2014 Predictions

[Jeff Kinsler]

1. Pontiacs will continue to get faster with all the new products coming out!!!!!!!!!!
2. GREATGTOS engine will still not be in a car,just in his avatar like the last 5 years.:eek:
3. EHTTFMF!! will still get under peoples skin... LMAO
4. Magic Man wont race NMCA 10.5 because Dwight and Demayo will donkey stomp him. :)
5. E-Heads will win Toms heads up race again.:eek:
6. Bad69bird will be back out with his car in 2014...
7. Little Jack is still and will always be the CV1's most hated person. :(
8. TwinTurboBill will be on port number #44 (the port that ends all ports).
9. Calvin gives up after the 6th try to make 1000 hp with cv1's. :eek:
10. JDW Poncho will get skull drug by Little Jack.. DIDTHATJUSTHAPPEN.
11. Twinturbobill will keep bumping the 12k gaby e-head thread.
12. Bankbook will be out in 2014 making some hits..
13. Cv1 powered car gets whipped by Jim Robersons d-port in Toms NA race. :eek:
14. Wreckmaster going to go 7.50s with a 3600 lb car. EHTTFMF!
15. Jim (7T2) will still be drinking and blaming the ECM for his problems
16. The Picketts will be fast as always with there badass hotrods!!!! :)
17. Stan's computers will short circuit from over use................ERROR......
18. Rodney and Travis will beat there 6.27 e.t.
19. Dwight will continue to get closer to that magical 7 sec pass!!
20. Jacks Visners will be the baddest heads out in 2014..
21. Mike Leech will stomp any cv1 na combo in 2014...
22. BATMAN's video will never be matched or beaten.. :)
23. RAV's should lay down some numbers in 2014!!
24. Johnta1 will still have the slowest dragster in the country.. :eek:
25. Pontiacs will continue to close the e.t. gap on other brands..:):):):):):)
26. 2024 is when Greatgto and ttbill will show a timeslip.....maybe..
27. John Snyder will be a threat again in ultra street!!
28. Langer will still be the real KING... :)
29. Magic Man Marcella will be scared to come to race at Yellowbullet Nationals....
30. There will be many more locked threads in the race section...

[mike leech]

Bahhh!

[LiL Jack]

That's a good one.

Not sure about E heads winning Toms race again, but I can tell you which head it won't be :)

[Stan Weiss]

1. Pontiacs will continue to get faster with all the new products coming out!!!!!!!!!!
2. GREATGTOS engine will still not be in a car,just in his avatar like the last 5 years.:eek:
3. EHTTFMF!! will still get under peoples skin... LMAO
4. Magic Man wont race NMCA 10.5 because Dwight and Demayo will donkey stomp him. :)
5. E-Heads will win Toms heads up race again.:eek:
6. Bad69bird will be back out with his car in 2014...
7. Little Jack is still and will always be the CV1's most hated person. :(
8. TwinTurboBill will be on port number #44 (the port that ends all ports).
9. Calvin gives up after the 6th try to make 1000 hp with cv1's. :eek:
10. JDW Poncho will get skull drug by Little Jack.. DIDTHATJUSTHAPPEN.
11. Twinturbobill will keep bumping the 12k gaby e-head thread.
12. Bankbook will be out in 2014 making some hits..
13. Cv1 powered car gets whipped by Jim Robersons d-port in Toms NA race. :eek:
14. Wreckmaster going to go 7.50s with a 3600 lb car. EHTTFMF!
15. Jim (7T2) will still be drinking and blaming the ECM for his problems
16. The Picketts will be fast as always with there badass hotrods!!!! :)
17. Stan's computers will short circuit from over use................ERROR......
18. Rodney and Travis will beat there 6.27 e.t.
19. Dwight will continue to get closer to that magical 7 sec pass!!
20. Jacks Visners will be the baddest heads out in 2014..
21. Mike Leech will stomp any cv1 na combo in 2014...
22. BATMAN's video will never be matched or beaten.. :)
23. RAV's should lay down some numbers in 2014!!
24. Johnta1 will still have the slowest dragster in the country.. :eek:
25. Pontiacs will continue to close the e.t. gap on other brands..:):):):):):)
26. 2024 is when Greatgto and ttbill will show a timeslip.....maybe..
27. John Snyder will be a threat again in ultra street!!
28. Langer will still be the real KING... :)
29. Magic Man Marcella will be scared to come to race at Yellowbullet Nationals....
30. There will be many more locked threads in the race section...

Only if the Pickett's warp 6 breaks something.

Stan

[R 70 Judge]

1. Pontiacs will continue to get faster with all the new products coming out!!!!!!!!!!
2. GREATGTOS engine will still not be in a car,just in his avatar like the last 5 years.:eek:
3. EHTTFMF!! will still get under peoples skin... LMAO
4. Magic Man wont race NMCA 10.5 because Dwight and Demayo will donkey stomp him. :)
5. E-Heads will win Toms heads up race again.:eek:
6. Bad69bird will be back out with his car in 2014...
7. Little Jack is still and will always be the CV1's most hated person. :(
8. TwinTurboBill will be on port number #44 (the port that ends all ports).
9. Calvin gives up after the 6th try to make 1000 hp with cv1's. :eek:
10. JDW Poncho will get skull drug by Little Jack.. DIDTHATJUSTHAPPEN.
11. Twinturbobill will keep bumping the 12k gaby e-head thread.
12. Bankbook will be out in 2014 making some hits..
13. Cv1 powered car gets whipped by Jim Robersons d-port in Toms NA race. :eek:
14. Wreckmaster going to go 7.50s with a 3600 lb car. EHTTFMF!
15. Jim (7T2) will still be drinking and blaming the ECM for his problems
16. The Picketts will be fast as always with there badass hotrods!!!! :)
17. Stan's computers will short circuit from over use................ERROR......
18. Rodney and Travis will beat there 6.27 e.t.
19. Dwight will continue to get closer to that magical 7 sec pass!!
20. Jacks Visners will be the baddest heads out in 2014..
21. Mike Leech will stomp any cv1 na combo in 2014...
22. BATMAN's video will never be matched or beaten.. :)
23. RAV's should lay down some numbers in 2014!!
24. Johnta1 will still have the slowest dragster in the country.. :eek:
25. Pontiacs will continue to close the e.t. gap on other brands..:):):):):):)
26. 2024 is when Greatgto and ttbill will show a timeslip.....maybe..
27. John Snyder will be a threat again in ultra street!!
28. Langer will still be the real KING... :)
29. Magic Man Marcella will be scared to come to race at Yellowbullet Nationals....
30. There will be many more locked threads in the race section...

Only 469ci with a factory block, crank, and iron heads. That's one bad mo fo!

[mike leech]

Only 469ci with a factory block, crank, and iron heads. That's one bad mo fo!

Yes!

[estep455]

and I didn't make that list?:D

[LiL Jack]

Only if the Pickett's warp 6 breaks something.

Stan

Don't be so sure.

[Stan Weiss]

1. Pontiacs will continue to get faster with all the new products coming out!!!!!!!!!!
2. GREATGTOS engine will still not be in a car,just in his avatar like the last 5 years.:eek:
3. EHTTFMF!! will still get under peoples skin... LMAO
4. Magic Man wont race NMCA 10.5 because Dwight and Demayo will donkey stomp him. :)
5. E-Heads will win Toms heads up race again.:eek:
6. Bad69bird will be back out with his car in 2014...
7. Little Jack is still and will always be the CV1's most hated person. :(
8. TwinTurboBill will be on port number #44 (the port that ends all ports).
9. Calvin gives up after the 6th try to make 1000 hp with cv1's. :eek:
10. JDW Poncho will get skull drug by Little Jack.. DIDTHATJUSTHAPPEN.
11. Twinturbobill will keep bumping the 12k gaby e-head thread.
12. Bankbook will be out in 2014 making some hits..
13. Cv1 powered car gets whipped by Jim Robersons d-port in Toms NA race. :eek:
14. Wreckmaster going to go 7.50s with a 3600 lb car. EHTTFMF!
15. Jim (7T2) will still be drinking and blaming the ECM for his problems
16. The Picketts will be fast as always with there badass hotrods!!!! :)
17. Stan's computers will short circuit from over use................ERROR......
18. Rodney and Travis will beat there 6.27 e.t.
19. Dwight will continue to get closer to that magical 7 sec pass!!
20. Jacks Visners will be the baddest heads out in 2014..
21. Mike Leech will stomp any cv1 na combo in 2014...
22. BATMAN's video will never be matched or beaten.. :)
23. RAV's should lay down some numbers in 2014!!
24. Johnta1 will still have the slowest dragster in the country.. :eek:
25. Pontiacs will continue to close the e.t. gap on other brands..:):):):):):)
26. 2024 is when Greatgto and ttbill will show a timeslip.....maybe..
27. John Snyder will be a threat again in ultra street!!
28. Langer will still be the real KING... :)
29. Magic Man Marcella will be scared to come to race at Yellowbullet Nationals....
30. There will be many more locked threads in the race section...

Jeff,
Thank you for your concern. ;) This is an older highly modified system. I have replaced the CPU with one 137.5% faster. I also replaced the original heat sink, fan and ducting with a redesign cooling system by me. It has not overheated and has not had any head gasket, piston or valve problem. :) I do have a pile of spare parts as well as another desktop unit and laptop which are both newer, I just like the old iron better. :D So have no fear about me ever being off-line. :eek:

Stan

[johnta1]

You surely didn't spend $12,000 for it either?

:eek:

[mike leech]

Jeff,
Thank you for your concern. ;) This is an older highly modified system. I have replaced the CPU with one 137.5% faster. I also replaced the original heat sink, fan and ducting with a redesign cooling system by me. It has not overheated and has not had any head gasket, piston or valve problem. :) I do have a pile of spare parts as well as another desktop unit and laptop which are both newer, I just like the old iron better. :D So have no fear about me ever being off-line. :eek:

Stan

So your saying you have a hot rodded calculator? NO you don't say.....I'll bet its very fast.

[GTOGEORGE]

I predict that KRE Headed (Warp, HP) cars will win the Quick 16, Frantic 4 and Toms Heads Up race at Norwalk in 2014!


GTO George

[LiL Jack]

You surely didn't spend $12,000 for it either?

:eek:

Cost is secondary, performance is primary.

[LiL Jack]

I predict that KRE Headed (Warp, HP) cars will win the Quick 16, Frantic 4 and Toms Heads Up race at Norwalk in 2014!


GTO George

I don't think they are going to hit the trifecta there George.

[GTOGEORGE]

Jack,
I hear you ..........I'm thinking it could be the Frantic Four race, Butlers car is QUICK!


GTO George

[mike leech]

I predict that KRE Headed (Warp, HP) cars will win the Quick 16, Frantic 4 and Toms Heads Up race at Norwalk in 2014!


