Andy Mitchell & Outlaw Racing Engines

[Johnny406]

It pains me to write this but I bought a set of heads from Andy Mitchell on Ebay back in June. I paid for them after having a couple of nice long chats with him on the phone.

Bottom line, last time I heard from him was September 2nd. He has not returned phone calls, e-mails (both through e-bay and just e-mail), and paypal requests.

Yes, stupid me for waiting so long to take action. That is my fault for trusting him and his reputation. I wanted him to do a little additional port work/cleanup on the heads and was going to pay him the difference and he agreed.

Stupid me for saying I wasn't in a big hury and was still undecided on what cam I was going to go with (flat tappet or roller). We were even discussing trading my Wenzlers for rotating assy and valvetrain parts.

I was figuring something happened (who knows, went back to the UK or something). Well, he has had the time to list more stuff on Ebay to include a car but not the time to respond to his customers.

Yes I have reported this to both Ebay and paypal and I am about to report him on www.ic3.gov (http://www.ic3.gov), the bbb, and open a local complaint with my police dept and his.

Andy Mitchell, if you read this I think you will have to admit that I have been more than fair and patient with you on this. I do not believe you intended go out and rip me off, but I now have no doubt that you have no intentions to honor your commitment. You did leave me positive feedback and I really enjoyed our chats, however, you have not returned several attempts from me to contact you and you have not responded to my two paypal money requests. I find this most unfortunate to air dirty laundry publically

Mr. Mitchell, right now I suspect you are willingly commiting fraud against me and your recent ebay feedback further enforces that belief. Mr. Mitchell, I am one stuborn, hard headed, and principle based man. I ignorantly trusted you in good faith. I accept my responsibility for that. If you don't refund the $800.00 I paid you in June, I will press charges against you and I will fly out to California (Govt space available) this spring while I am on retirement leave from the Army to testify against you and take you to small claims court.

Mr. Mitchell and Outlaw Racing CA, I John Hudson give you my word that I will follow through with this. I accept this may cost me a lot more money than the $800.00 you have of mine but this is a principle and integrity issue, not just a money issue now. I won't blow this off, I absolutely promise you that.

If you refund my money, I will gladly come back to this post and state this issue is closed.

-John Hudson

[Johnny406]

This is a cut & paste from a post I did earlier on PZ.

If you're a victim of fraud, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!

"This is very sad and frusterating. I am at fault for being a bit ignorant and naive.

All I can say is that I will fight like hell over this, I am not one that takes getting screwed over well. Sometimes stuff happens and mistakes are made. That is one thing but to steal is another. This is bad not only for the Pontiac community, but our entire hobbyist community.

For those of us that have been ripped off by guys like him, or tri-y headder builders, or custom valve cover makers etc, we need to take action. Spreading the word on these forums is not enough. Yes, you can tarnish a guys reputation (actually they did it to themselves) but unless you open criminal proceedings and official complaints, these people and others like them will continue to steal from us. We worked hard and earned our money, we gave them the chance to earn our money and they stole it. That is absolute crap and unacceptable.

For those of us that have been duped, take real action....PLEASE... You can prevent someone else from getting ripped off and perhaps get these guys incarcerated. Here are some links below to help you. Please take the time and do it, don't blow off your money for they are counting on it that you will.

National Fraud Information Center:
http://www.fraud.org
Internet Crime Complaint Center:
http://www.ic3.gov
Better Business Bureau Online:
http://www.bbbonline.org
File a police report against the other party.

(I got the link www.usacops.com which will put you in contact with ther crook's local PD.)"
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[bigunde]

Did you try through here: http://www.thetoyfactoryracing.com/andy.html

[Johnny406]

Did you try through here: http://www.thetoyfactoryracing.com/andy.html

I saw that but this is now a criminal/judicial matter. It appears I am not the only victim which makes me even sicker.:gag:

[WDCreech]

I have dealt with Andy and he gave me a helluva good deal for an IA block and a forged crank. Packaged very well and it got here long before expected. Nice guy to talk to on the phone!

http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm295/WDCreech/burnout.jpg

[performerrpm]

i started to buy a set of his e heads first part of this year and second guessed it and went with sd. glad i did now.

on another note.......i guess if he does get those pontiac sportsman blocks worked out he may not have anyone to buy them

[Johnny406]

Andy sent me a update today, says the heads are done and will ship Monday.

