont be a vendor long. Simple. Its just how a vendor pushes his product. This particular diesel vendor , in the above mentioned, in a phone call proceded to tell me about some other vendors. I wasnt too interested in hearing it, but listened. I dont think that is the right way to make your self look better. But hey to each his own. I am glad I havent seen anything like that in this site. And hopefully wont.
To the aluminum head conversation, lets just say, arent we all happy we have not one , not two , not three, but several head options now. Didnt it suck when you best choice was to buy a 20+ year old 6x head and have to work with the likes of that ? Yeah you can make power with it, but its not like being able to buy a brand new high performance part out of the box.
Sorry for being so long winded.....
Ray Cox Said
"its sad to say most of the post on this board are the same way everybody is trying to sell somthing
to say not buying round ports is because of needing headers is nothing more than a sales pitch, anybody or any exaust shop can take the center tubes on a set of D port headers and move them 2 inches to fit round ports in less than an hour"
Kev said
"What I think is sad is that most of the posts on the board get off topic very quick often leaving the original poster with little or no information regrding his/her question."
I just thought I would start another post, since Kev is right 100% and so is Ray Cox.
So here goes from me.
I just bought a big diesel truck last year. Knowing a motor is an air pump regardless, everything has quirks. So I joined a Diesel website which will remain blank.
Ok so now to the real reason for this post. Yes I am a vendor. I dont sell parts as a main stay, but once in awhile I clean out my little corner of the world and sell things to make space for new things. I mainly offer services ( chrome, powder coating ect ). I joined this diesel forum to gain some knowledge about this motor. Things where good for the first couple of months. When I started to offer more in depth views then the average mechanic can offer I was imediatlely asked to advertise on the site. I was unsure since my services really wouldnt be used that much ( how often do you see a diesel truck show with everyone popping thier hoods ? ). And being that advertising was $1200 , my reply was I ll think about it. A few days later, someone asked about exhaust crossovers. I had just made a mandrel bent one , but decided to do something different. This fellow needed one. So I offered him mine. I wasnt selling them , but had one part lying around I wouldnt use. Well offering him the part, I was asked not to answer questions like that, unless I was giving the part away for free and paying shipping I thought that was pretty funny. But needless to say, they banned my profile, blocked my email and locked me out of being able to change anything. All I can do is post questions, if I answer a question I get some pretty unreponsive replys about off topic subjects. And I ll add only from certain individuals.
The main reason this happened, is because one of the vendors is the say all do all on that website. He has good parts, and offers some good advice. But the consensous I can see is that its his website basically. I am sure he probably pays some good advertising money to the site. So basically if there is a threat to this , it is stamped out imediately. Such as myself. After talking with a few others , I found this to be true. If your paying for memebership, you should be able to say what you want ( within ethical reason ).
Now to why I wrote this. I see many vendors on this site. I havent seen anything too bad for mud sling contests. But Since I ve been with PY from the very very early days, I know things got so out of hand I left. The forums where all about bashing people, Bruce Fulper and a few others. A topic would start about something and next thing you know its 100 posts long and the last 50 posts having nothing to do with the original question. Things look pretty good and PY has done a great job with everything I see here.
But my main point is, I love part A , you love part B and he loves part C. It all belongs to the same thing, which is pontiacs and why we are here. Our undying love and loyalty to the brand. Its ashame that others are too narrow minded to realize this sometimes.
This isnt to take a poke at anyone, and not to offend anyone. Just that no matter where you go, be it a diesel site, a remote control airplane site, or a pontiac site. No one is ever going to see eye to eye and people are going to push thier loyalty to the last stand. Every vendor has to push what he sells or he wont be a vendor long. Simple. Its just how a vendor pushes his product. This particular diesel vendor , in the above mentioned, in a phone call proceded to tell me about some other vendors. I wasnt too interested in hearing it, but listened. I dont think that is the right way to make your self look better. But hey to each his own. I am glad I havent seen anything like that in this site. And hopefully wont.
To the aluminum head conversation, lets just say, arent we all happy we have not one , not two , not three, but several head options now. Didnt it suck when you best choice was to buy a 20+ year old 6x head and have to work with the likes of that ? Yeah you can make power with it, but its not like being able to buy a brand new high performance part out of the box.
Sorry for being so long winded.....