GTO George

Hey you got a little slober on your shirt there. FYI

[Jim Zeek]

Hey you got a little slober on your shirt there. FYI

i thought it was something else

[john marcella]

1. Pontiacs will continue to get faster with all the new products coming out!!!!!!!!!!
2. GREATGTOS engine will still not be in a car,just in his avatar like the last 5 years.:eek:
3. EHTTFMF!! will still get under peoples skin... LMAO
4. Magic Man wont race NMCA 10.5 because Dwight and Demayo will donkey stomp him. :)
5. E-Heads will win Toms heads up race again.:eek:
6. Bad69bird will be back out with his car in 2014...
7. Little Jack is still and will always be the CV1's most hated person. :(
8. TwinTurboBill will be on port number #44 (the port that ends all ports).
9. Calvin gives up after the 6th try to make 1000 hp with cv1's. :eek:
10. JDW Poncho will get skull drug by Little Jack.. DIDTHATJUSTHAPPEN.
11. Twinturbobill will keep bumping the 12k gaby e-head thread.
12. Bankbook will be out in 2014 making some hits..
13. Cv1 powered car gets whipped by Jim Robersons d-port in Toms NA race. :eek:
14. Wreckmaster going to go 7.50s with a 3600 lb car. EHTTFMF!
15. Jim (7T2) will still be drinking and blaming the ECM for his problems
16. The Picketts will be fast as always with there badass hotrods!!!! :)
17. Stan's computers will short circuit from over use................ERROR......
18. Rodney and Travis will beat there 6.27 e.t.
19. Dwight will continue to get closer to that magical 7 sec pass!!
20. Jacks Visners will be the baddest heads out in 2014..
21. Mike Leech will stomp any cv1 na combo in 2014...
22. BATMAN's video will never be matched or beaten.. :)
23. RAV's should lay down some numbers in 2014!!
24. Johnta1 will still have the slowest dragster in the country.. :eek:
25. Pontiacs will continue to close the e.t. gap on other brands..:):):):):):)
26. 2024 is when Greatgto and ttbill will show a timeslip.....maybe..
27. John Snyder will be a threat again in ultra street!!
28. Langer will still be the real KING... :)
29. Magic Man Marcella will be scared to come to race at Yellowbullet Nationals....
30. There will be many more locked threads in the race section...




When you going to come out my way and race?

[LiL Jack]

All the down hill tracks are out here.


:)

[johnta1]

When you going to come out my way and race?

Norwalk is close to going your way?

:)

[GTOGEORGE]

No slobber, just a prediction!
Another prediction..........all 7 sec. Door Car field for the Quick 16!


GTO George

[mike leech]

No slobber, just a prediction!
Another prediction..........all 7 sec. Door Car field for the Quick 16!


GTO George

maybe Zeek was right, something else then.....I know how you get all excited when the words kre and warp6 are used together.

[GTOGEORGE]

HELL YEA! :)

Although I do lean towards the RA5 heads!


GTO George

[GTO Dan]

maybe Zeek was right, something else then.....I know how you get all excited when the words kre and warp6 are used together.

:eek: eeeeeewwwwwuuuuuu :D

[David Holmberg]

I love it when there's a healthy competition between camps, it makes everyone work harder. The end result is quicker Pontiacs in every camp!

[mike leech]

I love it when there's a healthy competition between camps, it makes everyone work harder. The end result is quicker Pontiacs in every camp!

And sometimes a small area that needs cleaned up!

[GTO Dan]

Hey Kinsler - thanks for leaving me off your stupid list this year. I didn't want to be on it anyway. Your just one of those illuminati, 1%er go fast snobs.

Wait until I get to Norwalk someday, I'm going to stop in Pennsylvania on the way and buy a bunch of bottle rockets and strap them to the back of my car and drag you down the track! (Unfortunately like Daffy Duck I can only do it once). That'll show you.

And your dog is ugly too!













:D:D:D

[Jeff Kinsler]

When you going to come out my way and race?

Norwalk is out your way.lol

[LiL Jack]

Prediction #31

GTOGeorge will never come near king Kinsler pit area at Norwalk :)

[Jeff Kinsler]

Hey Kinsler - thanks for leaving me off your stupid list this year. I didn't want to be on it anyway. Your just one of those illuminati, 1%er go fast snobs.

Wait until I get to Norwalk someday, I'm going to stop in Pennsylvania on the way and buy a bunch of bottle rockets and strap them to the back of my car and drag you down the track! (Unfortunately like Daffy Duck I can only do it once). That'll show you.

And your dog is ugly too!













:D:D:D

ROTFFLMFAO!!

[jdw_poncho]

Yeah....... Right!

I like Sam Adams and Amber Boch. Don't forget....

[LiL Jack]

Yeah....... Right!

I like Sam Adams and Amber Boch. Don't forget....

Dude, you were drinking out of a red Solo cup with a phucking straw!??

man card revoked!


:jumping:

[jdw_poncho]

Dude, you were drinking out of a red Solo cup with a phucking straw!??

man card revoked!


:jumping:

I dont remember that ****!

I dont use straws so that must have been someone else.

Didnt you have on some golf shirt with sandles?

[LiL Jack]

I dont remember that ****!

I dont use straws so that must have been someone else.

Didnt you have on some golf shirt with sandles?

No it was u and RAV dude.

hell no golf shirt and i dont own a pair of those gay ass sandles. flip flops ttfmf:D

[David Holmberg]

FFTTFMF

[jdw_poncho]

No it was u and RAV dude.

hell no golf shirt and i dont own a pair of those gay ass sandles. flip flops ttfmf:D

That would be Ed, the other guy with a street engine thats gonna make you realize your paid too much go slower than us....

I dont want to speak for Ed, Im pretty sure he's one of those guys that comes out swinging.

[David Holmberg]

That would be Ed, the other guy with a street engine thats gonna make you realize your paid too much go slower than us....

I dont want to speak for Ed, Im pretty sure he's one of those guys that comes out swinging.


You could be right, it's not high on Brian's list of priorities right now, but it will happen.

That's a good looking car!

[john marcella]

No it was u and RAV dude.

hell no golf shirt and i dont own a pair of those gay ass sandles. flip flops ttfmf:D

G-strings for your toes are gay. You're under suspicion.

[mike leech]

That would be Ed, the other guy with a street engine thats gonna make you realize your paid too much go slower than us....

I dont want to speak for Ed, Im pretty sure he's one of those guys that comes out swinging.

The little go cart with a turbo?

[RAIV-Z]

The little go cart with a turbo?

My go-cart has twins.

[v869tr6]

The little go cart with a turbo?

I think its a different Ed, I don't have RAV's and my car is a street car that I race a little, plus I will let my time slips do my talking.... no need to eat Crow here.

[Jeff Kinsler]

G-strings for your toes are gay. You're under suspicion.

:):):):)

[jdw_poncho]

I think its a different Ed, I don't have RAV's and my car is a street car that I race a little, plus I will let my time slips do my talking.... no need to eat Crow here.

Ka-pow!!! Lol

Ed, if I remember right that car isn't a lightweight correct?

[jdw_poncho]

The little go cart with a turbo?

My go-cart has twins.

What he said^^^^^

Don't worry mike you don't have enough for those twins either.

[Blued and Painted]

G-strings for your toes are gay. You're under suspicion.
http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/x357/BluedandPainted/252261_307556202687259_1572123296_n_zpse62e897b.jp g (http://s1177.photobucket.com/user/BluedandPainted/media/252261_307556202687259_1572123296_n_zpse62e897b.jp g.html)

[mike leech]

I think its a different Ed, I don't have RAV's and my car is a street car that I race a little, plus I will let my time slips do my talking.... no need to eat Crow here.

You know I was just messin with you! and I know your car isn't light although it is small

[mike leech]

What he said^^^^^

Don't worry mike you don't have enough for those twins either.

I know...

[lemans411]

You know I was just messin with you! and I know your car isn't light although it is small

its really heavy with my big azz in the passenger seat lol, more room than you think though,

[mike leech]

its really heavy with my big azz in the passenger seat lol, more room than you think though,

I bet. Cool car. Lots o tubing in there......it must all be touching the sheet metal.

[mike leech]

Ka-pow!!! Lol

Ed, if I remember right that car isn't a lightweight correct?

Yes but still lighter than mine.....and he had the best seat at norwalk.....of the back of my car

[v869tr6]

You know I was just messin with you! and I know your car isn't light although it is small

I know at Norwalk your N/A car out ran my turbo'ed rollerskate, h*ll you weren't so far ahead I couldn't see you. LOL
My car weight was right at 3000lb on Norwalks scale. Now with the switch from at t400 to a 4l80 and lockup converter I would guess 3050 or so.

[mike leech]

I know at Norwalk your N/A car out ran my turbo'ed rollerskate, h*ll you weren't so far ahead I couldn't see you. LOL
My car weight was right at 3000lb on Norwalks scale. Now with the switch from at t400 to a 4l80 and lockup converter I would guess 3050 or so.

I hope you have a great year ed......

[v869tr6]

I hope you have a great year ed......

Thanks Mike, hope you keep honing that N/A combo too.
Thinking a small roller cam and a gear change, plus getting the tune up reset for more power will get me in trouble with the chassis cert...

[mike leech]

Thanks Mike, hope you keep honing that N/A combo too.
Thinking a small roller cam and a gear change, plus getting the tune up reset for more power will get me in trouble with the chassis cert...

Ya think? I'd say sure bet

[lemans411]

ill just be happy if i get to hear my engine run this summer , turbo or not. been too long! turn it up ed! gotta at least keep up with these n/a cars lol

[LiL Jack]

That would be Ed, the other guy with a street engine thats gonna make you realize your paid too much go slower than us....

I dont want to speak for Ed, Im pretty sure he's one of those guys that comes out swinging.

Will these cars be done this year, next year, the year after, maybe when the economy turns around....

7.90s isn't going to cut it this year at Norwalk there cupcake.:eek:

[Badbird69]

That's funny, coming from a guy who has never gone 7.90's at Norwalk.

[wreckmastr]

Damn Jack be careful ....LOL :D:D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jymRjovuavE/TB_vWMQS_CI/AAAAAAAAAoU/LSXycJtvsic/s1600/pimp_slap_zone_poster-p228457345358920128tdcp_400.jpg

[LiL Jack]

That's funny, coming from a guy who has never gone 7.90's at Norwalk.

You can get some too if you didn't retire yet!

[mike leech]

That's funny, coming from a guy who has never gone 7.90's at Norwalk.

You went to norwalk last year?

[GTO Dan]

Damn Jack be careful ....LOL :D:D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jymRjovuavE/TB_vWMQS_CI/AAAAAAAAAoU/LSXycJtvsic/s1600/pimp_slap_zone_poster-p228457345358920128tdcp_400.jpg

LOL!

[RAIV-Z]

Will these cars be done this year, next year, the year after, maybe when the economy turns around....

7.90s isn't going to cut it this year at Norwalk there cupcake.:eek:

jdw_poncho’s car is together and running, he just needs some track time and tuning. My 69 bird is still under construction.

[LiL Jack]

jdw_poncho’s car is together and running, he just needs some track time and tuning. My 69 bird is still under construction.

Cool hurry up and get it done Norwalk will be here before you know it!

[Scott Roberts]

You can get some too if you didn't retire yet!

I see the Pimp Hand is strong with this one...

[John Langer]

If I can get some decent east coast air, there is no reason I shouldnt run a bottom .80 or a high .70 in a mineshaft.

[quick67bird]

If I can get some decent east coast air, there is no reason I shouldnt run a bottom .80 or a high .70 in a mineshaft.