[johnta1]

What kind of heads were these that cost only $800?

[Johnny406]

What kind of heads were these that cost only $800?


A set of super stock style custom built 96 heads he had on Ebay.

He said they would ship this past Monday so they should show up anytime now...

[Cliff R]

Did you get a tracking number?

You mentioned paying with Pay Pal, did you use a credit card?

We ALWAYS use a credit card for Pay Pay purchases. I got ripped off for $880 about a year ago and quickly got all of my money refunded by my credit card company.

I haven't talk to Andy in years, but he always seemed to be a decent guy and not one that would take your money and run with it.

I think he worked for or with Bruce Fulper for a while, if it's the same guy I'm thinking of?.....Cliff

[440GP69]

Same Dude Cliff, Without a Trcking number I'd still pursue it Untill my Heads Showed up!

[Roar]

I am still waiting on some valve springs and retainers here. This guy is so full of bull**** that the half could be enough. He can be glad that I dont live in California.

[Johnny406]

I posted this earier on PZ. Unfortunately, my case doesn't look like its going to have a peaceful ending...but...


I meant every word in my statement...every word!!

Today was my deadline hence my "smallish" comments in hopes this would be resolved by now.

It's been 9 days since he has contacted me and stated the heads would go out this past Monday. At this time, I have not received any additional updates or any shipping information (tracking numbers or method of delivery) via phone or e-mail.

Andy Mitchell: I publicly inform you that your time is up. My attorney's office will be contacting you shortly. Any corresponcence you have for me can go through them (Translation: Don't call or e-mail me anymore) or you may post on this forum if you so desire. I have contacted the BBB and paypal to let them know this issue was not resolved and that I am ready to take further measures.

Public Record:

http://www.labbb.org/DV.aspx?BBBDOC=7huSaMquZWI (http://www.labbb.org/DV.aspx?BBBDOC=7huSaMquZWI)=
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Johnny

[Cliff R]

I hate to hear these things. Andy always seemed like he was on the level. I was actually hoping he'd be successful after going out on his own. If he's went down the wrong path, well, he had a very good teacher.....FWIW.....Cliff

[shaker455]

This is definetly a kick in the side of our hobby.

I had one of his engines in a car here this summer and it was a great combo.

Johnny,
I hope you can resolve.

[Johnny406]

It's really tragic to see people with talent and knowledge and abilities squander them or take the fast buck. Oh well, he did this to himself, we didn't do it to him.

My coments will be limited to protect myself from any "slander" charges.

Many people have contacted me on this forum and PZ who have been duped by Mr. Mitchell. If you will send me your contact information, general details (dates & amounts surrendered) and most importantly, your permission, I will add them to the criminal suit/file. I will discuss with my attorneys about a possible class action suit but I am much more interested in the criminal side. If you have an attorney that you would like to get in contact with mine, let me know and I will collect that info and pass it mine as well as my local and California Law Enforcement. I also encourage you to contact and file with your local police department. No doubt, this will soon become a federal matter since these incidents are innerstate commerce violations.

I sincerely hope you others that were duped by the header and valve cover vendors will take similar actions.

[DiamondJim]

Did you get a tracking number?

You mentioned paying with Pay Pal, did you use a credit card?

We ALWAYS use a credit card for Pay Pay purchases. I got ripped off for $880 about a year ago and quickly got all of my money refunded by my credit card company.

I haven't talk to Andy in years, but he always seemed to be a decent guy and not one that would take your money and run with it.

I think he worked for or with Bruce Fulper for a while, if it's the same guy I'm thinking of?.....Cliff

I got riipped off while using Paypal also. Only got back 75 bucks out of 550 in my case. Beware. -Jim

[taff2]

I used to buy parts off Andy when he lived over here,never had a problem as I always met him face to face to collect the parts. However, when he left for the States I had a set of headers due to me via a third party deal, when they turned up they were 1 5/8" not the 1 3/4" I paid for. I didn't follow up on it because it could have been a misunderstanding. Since then I have heard of a couple of guys over here that were owed parts or money when he left for the States, and a friend of mine who had an engine built by Andy, lost a rod bearing on the first pass,Andy promised to put it good but left the country shortly afterwards,without a word.

