Help with a Crook in Georgia - Ethan Allison (warriorbirds@yahoo.com) [Archive] - PY Online Forums

RAJ7395

01-29-2006, 01:48 PM

Hi guys!

Here's the deal. I purchased an NOS wing on E-bay (E-bay item# 4597242163) for $1281 on Dec18. I sent a Money order for $1320 (have reciept) on December 19th. The seller marked payment recieved Dec25. Item took three weeks for wing to arrive and turned out to be a cheap aftermarket piece valued at $200. I contacted seller who said it was real. I then took wing to Pontiac dealer who confirmend wing was not real which confirmed that the add was fraudulent. I contacted the seller and then sent wing back via UPS Tracking number 1Z610x020343270097. UPS says the package was delivered on Jan 19. I tried to contact seller after return but no reply thru e-mail or phone. One time when I called, they picked up then hung up the phone. The phone wasn't hung up all the way. Heard them talking and say that they had no intention of refunding money. Item is over $300 which if no refund is given is a felony in Illinois. Will press legal action if required. My only recourse is to scare him into refunding the money or actually get him in court and sue him in the state of Georgia. Any lawyers in Georgia??

Here's the contact info should someone take it upon themselves to voice their opinion to the seller.

Ethan Allision
14 Bramblewood PL SW
CArtersville GA 30120
Phone (770)500-7934
e-mail: [email protected]
e-bay name firebirdsof69

PS I just looked at his feedback and he tried to the same thing with another e-bayer with the username 428RA4

firebirdcrazy1959

01-29-2006, 02:20 PM

i just called and left a message.hope it helps.

Mantra

01-29-2006, 02:35 PM

man that pisses me!!!!!

I feel like calling, but I'll just scream and yell!!

fastgto

01-29-2006, 03:00 PM

Keep us posted to what this huge pile of dung does.

RAJ7395

01-29-2006, 07:40 PM

What really pisses me off is that this guy doesn't care that he screwed me and that he's gone so far as to screw another Pontiac guy in the exact same way!! He's obviously feeling comfortable with this practice and unless stopped will continue.

As for myself, I've given away thousands of dollars in free parts (400's TH400, subframes, misc parts) to guys to help their projects and expected nothing in return. When I sell something and there's a problem, I immediately make it right. I'd rather lose money and make a friend than take money and have anyone pissed off at me. If you need something, then ask and I'll do my best to find it.

Anyways, thanks for your support!! Time to go and spend some time quality time with the kids to take my mind off of this a-hole. I'll keep everyone updated on what happens.

jstackem

01-29-2006, 08:14 PM

I'd be making a call to the Georgia Attorney General's office on Monday morning. This type of scam is worse than those Romainian bastards.

Hitman

01-29-2006, 08:32 PM

I'll give him a call in the morning. Cartersville is north of me about a hour and a half. There are some good folks up there and some backwoods folks as well as it is in the foothills of the mountains going into tennesse. I will wait to call him if you want to email some specifics about the deal so I know what I am talking about when he wants to argue with me. It's the least I can do.

BoinaVerde

01-29-2006, 08:42 PM

Sorry to hear about this, I'd be pissed to. My advice, don't sweat it, you'll get your money back. Start keeping a log of all the time you waste as well as any additional expenses you incur in trying to get your money back. Call the courthouse in Cartersville and find out what the process is filing a small claims suit. I don't know where you live, but if you can file everything though the mail I would go this route. If you have to file in person, you might want to contact a few local attorneys there and try to find one to file a suit for you. Once you determine which course of action is best for you, email Mr. @$$h0le and lay out everything for him step by step. Tell him the choice is his, either refund your money now or refund your money and all your expenses later. No sense in kicking yourself over this or letting it get to you. Everyone gets ripped off at some point in their life, just the law of averages there. Just consider yourself fortunate in that you know exactly who ripped you off and you have a recourse for getting your money back. It sucks a bit, but not nearly as much as being ripped off by someone and not having a clue as to their identity. Good luck and keep us posted.