John, if you put a decent nitrous plate on your car what do you think it would realistically run? I was always under the impression that you wanted to try and build the most HP NA you could and then add nitrous.

[LiL Jack]

If I can get some decent east coast air, there is no reason I shouldnt run a bottom .80 or a high .70 in a mineshaft.

I don't think it was that bad that day.

[john marcella]

If I can get some decent east coast air, there is no reason I shouldnt run a bottom .80 or a high .70 in a mineshaft.


If your data on your car suggest that than I am extremely impressed, not that I wasn't before but. Best of luck! I cant see it but then again i'm not looking at your data:)

Even if its in the East Coast oxygen tank.

[Jeff Kinsler]

You can get some too if you didn't retire yet!

DIDTHATJUSTHAPPEN!!

[Jeff Kinsler]

John, if you put a decent nitrous plate on your car what do you think it would realistically run? I was always under the impression that you wanted to try and build the most HP NA you could and then add nitrous.

i would bust his a$$!! ;)

[Jeff Kinsler]

I don't think it was that bad that day.

ill put money he can go middle 80s.

[jdw_poncho]

Will these cars be done this year, next year, the year after, maybe when the economy turns around....

7.90s isn't going to cut it this year at Norwalk there cupcake.:eek:

It's done. Just putting a cable drive in and moving the fuel pump to the back.

I love cupcakes....

I heard you were a one shot wonder? Have you gone 7's more than once?
I'm thinking you better have your buddy with the pro charger fight this battle. Step aside and let the the big dogs race.

Will you be ready?

[GTO Dan]

It's done. Just putting a cable drive in and moving the fuel pump to the back.

I love cupcakes....

I heard you were a one shot wonder? Have you gone 7's more than once?
I'm thinking you better have your buddy with the pro charger fight this battle. Step aside and let the the big dogs race.

Will you be ready?

I'm slow but even I know once in the 7's is still more than never. :)

[Scott Roberts]

My money is on the nitrous car...he has a proven record with E heads and now.... well, you have seen the heads... on top of that, he has the power making Rican in his corner.

[Scott Roberts]

Jdw...are you running a blow through? What heads?

[jdw_poncho]

I'm slow but even I know once in the 7's is still more than never. :)

Ha Ha - true....

[jdw_poncho]

My money is on the nitrous car...he has a proven record with E heads and now.... well, you have seen the heads... on top of that, he has the power making Rican in his corner.

I agree he has way more runs than I do, plus he has a good baseline to work off of. But, I have plenty if time to work out the bugs so I'll try to be at Norwalk in August.



Jdw...are you running a blow through? What heads?

Fast EFI- methanol

Cv-1's- divorce exh -Calvin's big chamber quest heads

[GTO Dan]

Ha Ha - true....

FWIW...I know that you will be there shortly. I really like your build.

[LiL Jack]

My money is on the nitrous car...he has a proven record with E heads and now.... well, you have seen the heads... on top of that, he has the power making Rican in his corner.


PUERTORICANPERFORMANCETTFMF!

[Badbird69]

Lil,

BRING IT

Dick Fulton

[LiL Jack]

It's done. Just putting a cable drive in and moving the fuel pump to the back.

I love cupcakes....

I heard you were a one shot wonder? Have you gone 7's more than once?
I'm thinking you better have your buddy with the pro charger fight this battle. Step aside and let the the big dogs race.

Will you be ready?

I will be there!

[Badbird69]

Mike,

We were at Norwalk in 2010 and 2011. Won "Best Engineered" in 2011. Ran 7.80's both years in the heat and bad air. And we did this without Gaby heads, Gaby intake or Dale Cubic carbs.

The reason we sat out 2012 and 2013 lands squarely in the lap of the rican and his merry band of sub-contractors. True story. I could write a book on that whole frickin' fiasco, but won't get into it now.

Will regroup and make it this year. Maybe see you there.

Dick Fulton

[GTO Dan]

DIDALLTHISJUSTHAPPEN? :D:D:D

[J.C.you]

We hope there will be more sheite talkin' by the ecm. Sheite contributes to global warming. It's too frazzlin' cold to put the V motor back on the dyno at Uncle Tonys. We think there is some more ponies waiting to be had.

[Aaron Quinton]

Mike,

We were at Norwalk in 2010 and 2011. Won "Best Engineered" in 2011. Ran 7.80's both years in the heat and bad air. And we did this without Gaby heads, Gaby intake or Dale Cubic carbs.

The reason we sat out 2012 and 2013 lands squarely in the lap of the rican and his merry band of sub-contractors. True story. I could write a book on that whole frickin' fiasco, but won't get into it now.

Will regroup and make it this year. Maybe see you there.

Dick Fulton

^^^^^^^KA BAM ^^^^^^^^

[3fastgtos]

I for one would love to hear that story.

[johnta1]

Mike,

We were at Norwalk in 2010 and 2011. Won "Best Engineered" in 2011. Ran 7.80's both years in the heat and bad air. And we did this without Gaby heads, Gaby intake or Dale Cubic carbs.

The reason we sat out 2012 and 2013 lands squarely in the lap of the rican and his merry band of sub-contractors. True story. I could write a book on that whole frickin' fiasco, but won't get into it now.

Will regroup and make it this year. Maybe see you there.

Dick Fulton

QFT !

:)

[65nss4spdGTO]

Did the power go out on the east coast????

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[twinturrbo406]

Did the power go out on the east coast????

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420


:eek:

[lemans411]

Did the power go out on the east coast????

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

i hope they're all ok?

[Jeff Kinsler]

EHTTFMF!!

[lemans411]

EHTTFMF!!

lmmfao!

[Jeff Kinsler]

lmmfao!

:):)

[LiL Jack]

Mike,

We were at Norwalk in 2010 and 2011. Won "Best Engineered" in 2011. Ran 7.80's both years in the heat and bad air. And we did this without Gaby heads, Gaby intake or Dale Cubic carbs.

The reason we sat out 2012 and 2013 lands squarely in the lap of the rican and his merry band of sub-contractors. True story. I could write a book on that whole frickin' fiasco, but won't get into it now.

Will regroup and make it this year. Maybe see you there.

Dick Fulton


Anyone can go fast with a light car Dick. It's the CV1 way!

Sorry you had issues, but I have never had those problems you experienced with Gaby. He has always delivered the performance that he said it would make. I wonder since you had issues with the E headed motor and the CV1 motor I wonder if it is not you that is part of this common denominator.

Good luck and I hope you make it to Norwalk.....

[LiL Jack]

QFT !

:)

There are two sides to every story azzhat. So take that QFT with a big cactus and shove it up your ass!

[LiL Jack]

lmmfao!

You're not going to cry to the mods are you?

We are all men here if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen!

[LiL Jack]

Did the power go out on the east coast????

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

Calvin, when will you make a motor with some power?

Please bring it to Norwalk so we can donkey stomp the phuck out of it down the track!

[LiL Jack]

:eek:

Will your 43rd port make over 1,000 HP or do you need to port a few more?

Will your camaro be done for Norwalk?

[BruceWilkie]

Dick has had NO CV1 problems Jack... Where do you get this crap?... or do you just make it up as you go?

[65nss4spdGTO]

Anyone can go fast with a light car Dick. It's the CV1 way

Sounds like you are already laying the ground work for the light car BS???

You are the guy with the $50,000 engine, I sure hope you go faster than the 7.80's Dick laid down at Norwalk three years ago...

What happened your last day out when all of the ECM (except you) ran it's best and you ran 8.20's???


Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[lemans411]

Anyone can go fast with a light car Dick. It's the CV1 way!



i thought having a car closest to the minimum class weight was a smart thing? eh what do i know my car weighs 4,000 pounds. i guess i should be running e heads then.

[lemans411]

You're not going to cry to the mods are you?

We are all men here if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen!

nope! no crying here, i used to work at my uncles restaurant , it was pretty hot in there but the only reason i got out was i got a better paying job, it was hotter there.

so go ahead and talk all you want, its entertaining at least

[twinturrbo406]

Will your 43rd port make over 1,000 HP or do you need to port a few more?

Will your camaro be done for Norwalk?


... um, i'm a headporter Jack, it's what i do ...

... why, you wanna be my pit-bitch !! ...

... or do you wanna compare our fender-exit headers ?? ...

[LiL Jack]

i thought having a car closest to the minimum class weight was a smart thing? eh what do i know my car weighs 4,000 pounds. i guess i should be running e heads then.

It's ok, you can go slow :)


Don't feel bad I'm +400# over in my class also.

[LiL Jack]

... um, i'm a headporter Jack, it's what i do ...

... why, you wanna be my pit-bitch !! ...

I heard you have put one or two together in your kitchen:)





No.

[LiL Jack]

nope! no crying here, i used to work at my uncles restaurant , it was pretty hot in there but the only reason i got out was i got a better paying job, it was hotter there.

so go ahead and talk all you want, its entertaining at least

True, but it's always good to back up the talk.

[lemans411]

Mike,

the rican and his merry band of sub-contractors.

man and i got jumped all over when i asked if gaby ported his own heads or had em done elsewhere, lol

[LiL Jack]

Lil,

BRING IT

Dick Fulton

What are you trying to say Dick :)

[twinturrbo406]

[QUOTE=LiL Jack;5120644]You're not going to cry to the mods are you?


... if he does, i'm sure you'll be the first to know ... ;)

[mike leech]

... um, i'm a headporter Jack, it's what i do ...

... why, you wanna be my pit-bitch !! ...

... or do you wanna compare our fender-exit headers ?? ...

Make some exhaust come out of yours before you get too excited

[LiL Jack]

man and i got jumped all over when i asked if gaby ported his own heads or had em done elsewhere, lol

I have pics of what he has done to my Billets :) you think they looked good at PRI you haven't seen anything yet.


And no I won't post pics :)

[mike leech]

[QUOTE=LiL Jack;5120644]You're not going to cry to the mods are you?


... if he does, i'm sure you'll be the first to know ... ;)

good one.

[lemans411]

It's ok, you can go slow :)


Don't feel bad I'm +400# over in my class also.

my class minimum is 3100 and the lightest my car ever went over the scales was 4035. : ( time to put the car on a diet

must always go faster!

[LiL Jack]

[QUOTE=LiL Jack;5120644]You're not going to cry to the mods are you?


... if he does, i'm sure you'll be the first to know ... ;)

It wasn't that hard to figure out. I mean for chit sake Leech narrowed it down to three people before I said anything, and he is just some redneck who deer hunts!

[lemans411]

I have pics of what he has done to my Billets :) you think they looked good at PRI you haven't seen anything yet.


And no I won't port pics :)

you ****in tease! lol

[lemans411]

[QUOTE=twinturrbo406;5120667]

It wasn't that hard to figure out. I mean for chit sake Leech narrowed it down to three people before I said anything, and he is just some redneck who deer hunts!

oh no ... i thought you KNEW it was me? lmao now you're guessing?
come on now fess up do you know ? or are you guessing? and why would it be me anyway?

[twinturrbo406]

man and i got jumped all over when i asked if gaby ported his own heads or had em done elsewhere, lol


:oogle:

[LiL Jack]

Sounds like you are already laying the ground work for the light car BS???