[Johnny406]

When I used paypal on this transaction I used my debit card just because I hate owing money to the credit cards. Every time I make a paypal transaction, I now use the cc and move the money over. Yep, a painful lesson.

[gtofreek]

Not to change the subject, but speaking of Paypal and E-bay, they both got me for a combined $1590. Seems someone who pays for something they bid on can just ask for their money back and in my case, they gave the money back but then wouldn't credit me the fees they charged me for the transaction. I will never deal with them again. Seems to me they give sellers no protection at all against fraudulant bidders. Users beware!

[PONTIAC DUDE]

Not to change the subject, but speaking of Paypal and E-bay, they both got me for a combined $1590. Seems someone who pays for something they bid on can just ask for their money back and in my case, they gave the money back but then wouldn't credit me the fees they charged me for the transaction. I will never deal with them again. Seems to me they give sellers no protection at all against fraudulant bidders. Users beware!

Not to change the subject but................ Works the same way with credit cards. I lost over $3,500 on 2 tranactions because they returned the money without hearing my side. My only recourse after that was court action but not worth the expense as i already incurred losses. My work and action meant nothing as it was their card company, not mine!!!!!!!!

One was a customer dropped off heads to be checked out. Then approved over the phone cost to do the work. Got them done and told him they are ready. 2 weeks go by. Then calls his credit card company and said he never authorized the sale. Contact him and said he never approved it. Phuckin liar as I talked to him. They refunded his money as he didn't have the heads and I did. I was left with a set of heads I could never get my money back out of as they weren't a big mover.

The second transaction was a BBC intake and fogger set up new. And he wanted me to install it. Over the phone again. Told him it was a back order at that time on the fogger. Paid and waited a mnoth and a half till it finally arrived. Called and told him I was getting ready to install it and he said he changed his mind. I told him I already have it, He said he contacted his credit card company to get a refund. Turned kinda ugly at this point. ONE DAY later we receive notice and $2,000 out of my account. So he had to do it before I contacted him. He never called to say he changed his mind, blah, blah, blah. Told them I took to long (he at the time said OK) and never received the product. Explained to them the story and they said as long as he never received the product, not their concern. A$$holes.

So beware as a business, the public can throw it to you any time and any way. And lie about it !!!!!!!!!!!!

Being in business for over 45 years and trying to bend over backwards for people I have a few stories. ;)

[fastgto]

WOW, I`ve met Andy a few times. Hard to believe, this is sad sad sad.

[Cliff R]

Ken, let someone walk out of your shop without paying the bill and see how quickly you get paid. I let a local guy, I woln't mention names, but his initials are ART TURPIN, walked out of here with a Ram Air carburetor we built for him, and never got paid. Got hold of him once before he changed both his contact numbers, said a MO was on it's way.....that was at least 3 months ago!......I have about a dozen other stories just like that one. Bottom line, get paid BEFORE the job leaves the shop.......no exceptions.....Cliff

[PITTSBURGH 64]

Never in million years would I accept credit cards in my business. How much are they charging you for that service? Have you ever added it up over the years?

With my business it's instant amnesia. When there electric is down they will do anything to get there power restored, but once its on, they forget about you risking your life connecting up there electricity in the rain or -10 degree weather. I get the agreed price in writing before I even open my tool box....

Can't let a few screwballs get to you though. Entrepreneurship is a wonderful thing. I decided to take off today to buy myself some toys for Christmas......:)

[gtofreek]

Never in million years would I accept credit cards in my business. How much are they charging you for that service? Have you ever added it up over the years?

With my business it's instant amnesia. When there electric is down they will do anything to get there power restored, but once its on, they forget about you risking your life connecting up there electricity in the rain. I get the agreed price in writing before I even open my tool box....

Can't let a few screwballs get to you though. Entrepreneurship is a wonderful thing. I decided to take off today to buy myself some toys for Christmas......:)


We did an engine for a guy in Vegas. He paid with his credit card when it was done. A month later our account is hit for 370 something dollars. When we questioned it, they told us it was for that credit card purchase. Seems that because he had frequent flyer miles on HIS card, they charged us 3. something % for taking it as payment. What a F*cking crock! It cost us almost $400 so he can get some free air mileage. Sure makes on not want to take credit cards. Oh, but they say, that's the cost of doing business. No it's not. It's just a rip off. Credit card companies and those handling the transactions always find a way to scam more money out of you. If you ask me, a credit card is a convenience for the card holder. Those conveniences should cost the card holder, not the merchant that is trying to help them out by taking the CC in the first place. Typical, the system just makes it harder and harder for the small business man to stay in business!