tacentral7081

01-29-2006, 09:24 PM

That's all we need is another crook from Georgia screwing people over, I live about a hour from Cartersville, I have never heard of him. We have a small group of Pointiac guys in the metro Atlanta area and he's not in it. But I will keep a look out at the upcoming shows and spread the news. But I hate to to tell you your in a pissing contest with this guy Georgia law will probably not even recognize a claim on what would be considerd a used part. I have sold parts for years in Georgia and have heard of such a clause in the law, never used it but have heard of it. Good luck! I will haul to Cartersville if you wanna get go open a can of "WHOOP ASS" on him.

fastgto

01-29-2006, 09:25 PM

Have Hitman will travel. Nice to see were stick`in togeather. Can you imagine 20yrs ago. How the hell could we let people know of rip off dung piles like this guy. The internet is Dam good at informing people of scumbags. Keep us posted.

BOB VIDAN

01-29-2006, 10:46 PM

I think it was less then 20 years ago that Al Gore invented the internet? The guy needs a small bat taken at his knees.

vinnyragu

01-29-2006, 11:15 PM

I hope you contacted EBAY. But good luck there.

tajunkman

01-30-2006, 02:00 PM

RAJ7395

01-30-2006, 04:57 PM

Hi guys. Yes- I filed a dispute with e-bay but they won't do anything about it. They got their money and because I didn't opt for additional buyer protection or paid for the transaction with Pay-Pal they could care less. E-bay's response was to kindly inform me to contact my local police department and file a report. Then they suggested that I go to www.ifccfbi.gov but the site never comes up. Two days later e-bay sent me a survey and asked how they did. Needless to say, they got an earfull.

The main reason that I posted this is to try and stop someone else from getting screwed (and to make life a little less comfortable for the seller). I too am greatfull that PY has provided this site and that we can use it to warn others about who the lowlife scum is and where they live.

I also turned this issue into squaretrade and they are mediating on my behalf. In the last correspondance from the seller to the mediator (this morning), the seller indicates that he never received the wing from UPS. I know that this is BS because UPS's website says it was delivered on Jan19th. To cover all my bases, I've filed a missing package report with UPS. The UPS claims rep said that UPS has 8 days to find the or they would issue a claim. To get the claim approved, I have to give them proof that the wing is worth the $1300 I insured it for. I've learned first hand that UPS will do anything and everything in their power to avoid paying claims so I'm sure I'm in for a fight with them as well.

Believe me. If I didn't have a wife and kids, I'd be returning from Georgia with a sore stinky foot and my money buy now.

Rob Jackson

jjscerbo

01-30-2006, 05:10 PM

You may want to look into the idea of mail fraud. The USPS has lot of of high payed inspectors that would love something to do. You do have to prove intent to defraud..But in the long run attorneys fees @ $250 per hour gets expencive real quick. May not be worth it.

You may have to chock it up as a loss . As a recommendation..Always use a charge card for the purchase and make sure you get an invoice from the seller. Also document shipping via tracking numbers.

Definatley bad Karma for that guy!!

Wick

01-30-2006, 05:16 PM

What if you bid $10k on it but retract with 10 seconds to go everytime he list something?

jjscerbo

01-30-2006, 05:30 PM

I don't think you can retract that soon before auction ends. Good idea though.

Looks like he is out of stuff anyway..more than likely will come back out under another name.

One thing that is odd...he has been a seller for awhile with alot of good feedback... wonder why now the dishonesty? He did the same thing to another guy about some grills. and another that he paid a refund to.

RAJ7395..not to take sides, but what made you think that the item was a repro? Is there any part numbers stamped on it? Having worked in a Pontiac service department, I know first hand how hard it is to find a parts counter guy that remembers the old stuff, let alone the fact that he may have any old catalogs to verify the items authenticity.

Joe

RAJ7395

01-30-2006, 05:56 PM

Just so happens that the service manager of the local Pontiac dealership is also a member of the local Pontiac club. One of the clubs members has a bone stock 1969 TA and the service manager has worked on it many times. Additionally, my mechanic is an ex-pontiac mechanic who now owns his own shop and was the president of the local pontiac club for many years. Both guys looked at the wing and immediately said that it was a fake. Here's why.