You are the guy with the $50,000 engine, I sure hope you go faster than the 7.80's Dick laid down at Norwalk three years ago...

What happened your last day out when all of the ECM (except you) ran it's best and you ran 8.20's???


Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

I don't car how light he is come Norwalk.

And No it won't be $50,000, if I gave you $100,000 it would run the same.

Actually the last race we went an 8.06 but after disassembling the motor the walls were washed out from the over rich tune from trying a single fogger for a short time.

[lemans411]

I don't car now light he is come Norwalk.

And No it won't be $50,000, if I gave you $100,000 it would run the same.

Actually the last race we went an 8.06 but after disassembling the motor the walls were washed out from the over rich tune from trying a single fogger for a short time.

100k? holy chit if you did that he could have gaby build it and keep the $32.00 thats left for himself and not even lift a finger. ; P. win win! i kid i kid !

[twinturrbo406]

Make some exhaust come out of yours before you get to excited


... yes sir !! ... lol

[mike leech]

Mike,

We were at Norwalk in 2010 and 2011. Won "Best Engineered" in 2011. Ran 7.80's both years in the heat and bad air. And we did this without Gaby heads, Gaby intake or Dale Cubic carbs.

The reason we sat out 2012 and 2013 lands squarely in the lap of the rican and his merry band of sub-contractors. True story. I could write a book on that whole frickin' fiasco, but won't get into it now.

Will regroup and make it this year. Maybe see you there.

Dick Fulton

NO MIKE.


Why is it that the CV crowd guys will not answer a question?

Pick me I know

Because if they do it makes the point of the guy asking the question. Simple really. We both know the answer was no. I hope to meet you there too dick and I hope you fly, but before you bust his balls too bad you weren't there last year.

Thanks for the cool story about gaby and dale. I might have just said No, or nothing, or haha.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/45359088.jpg

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/45360067.jpg

[lemans411]

pretty sure he was just pointing out the fact that he ran 7.80's two years in a row at norwalk, you have too much spare time with all these pics and stuff , lmao!

EHTTBMF LOL

[mike leech]

pretty sure he was just pointing out the fact that he ran 7.80's two years in a row at norwalk, you have too much spare time with all these pics and stuff , lmao!

EHTTBMF LOL

Well i just got home from work at 1130. long day. Lets hope dick sees the humor too...I wasn't trying to say he's had no success, as he has. The question was my subtle way of getting him to realize he was not there last year while he was bustin jacks balls. Carry on

[David Holmberg]

Iron heads to the front...

[lemans411]

Well i just got home from work at 1130. long day. Lets hope dick sees the humor to...I wasn't trying to say he's had no success, as he has. The question was my subtle way of getting him to realize he was not there last year while he was bustin jacks balls. Carry on

i get it lol

ohc6ttfmf!

[Stan Weiss]

Mike,

We were at Norwalk in 2010 and 2011. Won "Best Engineered" in 2011. Ran 7.80's both years in the heat and bad air. And we did this without Gaby heads, Gaby intake or Dale Cubic carbs.

The reason we sat out 2012 and 2013 lands squarely in the lap of the rican and his merry band of sub-contractors. True story. I could write a book on that whole frickin' fiasco, but won't get into it now.

Will regroup and make it this year. Maybe see you there.

Dick Fulton


NO MIKE.


Why is it that the CV crowd guys will not answer a question?

Pick me I know

Because if they do it makes the point of the guy asking the question. Simple really. We both know the answer was no. I hope to meet you there too dick and I hope you fly, but before you bust his balls too bad you weren't there last year.

Thanks for the cool story about gaby and dale. I might have just said No, or nothing, or haha.


Mike,
Is that really to difficult for you to understand?

Stan

[mike leech]

Mike,
Is that really to difficult for you to understand?

Stan

No STAN, ITS NOT


he blamed someone else.......


YOU RETARDED?


I LAID IT OUT PRETTY CLEAR JUST FOR STUPID PEOPLE. IT WAS A YES OR NO QUESTION NOT A STORY PROBLEM.



And you forgot to sign up for the nutswinger club like your cv1 buddies....see below.
http://i929.photobucket.com/albums/ad134/tominater/swingers_zpsa951442d.png (http://s929.photobucket.com/user/tominater/media/swingers_zpsa951442d.png.html)

[mike leech]

Mike,
Is that really to difficult for you to understand?

Stan

Aren't you tired of getting kicked in the nutz for retarded posts like this? serious question. Think hard now its kinda like yes, I want more. Or no I'll just leave you alone.


YES? NO? My foot is getting sore can't we stop?

[Stan Weiss]

Mike,
I see when all else fails you turn to name calling and personal attacks.

Stan

[lemans411]

You just swing on different nuts mike . Lmao.

[GTO Tiger 572]

I'm sure Mr Gaby would be glad to post a video of him porting Jacks heads, and showing what he has done so far, a lot of porters do it.

[mike leech]

I'm sure Mr Gaby would be glad to post a video of him porting Jacks heads, and showing what he has done so far, a lot of porters do it.

So what we are going to have a show called PORT STARS? That's the dumbest thing I e heard. So you think tony personally ports heads for every customer and sends the customer a picture of him doing it as proof?

Please post pictures of lots infamous head porters doing it. Kasse, BES, Foltz, Marcella, Sanchez, Barton, etc.....


This should be good PATRICK.

[mike leech]

You just swing on different nuts mike . Lmao.

Na. I only like the girls but thanks for asking.

[mike leech]

Mike,
I see when all else fails you turn to name calling and personal attacks.

Stan

Stan. Reread your post past the part where you highlighted his answer.

If read my whole post it would be clear that had I read his whole post and you missed something. Of coarse you did do that , and knewwhat he wrote, but went about ending your quote where you did and starting your post as it best fit what you "like". I asked you a question as usual and you refused to answer as usual. I would hope the answer was no to both.

I guess not. My poor foot.....

[mike leech]

I'm sure Mr Gaby would be glad to post a video of him porting Jacks heads, and showing what he has done so far, a lot of porters do it.



http://makeameme.org/media/created/Patrick-go-be.jpg

[LiL Jack]

I'm sure Mr Gaby would be glad to post a video of him porting Jacks heads, and showing what he has done so far, a lot of porters do it.

I have pics with his phucked up old man hands in the pic. And there will be no pics on the Internet of the finished ports or a video. We are not here to educate on the finer points of head porting.

[Stan Weiss]

Stan. Reread your post past the part where you highlighted his answer.

If read my whole post it would be clear that had I read his whole post and you missed something. Of coarse you did do that , and knewwhat he wrote, but went about ending your quote where you did and starting your post as it best fit what you "like". I asked you a question as usual and you refused to answer as usual. I would hope the answer was no to both.

I guess not. My poor foot.....

Mike,
He clearly answer your question! He also gave you some other information which you did not like and so ignore his answer just went off on some tangent. But what is new, there are many times you ignore most of what a person post, go of on some I do not know what to call it, yes I do but I am trying to keep this nice. Why don't you just go make some more pictures.

Stan

[3fastgtos]

Well so much for predictions.

[GTOGEORGE]

Yea it's the same idiots all the time that screw up a thread!


GTO George

[S/st 54]

I have pics with his phucked up old man hands in the pic. And there will be no pics on the Internet of the finished ports or a video. We are not here to educate on the finer points of head porting.

Come on Jack! Leave the dads out of this! SERIOUSLY! Y'all can talk smack all ya want. But please leave the older guys out of it.Theyre the reason we are all still ate up on this Pontiac stuff!






Predictions 2014.............if Hooter goes down the track in Havana right now.......he goes in the 4's NA just sayin..........words from the horses mouth!!!!!! SINCE! The air in Havana is better than Brainerd,Cecil county,and MIR!!!!!!!!!

[Hooter]

-3000 DA. I'm pulling the carb jets altogether. Gonna need some fuel...

[mike leech]

Come on Jack! Leave the dads out of this! SERIOUSLY! Y'all can talk smack all ya want. But please leave the older guys out of it.Theyre the reason we are all still ate up on this Pontiac stuff!






Predictions 2014.............if Hooter goes down the track in Havana right now.......he goes in the 4's NA just sayin..........words from the horses mouth!!!!!! SINCE! The air in Havana is better than Brainerd,Cecil county,and MIR!!!!!!!!!

Easy tiger. I think you misunderstood what he said. He was talking about Gabby's own old man hands, not his dad.

[BruceWilkie]

Yea it's the same idiots all the time that screw up a thread!


GTO George

Hey, I never got any awards for muckin things up... just got told I was an idiot cv1 nut swinger. NBD... I'd be a real idiot to let it bother me.

I guess Mike and Jack are going to be disappointed when they wont get a "Keyboard Killer" award at Norwalk. :D .........Unless.... Maybe they add that award this year?

They better move up on their keyboard skills... cut n paste out of context is so boring... re-posting others creative videos... pathetic... make things up that arent true... kid stuff... keyboard bullying...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Anyone can do that!

Looks like a lot of competition this year.
I better practice just in case they do offer that award. Mike n Jack can fight over 2nd place, I'm taking 1st!

[LiL Jack]

Bruce, you can wave to us from the stand while we are racing at Norwalk :)

[BruceWilkie]

Bruce, you can wave to us from the stand while we are racing at Norwalk :)

You are getting too predictable Jack.... you're going to have to do better than that!

[mike leech]

Hey, I never got any awards for muckin things up... just got told I was an idiot cv1 nut swinger. NBD... I'd be a real idiot to let it bother me.

I guess Mike and Jack are going to be disappointed when they wont get a "Keyboard Killer" award at Norwalk. :D .........Unless.... Maybe they add that award this year?

They better move up on their keyboard skills... cut n paste out of context is so boring... re-posting others creative videos... pathetic... make things up that arent true... kid stuff... keyboard bullying...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Anyone can do that!

Looks like a lot of competition this year.
I better practice just in case they do offer that award. Mike n Jack can fight over 2nd place, I'm taking 1st!

ya bruce, thats it i'm real jealous.

[Jeff Kinsler]

I PREDICT THIS THREAD IS GOING TO GET DELETED. :(:(:(

[mike leech]

Yea it's the same idiots all the time that screw up a thread!


GTO George

How prophetic with a twist of irony that it was you that said IDIOT. Its too bad johnta does not have a "dislike" button....he could push it with every post I make.

[mike leech]

Mike,
He clearly answer your question! He also gave you some other information which you did not like and so ignore his answer just went off on some tangent. But what is new, there are many times you ignore most of what a person post, go of on some I do not know what to call it, yes I do but I am trying to keep this nice. Why don't you just go make some more pictures.

Stan

Why do you do this? Can't help yourself?

I'll go slow so you don't get confused. Please only attempt to read and comprehend one thought at a time....GEEZ

I already said it was a subtle question aimed at causing him to stop and realize that he was not there last year. He obviously caught that. Then posted a response that highlighted his achievements, that we all know about and admire. GREAT

Then name dropped gabby three times in a single sentence in a negative light while patting himself on the back some more.

Then blamed gaby for not making norwalk.

Then said he'll be there this year. again GREAT

Then I posted my response of, why go through all that....oh yeah to try and divert attention away from the NO he was not there.

I like mr fulton and have no "beef" with him. He is clearly pandering to you goof balls though i'm not sure why.