[Rugratman]

That's why they have so many " Visa " commercial's. They make it on both sides....

What I do here, Is I have 2 accn'ts. One the charges go straight into it, then I transfer online to another accn't. If I get a bad deal, and if I have time, I dump that accn't.

I got burned here once on a stolen CC.
And your right, that extra fee for " premium " cards IE: Airline miles etc, is pure theft in my book. Ever wonder why so many places offer these?
Credit Card company's will throw you under a bus in a heartbeat.

P.S, Johnny, I am sorry you got ripped off and thanks for warning us.

[INJUNTOM]

I dunno...I cringe when someone brings out their checkbook...But I'm relieved when I see the card.

I've been burned by more checks than cards so far.....

[BADDTA]

Guys,

I think the topic here was Andy is ripping off people, not the other way around. I understand what owning your own business is like, I have one. The point being made here is that Andy is taking money and not delivering. I am also one of the victims. I gave Andy $3710.00 back in June to start a pair of 465 cfm CV-1's and have received nothing but bull***** from him. I would like to move forward with my build, but it is difficult to eat that kind of cash and proceed. I put a call into the Upland CA PD and they have yet to get back to me. Another guy from PZ went to Andy's yesterday with the Upland PD and finally got his car that he paid for. I guess Andy was a little shocked that someone showed up with police. Wish I was there. Andy might be really talented but he has NO business sense or morals, so buyer beware.

Thanks

Brian

[Roar]

Yeah its about Andy. The story in my case was that i bought a complete 494 stroker kit with roller camshaft and the neccesay valve springs.retainers and so on that matched the camshaft. Got the kit after many months had passed on....
I am still waiting on the valve springs and retainers for the kit ( bought it back in february)

The fun part in this case was that I actually planned to buy 10 stroker kits from him, but I would like to check one out first, I never told him that :-)

So who screwed who?


Well I am going to get my parts from him.

[60man]

This is too bad. A lot of people have talent but no business being in business.. I wonder if his former boss taught him how to run a business.:rolleyes: I was in business for 12-13 years myself. I was given some advice from a good friend. He told me " Never spend customer's money that's not yours and always keep up with Uncle Sam's taxes ".
Meaning the profit is all you spend on yourself ALWAYS !!
It was tempting at times but I stood by friends advice and I still have the respect of my old customers since going out of business due to mental laspe (stupity) during a divorce !
Johnny I hope you and others get satisfaction...
You sure don't deserve this...

[60man]

Yeah its about Andy. The story in my case was that i bought a complete 494 stroker kit with roller camshaft and the neccesay valve springs.retainers and so on that matched the camshaft. Got the kit after many months had passed on....
I am still waiting on the valve springs and retainers for the kit ( bought it back in february)

The fun part in this case was that I actually planned to buy 10 stroker kits from him, but I would like to check one out first, I never told him that :-)

So who screwed who?


Well I am going to get my parts from him.

Just what I was talking about in my post Roar.
You take care of your customers and they will take care of you..!!
Trust has to go both ways...

[afx421]

this is a shock! andy is a super nice guy, great to communicate with and the motor he built me is good, no problems, just what i asked for.

[73ta]

Look like Bruce taught him well!!!!

[taff2]

The funny thing is, if you go on to Bruces site,he really gives Andy a slating, I wonder who actually tucked up who! By the way, Bruce states that Andy is Welsh, not so, he's English, I'm Welsh and Andy lived across the border from me. Just a little point that annoyed me!

[i82much]

The credit card thing is a real shame. I've got a shop north of Baltimore restoring my 65 GTO - good guys to deal with but I always thought it was kind of a PITA they didn't take credit cards. Now I understand ...

[Cameano]

I waited four months for a 406 shortblock that never came. The day Andy got a wake-up call from his bank refunding my $2750 he called me up claiming the engine was done. He was easy to get on the phone until the point that I paid him. After that, I had a real hard time getting ahold of him. Even my emails took a couple weeks to get a response. This was from last November to April. I hate airing out laundry in public, so I didn't. I can see a pattern now, though. :rolleyes:

[Johnny406]

I just posted this on PZ.