1) The original wing end tips sit about 1/8" above the rear quarters with the deck lid closed. This one sat over 1" above the quarters

2) The bolt holes in the pedastals didn't line up with the holes in the wing so you couldn't physically bolt it together

3) The original wing tips had a mitered end pockets for the rubber end pads to glue into. This one had rounded pockets and would not accept the end pads

4) The original wing was made like a surf board with solid foam inside and fiberglass hard shell. This one was hollow.

5) If you look at an original wing from the back, the wing bowed up slightly in the middle to follow the body lines. This wing was flat as a board alll the way across.

6) No part number or GM stickers anywhere to be found

7) Wing had lots and lots of air bubbles in all the leading edges of the fiberglass. Very very bad job!!

jjscerbo

01-30-2006, 06:16 PM

What???? No NASA engineers?? LOL

Anyway..sounds like the jury has spoken..Again sorry to see you or anyone get burned..I have bought and sold on Ebay for over 10 years and only had problems three times. Two with sellers and one buyer that bought an item that was destroyed durring shipment to him. Rather then file for damages through UPS (That were insured for the amount paid for) He promptly shipped them back (Uninsured) leaving no recource to file a claim. He wanted me to refund him anyway for a part that was destroyed and had NO chance for resale. I refused.

The lesson he learned was that he should have reported any damages upon reciept and keep comminications open with me to get him compensated for his expence and the item. He did try to cancel his payment through PayPal, but was denied because he failed to persue UPS as he should have.

6tee7goat

01-30-2006, 07:31 PM

I don't see why UPS wouldn't pay you the claim if it doesn't turn up. The proof you need is a receipt for the amount you purchased the merchandise for. Which of course is the copy of the money order you had sent as well as any e-mail invoices or receipts showing the amount due and paid. The only problem is they are usually pretty diligent about finding out where an expensive package went so hopefully the seller continues to plead the 5th. It won't take care of the seller but at least you may re-coup your losses.

intense

01-30-2006, 08:08 PM

You know i just had this happen on ebay and also paid with a money order , but ebay ask me to fax them a copy of the money order ....long story short i got my money back it was $200.00 but it took 3 months ..

RAJ7395

01-30-2006, 09:10 PM

Did E-bay actually refund your money??

intense

01-30-2006, 10:04 PM

yes they did .. it took months. but they put it in my pay pal account !! i paid by money order when i bought the item ..

allioop108

02-01-2006, 07:06 PM

ebay wont do anything, they dont care as long as they got their money. Your best bet is to try and get Bill *tacentral* to make a phone call. That alone might do the trick. When he starts yelling its scary.

I found this out not to long ago in 2 different incidents. In one I paid for an item that was never delivered (why I hate buying from new sellers). When I went to contact ebay I discovered how difficult it was to find the links to complain. That there told me that they are not out to protect you should you become a victim of fraud. I did eventually get a refund through them but I will never have confidence in what they can do for me.

In the second incident apparently the seller violated ebays terms with his auction. Of course ebay pulled the auction and notified me but only after the auction came to an end. Being the fast payer that I am I had sent payment via paypal minutes after the auction ended, ebays notice came a day or two later. Now I had already shelled out about $300 on this auction. Lucky for me the seller was an honest person. He notified me that he would be a bit late with delivery and then notified me when the item was delivered and afterwards to make sure I was happy. I could have really been screwed since ebay notice said that I wouldn't be protected since they (ebay) pulled the auction. Of course I gave them a piece of my mind the way they pulled an auction and notified me after the fact and they never replied or apologized. So I just have to say buyers beware, check feedback, contact seller (not that that means much, they always answer till they got your money then disappear) and with cars or car parts see if someone on the message board is close enough to the seller to see the product and report back to you.

Anyway sorry you got burned and hopefully you get your refund. I can't stand dishonest people.

Allen
[email protected]

RAJ7395

02-02-2006, 11:28 PM

Looks like the crook has struck again!!