I made my point that I noticed he was reluctant to say NO, and that I thought the blaming of his absence on gaby was a little lame.

I'm not defending gaby, more was saying it was a poor venue for a bash.

I liked his dig on jack. Was a good one!

So did others....

Unless I blew up my engine 2 weeks prior to norwalk I would be there.

Not buying all Gabys fault. Maybe some, but I don't know.

What does any of this have to do with STAN WEISS? NOTHING!

Fulton is a big boy and does not need your defense.

I'm not into hero worship. Hes a man with fast car....COOL

CV1 nutthuggers= NOT COOL

the whole CV1 gang wanted nothing to do with him and robin racing because he had a "lightweight" "big tire" "race car" NOT FAIR.

Now that he has CV1 heads in his possession.......

YOU ALL LOVE HIM AND HIS CAR IS HEAVY AND TIRES SMALL AND ITS A STREET CAR

Its the same car.

Maybe you all could get CV1 shirts to wear and FLAGS to wave while you watch from the stands! The avatar on greatgto's other account would work

"go of on some I do not know what to call it" its called sayin it like it is Stan, NOT how YOU want it to be.

I'll make you a picture if you ask nicer.......or different. :)

[lemans411]

Na. I only like the girls but thanks for asking.
Lmao that's not what I heard. : o

[mike leech]

Lmao that's not what I heard. : o

Thats because of the crowd you "hang" "out" with. They don't have to be ashamed and repress it like The great one.

[GTOGEORGE]

Mike,
If you only was as good with your racing as you are with your tongue!

GTO George

[GTOGEORGE]

I'll predict Mike will run quicker with his mouth and computer then his car will! LOL!


GTO George

[John Langer]

I don't think it was that bad that day.

Da was 1600'. Barometer was under 30 and the heads were hurt.

[Stan Weiss]

Mike,
Since I am sure I have spend much more time than you talking with Lynn McCarty and Don Johnston about their RA V heads, what you should really make me is a RA V T-shirt. :)

But I know you will not let facts get in the way of whatever it is that you response to this post or anybody else's post. :eek:

Jus Sayin ;)
Stan

[mike leech]

Mike,
Since I am sure I have spend much more time than you talking with Lynn McCarty and Don Johnston about their RA V heads, what you should really make me is a RA V T-shirt. :)

But I know you will not let facts get in the way of whatever it is that you response to this post or anybody else's post. :eek:

Jus Sayin ;)
Stan

No facts are where its at......you aren't all oogly googly over the V stuff like i've seen you about other things....so carry on with whatever it is you do when people say carry on.

I'll make you a flag later...


Since you "talked to them" more you are an expert....I see

[65nss4spdGTO]

Why do you do this? Can't help yourself?

I'll go slow so you don't get confused. Please only attempt to read and comprehend one thought at a time....GEEZ

I already said it was a subtle question aimed at causing him to stop and realize that he was not there last year. He obviously caught that. Then posted a response that highlighted his achievements, that we all know about and admire. GREAT

Then name dropped gabby three times in a single sentence in a negative light while patting himself on the back some more.

Then blamed gaby for not making norwalk.

Then said he'll be there this year. again GREAT

Then I posted my response of, why go through all that....oh yeah to try and divert attention away from the NO he was not there.

I like mr fulton and have no "beef" with him. He is clearly pandering to you goof balls though i'm not sure why.

I made my point that I noticed he was reluctant to say NO, and that I thought the blaming of his absence on gaby was a little lame.

I'm not defending gaby, more was saying it was a poor venue for a bash.

I liked his dig on jack. Was a good one!

So did others....

Unless I blew up my engine 2 weeks prior to norwalk I would be there.

Not buying all Gabys fault. Maybe some, but I don't know.

What does any of this have to do with STAN WEISS? NOTHING!

Fulton is a big boy and does not need your defense.

I'm not into hero worship. Hes a man with fast car....COOL

CV1 nutthuggers= NOT COOL

the whole CV1 gang wanted nothing to do with him and robin racing because he had a "lightweight" "big tire" "race car" NOT FAIR.

Now that he has CV1 heads in his possession.......

YOU ALL LOVE HIM AND HIS CAR IS HEAVY AND TIRES SMALL AND ITS A STREET CAR

Its the same car.

Maybe you all could get CV1 shirts to wear and FLAGS to wave while you watch from the stands! The avatar on greatgto's other account would work

"go of on some I do not know what to call it" its called sayin it like it is Stan, NOT how YOU want it to be.

I'll make you a picture if you ask nicer.......or different. :)

Mike,
I guess I hear what you are saying, but considering I’m lumped into the CV-1 nut huggers, I thought I would respond. The first time I saw Fulton’s car was at the Cordova BOP event around 2010. The moment I had the chance to see his car, he instantly earned my respect as it is one of the best engineered Pontiac race cars I have ever seen, it’s work of art. I also posted that here (PY) as that’s how I felt after seeing the car run regardless of the heads on the car. Over the last few years I’ve had the chance to talk with Dick about cylinder head development as he felt at some point in the future he would want to make a change. We talked about Tigers, KRE HP’s, RAV’s, and CV-1’s. he was also following the progress Robin was making when Robin was active. He decided to upgrade his E-heads vs starting over as he was still “watching”. I was not involved in his decision to test CV-1’s, but him and I still had a dialog as he has purchased other items from me. His results showed merit in what he felt all along, the CV-1’s showed promise.

Dick is a big boy and can defend himself, I also know by seeing his car and the ET’s he has run he is a smart guy even though some here feel the need to take shots at him.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[mike leech]

Mike,
If you only was as good with your racing as you are with your tongue!

GTO George

I'll predict Mike will run quicker with his mouth and computer then his car will! LOL!


GTO George

Wow George....you are really good at this. You put me right in my place. As if you didn't look like a fool going what .4 faster with a Big AZZ blower and a lighter car, with bigger tires....and 2 rolls of duct tape than a NA car......WOW you are a real killer there.

[Stan Weiss]

Mike,
See the attached. Long before I joined this forum.

As I have said before I did not do the photography. But they did have my name for other reasons about the article.

But WTH these are just some more facts. ;)

Stan

[mike leech]

Mike,
I guess I hear what you are saying, but considering I’m lumped into the CV-1 nut huggers, I thought I would respond. The first time I saw Fulton’s car was at the Cordova BOP event around 2010. The moment I had the chance to see his car, he instantly earned my respect as it is one of the best engineered Pontiac race cars I have ever seen, it’s work of art. I also posted that here (PY) as that’s how I felt after seeing the car run regardless of the heads on the car. Over the last few years I’ve had the chance to talk with Dick about cylinder head development as he felt at some point in the future he would want to make a change. We talked about Tigers, KRE HP’s, RAV’s, and CV-1’s. he was also following the progress Robin was making when Robin was active. He decided to upgrade his E-heads vs starting over as he was still “watching”. I was not involved in his decision to test CV-1’s, but him and I still had a dialog as he has purchased other items from me. His results showed merit in what he felt all along, the CV-1’s showed promise.

Dick is a big boy and can defend himself, I also know by seeing his car and the ET’s he has run he is a smart guy even though some here feel the need to take shots at him.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420
Nut Hugger! LOL
Dick is a smart guy...no argument there.

That was for Stans benefit only( well maybe johnta1 too)

Not slamming Dick. Just sayin the gabby rant was not classy. He has my respect for his accomplishments and abilities. His reply was pandering to the swingers a bit. END

[mike leech]

Mike,
I guess I hear what you are saying, but considering I’m lumped into the CV-1 nut huggers, I thought I would respond. The first time I saw Fulton’s car was at the Cordova BOP event around 2010. The moment I had the chance to see his car, he instantly earned my respect as it is one of the best engineered Pontiac race cars I have ever seen, it’s work of art. I also posted that here (PY) as that’s how I felt after seeing the car run regardless of the heads on the car. Over the last few years I’ve had the chance to talk with Dick about cylinder head development as he felt at some point in the future he would want to make a change. We talked about Tigers, KRE HP’s, RAV’s, and CV-1’s. he was also following the progress Robin was making when Robin was active. He decided to upgrade his E-heads vs starting over as he was still “watching”. I was not involved in his decision to test CV-1’s, but him and I still had a dialog as he has purchased other items from me. His results showed merit in what he felt all along, the CV-1’s showed promise.

Dick is a big boy and can defend himself, I also know by seeing his car and the ET’s he has run he is a smart guy even though some here feel the need to take shots at him.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

And FWIW I'm doing small upgrades as I watch too. I just can't justify the expense.

[mike leech]

Mike,
See the attached. Long before I joined this forum.

As I have said before I did not do the photography. But they did have my name for other reasons about the article.

But WTH these are just some more facts. ;)

Stan

????cool????

[GTOGEORGE]

I'm thinking 5 tenths, if they were NASCAR cars I'd be passing you twice with my junkie duct tape bracket car ! LOL!


GTO George

[mike leech]

I'm thinking 5 tenths, if they were NASCAR cars I'd be passing you twice with my junkie duct tape bracket car ! LOL!


GTO George

Drool on blower boy.

[GTOGEORGE]

I'm Blower Boy.............and YOU just BLOW, you Closet Nut Snuggler! :) :)


GTO George

[lemans411]

Thats because of the crowd you "hang" "out" with. They don't have to be ashamed and repress it like The great one.

Lmao ! OK? Keep telling yourself that. Lol.

Ohc6ttfmf!.

[GTO Dan]

Because of all the "nut snuggler", "blowing", etc comments :gag: I offer the attached to cleanse the palette and get our priorities back on track. :D

[David Holmberg]

Because of all the "nut snuggler", "blowing", etc comments :gag: I offer the attached to cleanse the palette and get our priorities back on track. :D


One things for sure, she's not getting any duct tape. :D

[mike leech]

One things for sure, she's not getting any duct tape. :D

You haven't talked to her yet....just sayin keep it handy just in case

[twooldgoats]

One things for sure, she's not getting any duct tape. :D

Maybe a little silicone, though :rolleyes:

Jim

[Tom Vaught]

Because of all the "nut snuggler", "blowing", etc comments :gag: I offer the attached to cleanse the palette and get our priorities back on track. :D

Shades of Marilyn Monroe.

Heard a rumor that the guy in the crypt above her, at her final resting place, asked to be entombed FACEDOWN. ;)

Tom V.

[GTO Dan]

Maybe a little silicone, though :rolleyes:

Jim

Silicone? I don't care if those babies are made of wood...I like umm.

Besides that is Scarlett Johansson, I believe she is naturally aspirated and does not use any power adders. :D

[mike leech]

Real or plastic....they're all fantastic

[GTO Dan]

You haven't talked to her yet....just sayin keep it handy just in case

Reminds me of a quote I read when Christie Brinkley was getting divorced.

"Not matter how gorgeous a woman is, some guy, some where is tired of her sheite."

The attached is why Scarlett came to mind today...her banned Superbowl commercial

http://touch.orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79085532/

[BruceWilkie]

I'll predict Mike will run quicker with his mouth and computer then his car will! LOL!


GTO George

You may be on to something there. If Mikes car goes as quick as his keyboard he'll be schoolin' John Force!

[mike leech]

faster

[mjm421]

The fact is Mr. Leech is right about 90% of the time. The funny part is he kills you with your own ammo!!!