The FEDEX man was just here and dropped off the heads. Attached are some pics, I only pulled one out at the moment from the eyes they look good. I will take them by the machine shop the first of the year when they open back up.

Assuming they check out well, my dispute with Mr. Mitchell will be over. I'm disappointed I had to go the hardball route but am pleased my issue is resolved.

It is my sincerest hopes and wishes that he will make right any other outstanding business transactions with his other customers.

No doubt the man is a talented machinist and engine builder. I hope he gets his business priorities in order and resolves his remaining issues.

[hurryinhoosier62]

My first rule of thumb... NEVER deal with people you don't know and have a LONG
history with. I've NEVER been screwed using this approach.

[Jack Gifford]

... NEVER deal with people you don't know and have a LONG history with...Umm... was that sarcasm? If not, then it seems to beg the question of "how to start building a long history"...

[gtofreek]

Good point Jack!

[hurryinhoosier62]

Jack,
It's very simple...you ask a lot of questions BEFORE you give ANYONE your money!
I started building engines in '86., Before I had ANY machine work done, I went to an
old friend(a retired USAC engine builder) and ask him who I should use. I called ALL
the references he gave me. The ones who couldn't or wouldn't give me a straight
answer I didn't use. Right now, I can name EVERY machinist I'll use in the Louisville
area. There are ONLY 4!!

[fastgto]

Yep, you`ve done your home work. I`m the same way.

[Johnny406]

Gentlemen,

In my case/this case, I bought something listed on Ebay with photographs from someone that I only heard/read good news about and had very good feedback at the time. I guess nothing is 100% except death and taxes. Even then, people will try to cheat both...

[JUDGNOT]

This is really odd seeming to me that a guy could go on ripping so many people off from what it sounds like from those who have posted up in this thread.

In such a tight nit and seemingly "everyone knows everyone" community also. These aren't Chevy's after all.

I mean does this guy operate out of a store front? I don't mean to take this down to this level but if a business owner stole my money in such a blatant fashion and after multiple attempts to contact, it's not going to be that long before I burst through that front door ready to roll some heads.. and not the iron or aluminum type. Theft is theft, this is worse than someone stealing the heads off my engine at night when I'm sleeping and people get shot for that.

I don't get it. I'd be afraid for my safety if I had wronged so many people.

[fastgto]

Well said.

[Roar]

Andy is a thief and a liar. Luckily for him I live in Norway, but I got some buddies overseas. Strange that I just sold some valve springs to them that they could pick up at Andys store. LMAO

[67 Lamnas]

This is really odd seeming to me that a guy could go on ripping so many people off from what it sounds like from those who have posted up in this thread.

It makes you wonder how people like him and 'the flopper' can even stay in business with so much bad press out there about him.......

[Johnny406]

As I promised to everybody on this forum and PZ I took one of the heads to a very well known and respected engine builder here in town. He specialized in circle track and Pikes Peak Hill Climb engines but he has built alot of Pontiacs and is very Pontiac Smart. He is not a web surfer and has absolutely no knowledge about this case. I didn't even tell him the purpose of the test and who built the heads until after I had picked the heads up and put it in the trunk and paid him for his service. That is about as impartial as I can get.

Guide plates and studs were listed but not included.

Below I will list the head flow for both intake and exhaust. Below hat I will attach the complete unedited Ebay listing for these heads. I wish I had a scanner to attach these.

Intake Flow from the FLOW PRO Report

Lift---DEPR---Range---Percent---CCFM---ACTUAL DEPR
.050 28.00 I2 64.77 46.6 27.99
.100 28.00 I3 60.30 91.4 28.01
.200 28.00 I4 48.10 144.9 28.00
.300 28.00 I4 58.91 177.4 27.98
.400 28.00 I4 65.01 195.8 27.96
.500 28.00 I4 68.23 205.5 27.98

Exhaust Flow

.050 28.00 E2 51.71 39.7 28.08
.100 28.00 E3 27.25 41.5 28.04
.200 28.00 E3 54.56 83.1 28.01
.300 28.00 E3 72.03 109.7 28.02
.400 28.00 E3 84.05 128.1 27.99
.500 28.00 E3 91.69 139.7 28.00
.600 28.00 E3 96.00 146.3 28.00