69 Custom S Vert

02-03-2006, 11:30 AM

RAJ

Is this matter still unresolved? I'm an attorney in Alabama. May not be able to do much, but I'm willing to try. This ones on me. Send me a PM with your contact info so we can talk.

RAJ7395

02-03-2006, 01:46 PM

Here's the latest.

No sir the matter has not been resolved. I sent the wing back to the seller UPS Tracking number 1Z610x020343270097 and UPS says that it was delivered on January 19th. The seller says that she/he never received the package and they refuse to give me a refund unless they receive it.

They suggested that I file a claim with UPS to get my money back from them.

I filed a missing package claim with UPS and they sent the original driver out to find the package. The driver was supposed to have the seller sign a form stating that they did not receive the package. Once that happens, UPS will start the claims process. Even though my package was insured for $1300, I will have to produce proof that the wing was worth $1300 for UPS to consider paying it. UPS will then review my claim and may or may not pay it.
UPS has chosen not to pay 2 other legitimate claims I've had in the past. Bastards!!

This is what I believe happened. The seller needed money for christmas and so they sold the crappy aftermarket wing as an NOS piece. I bought it. They took my money, spent it, got caught selling crap, couldn't afford to refund my money, received the wing and hid it. UPS gets the blame, they get the money and the wing back. I'm waiting to see if the seller tries to sell the wing again.

Hard-Timess

02-06-2006, 01:42 AM

The legal term is "theft by deception" and I just had the same thing happen to me on eBay and paid via PayPal. Neither will do anything about the seller or assist in resolution.

_____________________________________________

Two people are involved, Gail and Dan McCarthy and they use "superdutyfirebirds" and "ramairsix" on eBay.

Gail Suzanne & Dan McCarthy, 253-735-8679 ([email protected])
1320 26th Street NW, #10
Auburn WA 98001

NOTE: I have decided to post this as a seperate thread to ensure
the sellers are identified and other Pontiac folk do not experiene
this situation.

fastgto

02-07-2006, 02:05 PM

See ebay schisters for more on above post.

RAJ7395

02-07-2006, 04:11 PM

Looks like the crook FUQUED another E-bayer. That makes 4 in a row and 5 total. E-bay does nothing and the world goes round.

Man what an eye openning experience this is!!!

THEGTOCHISM

02-11-2006, 09:46 PM

UPS DENIED MY CLAIM ON A DAMAGED PACKAGE. SAID IT WASN'T WRAPPED PROPERLY. YOU CAN APPEAL THEIR FINDING. I DID AND THEY PAID MY CLAIM FOR THE DAMAGED REAR WING. ALL I NEEDED WAS A COPY OF MY E-BAY SALE PAGE ,SHOWING THE ITEM ,IT'S NUMBER, AND THE SELLING PRICE.

se428bandit

02-11-2006, 11:36 PM

quick67bird

02-16-2006, 05:18 PM

I worked for UPS years ago in the claims department and we were instructed to always refuse the first claim. If the claim was disputed then we would look at the size of the customer and refuse it again if they were not very big. If the person was persistant then we would pay the claim. If you insured the part for $1500 then that is what the value is. To prove the value all you have to do is show them the auction and an invoice or the money order for payment. If UPS still refuses you can request mediation.

Robert

tallyhoe

02-18-2006, 07:55 AM

I cant believe people kept buying from him after looking at his feedback. What are people just not paying attention or what....

428RA4

03-07-2006, 04:37 PM

I as well have been burned by this guy. I bought a set of 69 Firebird grills that were repops and was told they were NOS. This pile of SH*T need to be taken down and I will do my very best to end his dealings on e-bay. Please help me and inform all of his folks that bid on any new auctions that this guy is a FRAUD!

WARNING FRAUD!

send Vince to bust his knees!

mo

428RA4

03-07-2006, 04:39 PM

We need to take this guy out of the picture and do it NOW!

GOAT72

03-07-2006, 08:52 PM

We need to take this guy out of the picture and do it NOW!