[dda72]

The fact is Mr. Leech is right about 90% of the time. The funny part is he kills you with your own ammo!!!

90% is understatement!

[mjm421]

Just tryin to be nice Dwight. lol

[Half-Inch Stud]

90% is understatement!



Been saving this one.. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fKjzfJ5oBLg

[wreckmastr]

It's almost to quiet without Patrick............:D

[mike leech]

The fact is Mr. Leech is right about 90% of the time. The funny part is he kills you with your own ammo!!!
I try...
90% is understatement!
the wife might disagree...LOL
Been saving this one.. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fKjzfJ5oBLg
LOL






JOHNTA1 JUST WENT THERMONUCLEAR!

[cgeise]

First question -- when you east coast biach'ssss going to form a wagon train and come out west to race????

Second question -- this is the racing section, what are you doing here Stan ?????

and dont pick on deer hunters -- theres nothing better, except maybe elk hunting.

And

BBTTFMF

( BIG BOOBIES TO THE FRONT MOTHER *******)

[S/st 54]

First question -- when you east coast biach'ssss going to form a wagon train and come out west to race????



I think someone told them they'd fall off of a cliff or something just west of Norwalk or something like that..........

I can't think of a reason NOT to take a old Pontiac to Vegas and run it out there......That's my kinda gambling if you ask me!................ So what if it's a .05 track. It's NICE!


Are you going to the spring fling out there Curt?

[Blued and Painted]

One things for sure, she's not getting any duct tape. :D
Silence is Golden.
Duct tape is Silver. :D

[Badbird69]

Mike,

The thrill of going racing just to go racing has long lost it's luster for me. I was bracket racing back in the 70's when there were still five amber lights on the tree. LOL. Now, since we have gone heads-up racing, the only reason to take the car out to the track is to try to improve it's performance. Therefore, it was never my intention to bring the little motor with the CV-1 heads to Norwalk. There was some chatter about that possibility here on PY, but not from me. I made our plans clear that we would run our Gaby headed 511 at Norwalk, and if time permitted, we would try the little CV motor later in the fall. As events unfolded, none of the above happened.

My motivation for building the car was to do something that hadn't been done: Run 7's in a street legal Pontiac. We compete in a heads-up street legal class at BIR. Minimum weight is 3100 lbs. But there is NO limit on cubic inches. So we are most often up against cars with much larger engines. Even so, we are right in the thick of things. Our last race we attended in 2011, we were in the finals against a 632" nitrous Camaro. It was an awesome 7 second, side by side race ....... except for the fact that we lost by .04.

Like many here, I was drawn to Gaby by reputation. We met at Norwalk in 2011 and talked about stepping up our program (so I could beat that 632" Camaro). I sent him my junk in November 2011 and he came up with a plan that included additional head porting, new sheet metal intake, higher ratio rocker arms and Dale Cubic carburetors.

I told him I needed to have the motor on the dyno by March 2012 and in the car on the track by April 2012. He assured me that would be "no problem". I took him at his word - didn't call him, didn't email him, didn't bug him - shouldn't have to. However, March came and went without any word from Florida. So, first week in April I sent an email inquiring about my junk. That's when the dance began. There followed months of excuses, broken promises, apologies, "problem vendors", etc., etc. So I was sitting on my hands, expecting heads and intake to arrive "any day now", when in fact it was just a lie. The heads didn't arrive until late July. The intake didn't arrive until after Labor Day. So there went our 2012 season.

Now, I don't have a problem with sub-contracting work, provided there are adequate project management and quality controls in place, which there were NOT. Neither the heads or the intake were useable as delivered. The intake looked like a high school shop project gone wrong. I couldn't believe my eyes. I sent a detailed email with pictures of the multiple - and I do mean multiple - machining and fitment issues. I would be embarrassed to let a product out the door like that. Once again, he was very apologetic, took full responsibility and promised that if I sent them back, they would "drop everything" and turn them around for me. I believe he was embarrassed too, and I got the feeling that he had never actually laid eyes or hands on the heads or intake. Don't know - just speculating.

I sent them back in the beginning of October 2012. End of November, I got an email stating that the intake was fixed and they were starting on the heads. Fast forward to February 2013 - still no heads and intake. Apparently our definitions of "drop everything" are different. Somewhere in this time frame, I read on PY that wreckmastr had received his Gaby intake manifold and that it was a work of art, pretty enough to display on a coffee table. I about blew a gasket.

Sent an email inquiring about my junk. Was told everything was done (heard that one before) and they just had to cut the receiver grooves in the heads. I reminded him that those were o-ring grooves, not receiver grooves. He said they would need to get additional tooling to do o-ring grooves. I told him to just send them back as is. The heads came back in March 2013 with (you guessed it) receiver grooves cut in them. Then "they" took a hammer and center punch and pounded dimples around the insides and outsides of the receiver grooves, apparently trying to crush them tight enough to hold a stainless o-ring. I don't have to tell you how well that worked out. This is just one small example of the quality of work we received. I can't make this stuff up.

Without getting into more detail, there were still machine work issues, water issues and fitment issues. While tackling these one at a time, the weeks turned into months. Finally got it pieced together and to the dyno. This motor made 920 hp four years ago. The shortblock is unchanged - just freshened. With better heads, better intake, better carbs and higher ratio rockers, it should have picked up SOMETHING, but it was an absolute lazy pig. Our best pull was only 860 hp. In the end, we could only laugh, as it was a fitting finale to two years of frustration. I took it home, rolled it into a corner, threw a blanket over it and haven't touched it since.

So there went our 2013 season and why we didn't make Norwalk. Is it all Gaby's fault? No, but a certain percentage certainly falls his way. No one is infallible. We'll find the lost horsepower. What really pisses me off is that I can't get the last two years back. That is the worst part.

DF

[LiL Jack]

First question -- when you east coast biach'ssss going to form a wagon train and come out west to race????

Second question -- this is the racing section, what are you doing here Stan ?????

and dont pick on deer hunters -- theres nothing better, except maybe elk hunting.

And

BBTTFMF

( BIG BOOBIES TO THE FRONT MOTHER *******)

ELKHUNTINGTTFMF!

[tstevea]

Mike,

The thrill of going racing just to go racing has long lost it's luster for me. I was bracket racing back in the 70's when there were still five amber lights on the tree. LOL. Now, since we have gone heads-up racing, the only reason to take the car out to the track is to try to improve it's performance. Therefore, it was never my intention to bring the little motor with the CV-1 heads to Norwalk. There was some chatter about that possibility here on PY, but not from me. I made our plans clear that we would run our Gaby headed 511 at Norwalk, and if time permitted, we would try the little CV motor later in the fall. As events unfolded, none of the above happened.

My motivation for building the car was to do something that hadn't been done: Run 7's in a street legal Pontiac. We compete in a heads-up street legal class at BIR. Minimum weight is 3100 lbs. But there is NO limit on cubic inches. So we are most often up against cars with much larger engines. Even so, we are right in the thick of things. Our last race we attended in 2011, we were in the finals against a 632" nitrous Camaro. It was an awesome 7 second, side by side race ....... except for the fact that we lost by .04.

Like many here, I was drawn to Gaby by reputation. We met at Norwalk in 2011 and talked about stepping up our program (so I could beat that 632" Camaro). I sent him my junk in November 2011 and he came up with a plan that included additional head porting, new sheet metal intake, higher ratio rocker arms and Dale Cubic carburetors.

I told him I needed to have the motor on the dyno by March 2012 and in the car on the track by April 2012. He assured me that would be "no problem". I took him at his word - didn't call him, didn't email him, didn't bug him - shouldn't have to. However, March came and went without any word from Florida. So, first week in April I sent an email inquiring about my junk. That's when the dance began. There followed months of excuses, broken promises, apologies, "problem vendors", etc., etc. So I was sitting on my hands, expecting heads and intake to arrive "any day now", when in fact it was just a lie. The heads didn't arrive until late July. The intake didn't arrive until after Labor Day. So there went our 2012 season.

Now, I don't have a problem with sub-contracting work, provided there are adequate project management and quality controls in place, which there were NOT. Neither the heads or the intake were useable as delivered. The intake looked like a high school shop project gone wrong. I couldn't believe my eyes. I sent a detailed email with pictures of the multiple - and I do mean multiple - machining and fitment issues. I would be embarrassed to let a product out the door like that. Once again, he was very apologetic, took full responsibility and promised that if I sent them back, they would "drop everything" and turn them around for me. I believe he was embarrassed too, and I got the feeling that he had never actually laid eyes or hands on the heads or intake. Don't know - just speculating.

I sent them back in the beginning of October 2012. End of November, I got an email stating that the intake was fixed and they were starting on the heads. Fast forward to February 2013 - still no heads and intake. Apparently our definitions of "drop everything" are different. Somewhere in this time frame, I read on PY that wreckmastr had received his Gaby intake manifold and that it was a work of art, pretty enough to display on a coffee table. I about blew a gasket.

Sent an email inquiring about my junk. Was told everything was done (heard that one before) and they just had to cut the receiver grooves in the heads. I reminded him that those were o-ring grooves, not receiver grooves. He said they would need to get additional tooling to do o-ring grooves. I told him to just send them back as is. The heads came back in March 2013 with (you guessed it) receiver grooves cut in them. Then "they" took a hammer and center punch and pounded dimples around the insides and outsides of the receiver grooves, apparently trying to crush them tight enough to hold a stainless o-ring. I don't have to tell you how well that worked out. This is just one small example of the quality of work we received. I can't make this stuff up.

Without getting into more detail, there were still machine work issues, water issues and fitment issues. While tackling these one at a time, the weeks turned into months. Finally got it pieced together and to the dyno. This motor made 920 hp four years ago. The shortblock is unchanged - just freshened. With better heads, better intake, better carbs and higher ratio rockers, it should have picked up SOMETHING, but it was an absolute lazy pig. Our best pull was only 860 hp. In the end, we could only laugh, as it was a fitting finale to two years of frustration. I took it home, rolled it into a corner, threw a blanket over it and haven't touched it since.

So there went our 2013 season and why we didn't make Norwalk. Is it all Gaby's fault? No, but a certain percentage certainly falls his way. No one is infallible. We'll find the lost horsepower. What really pisses me off is that I can't get the last two years back. That is the worst part.

DF

Wow... Hope to see your car back out soon ..Awesome car

[grandville455]

Mike,

The thrill of going racing just to go racing has long lost it's luster for me. I was bracket racing back in the 70's when there were still five amber lights on the tree. LOL. Now, since we have gone heads-up racing, the only reason to take the car out to the track is to try to improve it's performance. Therefore, it was never my intention to bring the little motor with the CV-1 heads to Norwalk. There was some chatter about that possibility here on PY, but not from me. I made our plans clear that we would run our Gaby headed 511 at Norwalk, and if time permitted, we would try the little CV motor later in the fall. As events unfolded, none of the above happened.

My motivation for building the car was to do something that hadn't been done: Run 7's in a street legal Pontiac. We compete in a heads-up street legal class at BIR. Minimum weight is 3100 lbs. But there is NO limit on cubic inches. So we are most often up against cars with much larger engines. Even so, we are right in the thick of things. Our last race we attended in 2011, we were in the finals against a 632" nitrous Camaro. It was an awesome 7 second, side by side race ....... except for the fact that we lost by .04.

