Watch out for this guy - Martin Robertson (PY Member UR2L8)

[DiamondJim]

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=562328 -Jim

[DiamondJim]

Here he is on Craigslist http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/pts/699259532.html

[steve v]

Jim,
If your payment with paypal was thru your credit card I would have the charges disputed by the card issuer & they will give you a full refund. Most CC co's are on the consumers side & will go to bat for you. You do have a time limit to dispute a charge, usually 60-90 days.
Hope all works out for you.

[DiamondJim]

Unfortunately a Mod at PY has decided to close the thread in the Performance parts for sale area(the scene of the crime) where this THIEF robbed me(Martin Robertson 505-263-9900). What is up with that? Unless he is dead there is no excuse. I paid him 585.00 bucks and was only able to recover from Paypal 72 dollars, 6 weeks later. Very frustrating. I hope this NEVER happens to anyone else here. -Jim

[DiamondJim]

Jim,
If your payment with paypal was thru your credit card I would have the charges disputed by the card issuer & they will give you a full refund. Most CC co's are on the consumers side & will go to bat for you. You do have a time limit to dispute a charge, usually 60-90 days.
Hope all works out for you.

Steve, I had Paypal linked first to a Credit Card and then directly to my checking account. A few months ago i got an e-mail that I needed to renew the credit card link and I just never got around to it. Unfortuanately the money came straight from my checking. Everthing from here on will be on a CC. I like to trust people and you think coming on here as a part of the Pontiac community you could do that, but... I was wrong. -Jim

[b-man]

Unfortunately a Mod at PY has decided to close the thread in the Performance parts for sale area(the scene of the crime) where this THIEF robbed me(Martin Robertson 505-263-9900). What is up with that? Jim,

What's up is you now have a thread going on here in the business forums to air your grievance, the classified forums are not the place for that.

Your thread here is still linked to the thread I closed in the classifieds so there's still plenty of info there for reference. There is no need for further comments to be posted on the closed classified ad thread or to carry this on in two different threads.

Sorry to see you having problems with this seller, hoping everything eventually works out for you.

Bart - PY Moderator

[cooke]

Quote: I like to trust people and you think coming on here as a part of the Pontiac community you could do that, but... I was wrong. -Jim

Unfortunetly you were. I was too. I've been burnt by two or three guys on here. Nothing as severe as your situation; but WAY misrepresented parts that I bought from them. One guy from Canada took several weeks to ship me my wrong colored seat belts....These people are scum and will have an opportunity to answer for their actions some day and won't be able to hide behind their "caller I.D.". In the meantime; it will have to be an expensive learning experience....very sorry.

[DiamondJim]

Jim,

What's up is you now have a thread going on here in the business forums to air your grievance, the classified forums are not the place for that.

Your thread here is still linked to the thread I closed in the classifieds so there's still plenty of info there for reference. There is no need for further comments to be posted on the closed classified ad thread or to carry this on in two different threads.

Sorry to see you having problems with this seller, hoping everything eventually works out for you.

Bart - PY Moderator

Bart, how about doing me a favor then and post a link at the end of the thread in the classified's to this thread. The guy apparently had a lot of stuff he was selling, the more people that know the less of a chance someone else gets robbed! -Jim

[b-man]

Bart, how about doing me a favor then and post a link at the end of the thread in the classified's to this thread. The guy apparently had a lot of stuff he was selling, the more people that know the less of a chance someone else gets robbed! -JimNo problem, done.

[Peter Serio]

Please explain how you first sent the guy $585 thru paypal & you got a refund from paypal for only $72, what's up with that!?

Did you file a claim with paypal stating item not received?

[grand 71]

Please explain how you first sent the guy $585 thru paypal & you got a refund from paypal for only $72, what's up with that!?

Did you file a claim with paypal stating item not received?

I had the same thing happen to me a couple years back. I purchased an item using paypal with my credit card for $300.00 and never received item. I filed a claim with paypal and they only could recover $6.00 and change!! I then contacted my C.C. company and they got me the full amount! WHAT'S UP WITH THAT!!! It looks to me like paypal runs it's own scams!! I was then notified by paypal informing me they had a claims dept. that I should use when I don't receive an item. Naturally it was sent in an e-mail I could not respond back informing them I had already done that for a $6.00 and change refund!

[DiamondJim]

Please explain how you first sent the guy $585 thru paypal & you got a refund from paypal for only $72, what's up with that!?