This is a rare set of casting number 96 heads and will turn your 8:1cr 455 into a 9.5:1 comperssion engine that will run on 91 octane fuel and give you an extra 80+ HP. Head specs are 96cc chambers 2.11 intake valves and 1.77 exhaust valve Valves are stainless 1 piece hi-flow valves Heads wrere in perfect condition and cleaned & magged with no cracks found,we fited bronze bullet liners in all the guides and honed for correct clearance,heads were surfaced and chambers debured,seats were cut with a Hi-Performance 3 angle valve job and valves
refaced,heads will be built with new springs and shimed to correct hieght,heads come with guide plates and rockers studs and are painted orininal Pontiac blue,new brass freeze plugs are installed. In out opinion you will not find a nicer set of these rare heads. All machine work is carried out in house at our shop by technicians with over 30-40 years experience See our other actions for ported Edelbrock heads street and race(shipping and other discounts for perchase of a set of heads with this short block kit) Outlaw Racing Engines Specilising in Pontiacs & BBC's for over 30 years Designers and builders of the Badest Pontiac & BBC Pump Gas engines on the planet !!! Road Warrior 455 670hp 630 lb/ft Road warrior 505 742hp 670 lb/ft (featured in Hot Rod Magazine Dec 2005 & Hot Rod fall 2006 engine special) Road Warrior 535 852hp 700 lb/ft The Howitzer BBC 626hp 620 lb/ft(featured in Popular Hot Rodding oct 07 & Engine Masters winter 07) The Hellraisser Blown BBC 849hp 768 lb/ft (featured in Popular Hot Rodding dec 07) Coming soon in Popular Hot Rodding stroking a Pontiac 400 to 496ci Fastest N/A Outlaw 10.5 street car in the world 648ci BBC 1440hp 2005 Grand Am with a ET of 7.08 PSCA outlaw 10.5 2007 Champions Pics are genaric Actual pics coming soon OnMar-01-08 at 08:17:49 PST, seller added the following information: Reserve has been lowered from $4500 to $3500 for this auction

Pontiac heads # 96 (makes 9.5:1cr on a 455) Item #290236501868 Item located in: Parts & Accessories:Car & Truck Parts:Engines & Components:Cylinder Heads & Parts <ALIGN=CENTERBidding is closed for this item.View seller's other auctionsCurrent Bid $750.00 (reserve met) Starting Bid $50.00 Quantity 1 # of bids 8 (Bid history) Time left Auction has ended. Location upland, CA Country United States Started Jun-05-08 07:44:17 PDT (Mail this auction to a friend) Ends Jun-12-08 07:44:17 PDT Watch this item

[68gtoMN]

I read what you posted. I don't understand the point of this post.

Seller states original heads in correct original condition, no defects. He calls them hi-flow (marketing) but states they are stock, then rebuilt.

I guess I just don't get it... :2cents:

[Ron Genovese]

Huh??????? Looks like a stock rebuild. May be a good rebuild. Maybe I'm missing something????

[Johnny406]

This is the follow up from the previous (now closed) thread. I would've tagged it there if it was open. I have been asked alot about the heads hence the post. Did he deliver what he said? Yes and no. The heads are okay, the craftsmanship/machining is fine. Minus not getting the studs and guide plates I pretty much got what I paid for. The issue here was the battle to get what I paid for...

Here is the original thread if interested

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=580601

[Ron Genovese]

I don't think $750.00 is out of line for a set of fresh, well built #96 heads.

[1971WARBIRD]

Yes, stupid me for waiting so long to take action. That is my fault for trusting him and his reputation. I wanted him to do a little additional port work/cleanup on the heads and was going to pay him the difference and he agreed.

did he do any porting?doesn't look like it.

i would have sold you a set of 6X that flow [email protected]/[email protected] for 1000.00.didn't know you were looking.

[Johnny406]

Yes, stupid me for waiting so long to take action. That is my fault for trusting him and his reputation. I wanted him to do a little additional port work/cleanup on the heads and was going to pay him the difference and he agreed.

did he do any porting?doesn't look like it.

i would have sold you a set of 6X that flow [email protected]/[email protected] for 1000.00.didn't know you were looking.

No, he didn't do any porting nor did I pay him for any. In hind sight, I should've put the money into my 6X-4's I still have from the last motor. Oh well, I'm just glad to finally get this resolved.