Like many here, I was drawn to Gaby by reputation. We met at Norwalk in 2011 and talked about stepping up our program (so I could beat that 632" Camaro). I sent him my junk in November 2011 and he came up with a plan that included additional head porting, new sheet metal intake, higher ratio rocker arms and Dale Cubic carburetors.

I told him I needed to have the motor on the dyno by March 2012 and in the car on the track by April 2012. He assured me that would be "no problem". I took him at his word - didn't call him, didn't email him, didn't bug him - shouldn't have to. However, March came and went without any word from Florida. So, first week in April I sent an email inquiring about my junk. That's when the dance began. There followed months of excuses, broken promises, apologies, "problem vendors", etc., etc. So I was sitting on my hands, expecting heads and intake to arrive "any day now", when in fact it was just a lie. The heads didn't arrive until late July. The intake didn't arrive until after Labor Day. So there went our 2012 season.

Now, I don't have a problem with sub-contracting work, provided there are adequate project management and quality controls in place, which there were NOT. Neither the heads or the intake were useable as delivered. The intake looked like a high school shop project gone wrong. I couldn't believe my eyes. I sent a detailed email with pictures of the multiple - and I do mean multiple - machining and fitment issues. I would be embarrassed to let a product out the door like that. Once again, he was very apologetic, took full responsibility and promised that if I sent them back, they would "drop everything" and turn them around for me. I believe he was embarrassed too, and I got the feeling that he had never actually laid eyes or hands on the heads or intake. Don't know - just speculating.

I sent them back in the beginning of October 2012. End of November, I got an email stating that the intake was fixed and they were starting on the heads. Fast forward to February 2013 - still no heads and intake. Apparently our definitions of "drop everything" are different. Somewhere in this time frame, I read on PY that wreckmastr had received his Gaby intake manifold and that it was a work of art, pretty enough to display on a coffee table. I about blew a gasket.

Sent an email inquiring about my junk. Was told everything was done (heard that one before) and they just had to cut the receiver grooves in the heads. I reminded him that those were o-ring grooves, not receiver grooves. He said they would need to get additional tooling to do o-ring grooves. I told him to just send them back as is. The heads came back in March 2013 with (you guessed it) receiver grooves cut in them. Then "they" took a hammer and center punch and pounded dimples around the insides and outsides of the receiver grooves, apparently trying to crush them tight enough to hold a stainless o-ring. I don't have to tell you how well that worked out. This is just one small example of the quality of work we received. I can't make this stuff up.

Without getting into more detail, there were still machine work issues, water issues and fitment issues. While tackling these one at a time, the weeks turned into months. Finally got it pieced together and to the dyno. This motor made 920 hp four years ago. The shortblock is unchanged - just freshened. With better heads, better intake, better carbs and higher ratio rockers, it should have picked up SOMETHING, but it was an absolute lazy pig. Our best pull was only 860 hp. In the end, we could only laugh, as it was a fitting finale to two years of frustration. I took it home, rolled it into a corner, threw a blanket over it and haven't touched it since.

So there went our 2013 season and why we didn't make Norwalk. Is it all Gaby's fault? No, but a certain percentage certainly falls his way. No one is infallible. We'll find the lost horsepower. What really pisses me off is that I can't get the last two years back. That is the worst part.

DF

Man That really blows!! Sorry Dick :(
Just to add my Opinion ,people stick alot of MONEY into their cars these days and for anyone to bash another on their cars or what their building is just down right rude period!
Hope to see your car out this year, It truly is a work of art!

[GTO Dan]

Dick -

It is difficult to go through something like this and many times just as hard to write about it. I appreciate your candor and willingness to share this in an objective manner and simply stating the facts.

There are always two sides to any situation, but you have made your side clear. Short of the loss of time I hope, to some degree, this was or will be addressed to some level of satisfaction.

No person, business or industry is perfect, so things like this can happen even to the best customers and businesses, but it is still difficult to read and certainly endure.

Good luck and I sincerely wish you smoother sailing this year.

[mike leech]

DICK,
WELL...whewww...dam it.

I hope you get your program back on track soon. We are very similar in that this game for me is not about writing numbers on the windshield and letting off the throttle to win. Its a horsepower generation and in car application game for me.

I was the happiest guy to breakout in the Norwalk q16 last year, promise thats true.

Hopefully you can put this behind you and move on. All bitter divorces are difficult to process....just this one is unmet expectations on car parts instead of life partners. Don't know the other side or really want to hear it. Gabys been a good guy to me although not a customer of his, I'd sure think something very out of the ordinary happened here.

The sooner you let go of the bitterness the sooner YOU will be enjoying your hobby again.

So what are your predictions? What heads you gonna run? If and I say IF you run CVs and bust some azz....that'd be good for you and "COOL and the GANG"

Lets meet up at norwalk and have a cigar....I don't drink so you can have my beer for me :)

[J.C.you]

:eek: as we say here...the crawfish went into its hole.

[mike leech]

First question -- when you east coast biach'ssss going to form a wagon train and come out west to race????

Second question -- this is the racing section, what are you doing here Stan ?????

and dont pick on deer hunters -- theres nothing better, except maybe elk hunting.

And

BBTTFMF

( BIG BOOBIES TO THE FRONT MOTHER *******)

big boobies works. was thinking more like big bucks.....2013 was a good year!

[Stan Weiss]

First question -- when you east coast biach'ssss going to form a wagon train and come out west to race????

Second question -- this is the racing section, what are you doing here Stan ?????

and dont pick on deer hunters -- theres nothing better, except maybe elk hunting.

And

BBTTFMF

( BIG BOOBIES TO THE FRONT MOTHER *******)

Excellent question.

This is the Race Section Under Pontiac Tech

When I first started posting here there was a good number of technical threads. But for the past few month there has been much less technical discussions and much more **** threads.

So I am in the process of reevaluating what if any value this section (Race) has.

Clearly the Street and Boost section still have a great variety in topics and discussion.

Stan

[johnta1]

Excellent question.

This is the Race Section Under Pontiac Tech

When I first started posting here there was a good number of technical threads. But for the past few month there has been much less technical discussions and much more **** threads.

So I am in the process of reevaluating what if any value this section (Race) has.

Clearly the Street and Boost section still have a great variety in topics and discussion.

I agree fully.

This used to be a great section, but now it's the 'Clubhouse' worse than the 'Lobby' where most of these posts belong.

Where's the 'technical' or 'race' stuff is, I don't know.
And no EHTTFMF is not race or technical.

Also thought the name calling, back stabbing, etc was not allowed.

But I guess if your an ECM fan it is OK.

:(

I really thought when you came on this board it would really help the racers out.
Along with some of the other people that have came along also like Chad S. and others it was starting to get good.

But if we wanted a 'YB' type board we could always go there.

That is the main reason I don't go there is too much blowing and posturing and no real substance.

Guess it's time to find something else also.

:(

[mike leech]

Excellent question.

This is the Race Section Under Pontiac Tech

When I first started posting here there was a good number of technical threads. But for the past few month there has been much less technical discussions and much more **** threads.

So I am in the process of reevaluating what if any value this section (Race) has.

Clearly the Street and Boost section still have a great variety in topics and discussion.

Stan

Stan,

Relax I'm not about to slam you. By technical discussions do you mean theoretical discussions of hypothesis and Ideas?

Or more like discussions on various parts,methods, and procedures to advance a particular racer in need of help or possibly us all.

Or does it look more like a couple guys discussing their Ideas and theories completely unchecked. Those theories and hypothesis are the GOLDEN rule and whomever has the best IDEA wins regardless of facts or some racers experience IN THAT VERY AREA.


THERES A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE HERE IN THE RACE SECTION.

lots of us help each other out of problems and improve each others combos. Some are only here to gain or share knowledge....thats cool too. The problems start when there is no separation between IDEAS and EXPERIENCE. THEN BACK AND FORTH. 9 times out of 10 that back and forth is someone with actual experience and more usable data asking for the IDEA to be verified with some facts.......THE SHEIT HITS THE FAN WHEN THE DANCE STARTS. Somewhere in here we need to insert the cheerleaders of products and vendors because of philosophy or emotional attachment, or detachment. Saying the IA2 sucks and the MR1 is the BEST while owning neither is just RIDICULOUS! If you examined the 2 and have an opinion fine....state it as such and move on. Same for heads.....and before either side gets all excited.....BOTH sides are evaluating each others performance. Failing to recognize the performance or lack of on either side makes you an emotional weiner. LOVE your favorite football team...hate the other guys if you want. This math and physics not an allegiance sport.

Would make for more useful and enjoyable forum if the IDEA guys would just say " why no I don't have any proof to back that up......Do you have some particular experience or useful data that you can share?" Both sides can potentially learn something here. The Idea guys can contribute as well as I'm always interested in ways to make hp or go faster with what I have...and so are others.

I won't sit idle while theories are discussed as facts. If you even have a reasonable argument for you theory OK cool I'll listen. But If guys want to feel like a big shot and say things that may cause just one person to waste their hard earned money......there are going to be folks to set the record strait. Just how it is

[mike leech]

I agree fully.

This used to be a great section, but now it's the 'Clubhouse' worse than the 'Lobby' where most of these posts belong.

Where's the 'technical' or 'race' stuff is, I don't know.
And no EHTTFMF is not race or technical.

Also thought the name calling, back stabbing, etc was not allowed.

But I guess if your an ECM fan it is OK.

:(

I really thought when you came on this board it would really help the racers out.
Along with some of the other people that have came along also like Chad S. and others it was starting to get good.

But if we wanted a 'YB' type board we could always go there.

That is the main reason I don't go there is too much blowing and posturing and no real substance.

Guess it's time to find something else also.

:(

JOHN,

Relax I'm not about to slam you. By technical discussions do you mean theoretical discussions of hypothesis and Ideas?

Or more like discussions on various parts,methods, and procedures to advance a particular racer in need of help or possibly us all.

Or does it look more like a couple guys discussing their Ideas and theories completely unchecked. Those theories and hypothesis are the GOLDEN rule and whomever has the best IDEA wins regardless of facts or some racers experience IN THAT VERY AREA.


THERES A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE HERE IN THE RACE SECTION.

lots of us help each other out of problems and improve each others combos. Some are only here to gain or share knowledge....thats cool too. The problems start when there is no separation between IDEAS and EXPERIENCE. THEN BACK AND FORTH. 9 times out of 10 that back and forth is someone with actual experience and more usable data asking for the IDEA to be verified with some facts.......THE SHEIT HITS THE FAN WHEN THE DANCE STARTS. Somewhere in here we need to insert the cheerleaders of products and vendors because of philosophy or emotional attachment, or detachment. Saying the IA2 sucks and the MR1 is the BEST while owning neither is just RIDICULOUS! If you examined the 2 and have an opinion fine....state it as such and move on. Same for heads.....and before either side gets all excited.....BOTH sides are evaluating each others performance. Failing to recognize the performance or lack of on either side makes you an emotional weiner. LOVE your favorite football team...hate the other guys if you want. This math and physics not an allegiance sport.