Did you file a claim with paypal stating item not received?

I filed a claim with paypal, stating item not recieved, for the full amount (585.00), and won the case because he did not answer the complaint. Paypal was only able to refund $72 because the rest of the money was gone from his Paypal account. According to Paypal they plan to take legal action to collect the rest. I doubt if I will ever see it. -Jim

[DiamondJim]

More info on the guy that took my money(Martin Robertson) http://racingsouthwest.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=60965&hl=

[xgoater]

Jim,

Have you thought about filing a claim in small claim court? I'm not familiar with Georgia law, but most states are similar. You don't need an attorney, the claim form is relatively simple, and the filing fees are nominal. Once it's filed, he or his attorney need to appear in court. If they don't, you automatically get judgment in favor of you. With a judgment in hand, you can then get a legal garnishment on his wages. It's not much more work than you have already expended, but it would be worth it, IMO.

I had a problem with a damaged part I received and I screwed around with the guy for two months. I finally told him I was going to file small claims (no bluff, I was!) and he could spend 10 times more on an attorney or a plane ticket to appear in court. Golly, things got settled within a week. I was almost disappointed because I was looking forward to him telling the judge the same garbage he had been giving me.

These type of cases are exactly what small claims court is designed for. Anyway, just offering an option for you. For what it's worth............

Terry

[Cliff R]

Jim, I had a very similiar situation with buying some parts. Pay Pal was USELESS, the only recourse I had was through my credit card company.

I did contact my local Sheriff's office, and filed charges against the guy. Which they pursued until my Credit Card company reimbursed me for the losses. I still don't understand why they dropped the charges just because my Credit Card company stepped up. Didn't a crime still take place?

Plenty of guys out there doing this sort of thing. My purchase was through E-Bay. So I logged on to his other auctions and made high bids on them so I won them, then REFUSED to pay for the items until my first purchase was delivered. This also allowed me to post NEGATIVE feedback.

That probably wasn't the "politically" correct thing to do, but at least I knocked his feedback rating down to 78 percent in short order, and he ended up making his feedback "private", then ditching the account all together......Cliff

[DiamondJim]

Jim,

Have you thought about filing a claim in small claim court? I'm not familiar with Georgia law, but most states are similar. You don't need an attorney, the claim form is relatively simple, and the filing fees are nominal. Once it's filed, he or his attorney need to appear in court. If they don't, you automatically get judgment in favor of you. With a judgment in hand, you can then get a legal garnishment on his wages. It's not much more work than you have already expended, but it would be worth it, IMO.

I had a problem with a damaged part I received and I screwed around with the guy for two months. I finally told him I was going to file small claims (no bluff, I was!) and he could spend 10 times more on an attorney or a plane ticket to appear in court. Golly, things got settled within a week. I was almost disappointed because I was looking forward to him telling the judge the same garbage he had been giving me.

These type of cases are exactly what small claims court is designed for. Anyway, just offering an option for you. For what it's worth............

Terry
If I could find out if this guy has a real job I might file in magistrate court here, I am not sure if a judgement here would allow me to garnish his pay in New Mexico? If he has a bank account I could get a FiFa and go against that if he was here. FWIW, I have several rental properties and have used magistrate court in the past. If a deadbeat hides it is very difficult to serve and even harder to collect. Anyone here in the FBI? Any Federal laws involved/violated? 500.00 bucks enough to go after this bum? Thanks -Jim

[DiamondJim]

Jim, I had a very similiar situation with buying some parts. Pay Pal was USELESS, the only recourse I had was through my credit card company.

I did contact my local Sheriff's office, and filed charges against the guy. Which they pursued until my Credit Card company reimbursed me for the losses. I still don't understand why they dropped the charges just because my Credit Card company stepped up. Didn't a crime still take place?

Plenty of guys out there doing this sort of thing. My purchase was through E-Bay. So I logged on to his other auctions and made high bids on them so I won them, then REFUSED to pay for the items until my first purchase was delivered. This also allowed me to post NEGATIVE feedback.

That probably wasn't the "politically" correct thing to do, but at least I knocked his feedback rating down to 78 percent in short order, and he ended up making his feedback "private", then ditching the account all together......Cliff
Thanks Cliff. I wish I had used a cc and could charge back. I will call the local sheriff and see what he says. I also plan to check with the FBI. -Jim

[Cammer-6]

Any transaction that done over the internet and or US mail is subject to the guidelines of mail fraud.
Go to your local post office and ask for the postmaster. Explain this to him and ask for the form. The post office will investigate and pursue and it doesnt cost you a dime.