I can have some of my scambaitin' pals take him out, but that's all I can tell you. I need his email address and give me an item, or items, he's selling.
Then give them 2-3 days.

428RA4

03-08-2006, 04:31 PM

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=firebirdsof69

Here is his ebay user name and e-mail link.,

thanks

mike

Hitman

03-08-2006, 09:35 PM

Like TA central said there are a group a pontiac people here that we all know each other here in GA and i never heard of this guy either and i'm only 15 mins from carterville,maybe i'll call this guy and see if he has any pontiac item for sale and make a trip up there to see this crook.

I'll ride with you. But my record has been clean for so long. Well, all good things must come to an end.

I like how the jacka$$ replies that the guy tried to send back repro parts for a refund.

Sad but true, as long as ebay gets paid they will do nothing. I think someone there should monitor feedback and after so many you should either be suspended or put under probation. Then block thier IP so they cannot use another name.

heimycvg

03-08-2006, 11:27 PM

Man I feel for you! I traveled 1200 miles to buy a custome 74 lemans conv.in Florida. Add said runs good, top available. Saw the pics I thought "boy you got a rare find here". Got to FL. only to find engine frozen (350) no tranny and no custome top. Interior was suppused to be white..under the 1/4 inch of green mold maybe it was. Kid selling the car said "I'll ruin your e-bay rep if you don't pay me" Told him to stick the car in his "lower unit".. (I wasen't that nice) and left . Never heard from him again. I have seen the same place put auctions under other ID's BEWARE of "courtesytowing" in Altomonte Springs FL. on e-bay. On the other hand found a nice car a 73 GP on ebay and have been happy ever since...LONG STORY SHORT.. Those who misrepresent on e-bay should have their KNEES REMOVED with a blunt instrument...tHX John H cincy Oh.

Junkyard Dog

03-09-2006, 07:35 PM

The original poster has not posted here in over a month. Is this status unchanged?

428RA4

03-10-2006, 03:00 PM

Get a hold of him yourself!

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=wolfnard

69 Custom S Vert

03-10-2006, 05:16 PM

428RA4

what's the status of your claim with UPS

428RA4

03-10-2006, 05:47 PM

I don't have a UPS claim. I have an A-hole that won't refund my money for bogus repop parts.

I'm taking this dick down!

mo

428RA4

05-10-2006, 05:09 PM

Items for Sale by birdwarriors ( 1 )

THIS ASSHOLE IS NOW IN BUSINESS UNDER THIS NAME.

RAJ7395

05-10-2006, 10:48 PM

Sorry for not posting an update to this thread. When I think of this whole deal, I still get so pissed off that I just want to do something unethical. Therefore, I try to put it out of my mind.

Yes, I am wolfnard from e-bay.

UPDATE:

I finally received a refund of $1300 from UPS for the POS wing that was "lost" in shipping. UPS did not refund the shipping cost or the insurance. When it all boils down, I got screwed on shipping with insurance to my house and back to GA.

I had to give UPS copies of the auction, my money order, and the shipping receipts before they would start an investigation into my claim. UPS then sent the driver out to find the box I had to wait three weeks for the investigation to be completed. UPS never contacted me about the status of my claim so I had to call and harass them for an update. They then had me fax everything I had to a different number in UPS and told me to wait until I heard back from the claim payment people. The whole thing took quite a while but I did get the $1300 insured value minus the shipping charges and shipping insurance and they did took three months to get all the paper work done.

I later learned that the UPS driver himself might is responsible for the lost package and had to pay the claim out of his check. I have no way to confirm this but if so that really really pisses me off because I know the crook got the wing back and claimed it never showed up to get out of refunding me my money.

Rob Jackson

steveK

05-11-2006, 07:19 AM

Raj, just saw and read this whole thing , musta had my head in the sand, but glad at least you got some money back. Whatta crook,and I agree with your logic on him using your money over Xmas. Just steams me that folks sink that low too. i had problem with Ebay as well once on a crook. They need to police themselves a little better and stop taking the "side-lines" attitude when it comes to problems. One day folks may just smaten up, unite and hit the with a class action on their inactivity on transaction matters.