[69*Goat]

Hey Jim:

That stuff that was posted over on Racing southwest has a myspace page on it. Is that the turd? If so, maybe someone you know could do a little page manipulation to have the word THIEF, or A$$WiPE written across it. :jumping:

[DiamondJim]

Hey Jim:

That stuff that was posted over on Racing southwest has a myspace page on it. Is that the turd? If so, maybe someone you know could do a little page manipulation to have the word THIEF, or A$$WiPE written across it. :jumping:
I am willing to take all legal steps to recover my money, I do have a few fantasies I can't talk about tho-LOL. -Jim

[DiamondJim]

Legal steps taken, Paypal filing also. Wish me luck. -Jim

[fastgto]

I wish you luck, I hate those filthy scumbag P.O.S.

[DiamondJim]

We need a better system, lessons need to be taught that apparently were not given when these people were growing up. I was taught to treat people the way I want to be treated. The old ways seem to be dying off. It is a shame. -jim

[speedshopmike]

welcome to Earth, circa 2008, jim.
integrity is no longer taught and shouldn't be assumed.
the internet's a great place to commit fraud for a million reasons, primarily a near total lack of law enforcement.
as for paypal, nobody should ever use it for more then a couple hundred bucks in my opinion, or whatever amount you can afford to flat lose.

[DiamondJim]

welcome to Earth, circa 2008, jim.
integrity is no longer taught and shouldn't be assumed.
the internet's a great place to commit fraud for a million reasons, primarily a near total lack of law enforcement.
as for paypal, nobody should ever use it for more then a couple hundred bucks in my opinion, or whatever amount you can afford to flat lose.

You are probably right but I still want to be able to trust people. UR2L8(Martin) had many posts here going back for several years, I researched him before I sent him money. If everyone would post deadbeats here http://www.ripoffreport.com/ it might be a start to stopping this crap. I also believe it will come back to him multipled in the end. -Jim

[440GP69]

Sorry to hear that this hasn't been fixed!, SOB! I also believe in a Deadbeat sticky but if some people were to post some of the absolute JUNK parts they Spent a LOT of money buying from "RESPECTABLE" people on here it would start ww3!lol in any respect i wish you luck!, i also bought some heads for a lot of $ and had to finish the port work now they are getting 1000$ worth of rebuild to get them usable for racing:rolleyes:

[speedshopmike]

jim, everyone'd like to be able to trust folks.
sadly, as in everything else in life, it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the pie.
i'd never heard of the site you mentioned but appreciate knowing about it; that's a good resource for dirtbag checking.
wish you luck in fixing your issues.
-mike

[chuckies76ta]

We need a better system, lessons need to be taught that apparently were not given when these people were growing up. I was taught to treat people the way I want to be treated. The old ways seem to be dying off. It is a shame. -jim

Your a stand up guy Jim.. I almost bought a plane ticket to go visit what was going to be a $500 lost. I told the guy on the phone, He really should think about what he was doing..Money sent back..

Charles

[DiamondJim]

You know I was thinking....LOL. What would keep an illegal from coming here and pulling a scam like this as a way to make a living..... hmmm. False name, false paypal/address. Catch these crooks and make them work on the roads, like Cool-Hand Luke. Bring them here to Georgia, I have a buddy that is a Sheriff, he might find them a job-LOL. -Jim

[1967Clone]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=194990134

A picture of the scumbag,

http://a940.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/50/l_3854e8fac1af801776bd55637d493e83.jpg

He owns a friggin nail salon,
http://cogpubbkp.cabq.gov/envhealth/Details.asp?ID=FA0056342

Business: NAIL MAGIC Owner: MARTIN L ROBERTSON
621 ORTIZ DR NE 621 ORTIZ DR
ALBUQUERQUE, NM 87108 ALBUQUERQUE, NM 87108
(505) 263-9900

A Dodge post
http://www.dodgeforum.com/archive/threads/2004-stratus-r-t-parts-car-tons-of-partsfor-sale-573439-1.html

[69*Goat]

Hey Jim......

Any update on your dilema?

We would all like to see this dirty/scumbag get what is coming.