Would make for more useful and enjoyable forum if the IDEA guys would just say " why no I don't have any proof to back that up......Do you have some particular experience or useful data that you can share?" Both sides can potentially learn something here. The Idea guys can contribute as well as I'm always interested in ways to make hp or go faster with what I have...and so are others.

I won't sit idle while theories are discussed as facts. If you even have a reasonable argument for you theory OK cool I'll listen. But If guys want to feel like a big shot and say things that may cause just one person to waste their hard earned money......there are going to be folks to set the record strait. Just how it is

[wreckmastr]

ECMTTFMF








:D :censored:

[David Holmberg]

Stan, its called "Cabin fever" and has happened every winter since PY went online. (And isn't limited to PY by any means)

As we get closer to spring people start to reveal what their winter projects were and improvements that were made.

This is a member driven board, if the members want more tech then ask more questions. There are tech questions being posted, but most members are snowed out of their garage.

[John Langer]

This motor made 920 hp four years ago. The shortblock is unchanged - just freshened. With better heads, better intake, better carbs and higher ratio rockers, it should have picked up SOMETHING, but it was an absolute lazy pig. Our best pull was only 860 hp. In the end, we could only laugh, as it was a fitting finale to two years of frustration. I took it home, rolled it into a corner, threw a blanket over it and haven't touched it since.

DF

Was the 920 with eheads and 860 w cv heads or both w cv heads. Not starting **** just asking for clarification.

[Tom Vaught]

Was the 920 with eheads and 860 w cv heads or both w cv heads. Not starting **** just asking for clarification.

Thanks John for the question. I was not sure about that deal either. Only E-Heads, E-Heads vs CV heads, etc.

Tom V.

PS Gaby's hands were %5%hit for a good while now so he would have to respond on if he actually did the porting.

[mjm421]

I believe both were with E heads.

[John Langer]

I thought he scrapped the e heads and went with the cv heads hence my question???? Was the cam right for the new top end since it was the old short block?

[mjm421]

I thought he scrapped the e heads and went with the cv heads hence my question???? Was the cam right for the new top end since it was the old short block?

"This motor made 920 hp four years ago." I could be wrong John, but I don't think he was running the cv's 4 years ago.

[2manyponchos]

Fairly certain the cv's have nothing to do with the 2 dyno numbers mentioned. Think it was comparable tests with eheads before and after.

[lemans411]

Was the 920 with eheads and 860 w cv heads or both w cv heads. Not starting **** just asking for clarification.

The 920hp was with his e head wide ports. the 860 hp was with same shortblock with gaby e head upgrade (same e heads just worked over by gaby ), gaby intake and carbs is what i understand to be the truth. if you read his post again he explains it fairly well i thought. maybe he will post and clarify as its best to come from him.

[Torment]

Dick had E's on his car in 2011, and his post says Gaby did Eheads for him - so Ehead, Ehead.

[john marcella]

I agree fully.

This used to be a great section, but now it's the 'Clubhouse' worse than the 'Lobby' where most of these posts belong.

Where's the 'technical' or 'race' stuff is, I don't know.
And no EHTTFMF is not race or technical.

Also thought the name calling, back stabbing, etc was not allowed.

But I guess if your an ECM fan it is OK.

:(

I really thought when you came on this board it would really help the racers out.
Along with some of the other people that have came along also like Chad S. and others it was starting to get good.

But if we wanted a 'YB' type board we could always go there.

That is the main reason I don't go there is too much blowing and posturing and no real substance.

Guess it's time to find something else also.

:(



You are the worst MFr here on that. You must have directly insulted my intelligence 10 frickin times in the rambling thread.

[mike leech]

You are the worst MFr here on that. You must have directly insulted my intelligence 10 frickin times in the rambling thread.

Without asking one question as to your experience with them!

[v869tr6]

I predict my car will get used at a few different events on the bucket list.
Wondering if I have the balls to try a 1/2 or 1 mile race.

[mike leech]

Do it!

[bad69bird]

I predict my car will get used at a few different events on the bucket list.
Wondering if I have the balls to try a 1/2 or 1 mile race.

You don't have any balls if you don't try it! :D LOL

[v869tr6]

Open top, butt 7" off the ground, plenty of torque and enough gear with the converter locked for 203 mph at 5500 rpm, what could possible go wrong???

[Rob B]

Open top, butt 7" off the ground, plenty of torque and enough gear with the converter locked for 203 mph at 5500 rpm, what could possible go wrong???

Thats easy, to much ass puckering at the 3/4 mile point leading into a full scale Chitting of your pants at the slightest bump in the road!!! ;)

[cgeise]

The 920hp was with his e head wide ports. the 860 hp was with same shortblock with gaby e head upgrade (same e heads just worked over by gaby ), gaby intake and carbs is what i understand to be the truth. if you read his post again he explains it fairly well i thought. maybe he will post and clarify as its best to come from him.

So let me get this straight -- you have an Engine that made 920 hp -- you get you heads modified to replicate the same program that had made at or near 1000 hp and you can -- as your own engine builder -- only get 860 hp out of the deal -- Do you see where the problem lies with pointing fingers at " the other guy " ???

I know there are two sides two every story - and communication errors happen -- its how there addressed that is the defining point.

[mjm421]

What exactly are you trying to say Curt?

[mike leech]

Rut ro relroy

[Half-Inch Stud]

Time for some INTROspection: http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plpp&list=WL&v=tnt0RknIklI

[mike leech]

Was that an intentional pun?

[cgeise]

What Im saying is -- just like ANY engine -- the combo has to be right to make it produce, How many cams do you think Comp cams sells and in one engine it makes a 100 hp more than another -- same cam - different combination. We see it stated all the time here and most live by that creedo - what may be a good port, good cam , good head ect.ect for one guy may not work for another guy if his combination is different or wrong to maximize it. Point is if the heads worked on a number of other cars and applications but they didnt on yours just maybe its not the heads, Im not trying to take a shot at you but im trying to explain the logic behind my statement.

[mike leech]

fair nuff

[Jim Zeek]

Also thought the name calling, back stabbing, etc was not allowed.

:(

hello pot this is kettle

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnta1 View Post
Look at how selling a block to an idiot turned out.


you never did answer my question of who you were talking about. come to think about it, you didn't post again in that thread after i asked who you were referring to

[3fastgtos]

He never answered my question on why he'd never buy an IA2 block either.

[mike leech]

YA! and he never answered this question of Mine....
JOHN,

Relax I'm not about to slam you. By technical discussions do you mean theoretical discussions of hypothesis and Ideas?

Or more like discussions on various parts,methods, and procedures to advance a particular racer in need of help or possibly us all.

Or does it look more like a couple guys discussing their Ideas and theories completely unchecked. Those theories and hypothesis are the GOLDEN rule and whomever has the best IDEA wins regardless of facts or some racers experience IN THAT VERY AREA

WELL?

[Half-Inch Stud]

Was that an intentional pun?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vjmBQZNG8L0

[Tom Vaught]

I predict my car will get used at a few different events on the bucket list.
Wondering if I have the balls to try a 1/2 or 1 mile race.

Sure you do!

Ohio Mile, Texas Mile, or Bonneville. Any of the three would count on the list.

Good luck if you decide to try one of them.

Tom Vaught

[Scott Roberts]

Quote:
Originally Posted by johnta1 View Post
Look at how selling a block to an idiot turned out.

I got a $1000 bucks says he wont say to the persons face he was referring to..:eek: He is just butt hurt because that "idiot" was right about the block...

[mike leech]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vjmBQZNG8L0

You got some weird azz music dude

[v869tr6]

Thats easy, to much ass puckering at the 3/4 mile point leading into a full scale Chitting of your pants at the slightest bump in the road!!! ;)

Best I can figure a mile would be somewhere around 23 to 25 seconds after the start, how big of a mess could I make in that much time? LOL

[v869tr6]

Sure you do!

Ohio Mile, Texas Mile, or Bonneville. Any of the three would count on the list.

Good luck if you decide to try one of them.

Tom Vaught

Thanks Tom, thinking about doing a stand 1/2 mile first.
My car seems good at up to 157 on the strip, doesn't move around at all.
I hear things can change a lot as speeds increase.

[Blued and Painted]

You got some weird azz music dude I Know thats right.
Here's something the go faster guys might like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szjQ0VOWl2E

[David Holmberg]

I Know thats right.
Here's something the go faster guys might like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szjQ0VOWl2E

They Rock!

[lemans411]

What Im saying is -- just like ANY engine -- the combo has to be right to make it produce, How many cams do you think Comp cams sells and in one engine it makes a 100 hp more than another -- same cam - different combination. We see it stated all the time here and most live by that creedo - what may be a good port, good cam , good head ect.ect for one guy may not work for another guy if his combination is different or wrong to maximize it. Point is if the heads worked on a number of other cars and applications but they didnt on yours just maybe its not the heads, Im not trying to take a shot at you but im trying to explain the logic behind my statement.

i think you guys are missing the fact that besides the drop in hp he was given an intake that didnt fit and looked like a "shop class" built it lol, i think he was more disappointed with the missed deadlines ( by a lot ) and poor quality, maybe the cam wasnt ideal for the new top end . but when it looks like they took a hammer and chisel to the deck to hold the o ring wire in.... thats a problem. pretty sure he was more concerned with the quality of the work performed. l.j. and kinsler had good results with gaby . thats awesome, but fulton didnt, and didnt go into details until ecm kept trying to come up with excuses why it was b.s. then he posted the story . i wouldnt be surprised if pics followed. only dick and gaby KNOW the truth 100%. just my $.02 not that you guys care.

[Badbird69]

Curt,

I realize you are the latest poster boy for Gaby and therefore want to defend him. I understand that. There are two things you should know: 1) Gaby was given our cam specs and at no time did he make any cam change recommendations. 2) Changing from a 1.6 rocker to a 1.85 rocker is already a significant "cam change". Is the cam perfect for the "improved" top end? No, but it is close. Close enough to have made some base line numbers to tune from. I am not asking for help diagnosing our power loss. We'll deal with that in house.

Losing power is merely a footnote in this two year fiasco. Having to sit on the sidelines for two years while our competition catches up to us infuriates me. Having to watch two years of re-certifications go to waste infuriates me. Being lied to month after month infuriates me. Getting shoddy workmanship from some unknown sub-contractor, instead of the artwork that Gaby is known for, infuriates me. Having to do things twice infuriates me. Having to do it over a third time infuriates me even more.

Again, is it all Gaby's fault? No, but to have allowed this project to get so far behind and so fouled up is ultimately his responsibility. As you can tell, I am more upset about losing the two years than anything else. We have a lot of ground to make up.

Dick Fulton

[Half-Inch Stud]

You got some weird azz music dude

some folks are built for comfort , others built for speed.

just playing with ya; figured you might crank it up for the family members. Hope to see you at Norwalk 2014, & figure out why your combo runs so quick.

[Tom Vaught]

Curt,

I realize you are the latest poster boy for Gaby and therefore want to defend him. I understand that. There are two things you should know: 1) Gaby was given our cam specs and at no time did he make any cam change recommendations. 2) Changing from a 1.6 rocker to a 1.85 rocker is already a significant "cam change". Is the cam perfect for the "improved" top end? No, but it is close. Close enough to have made some base line numbers to tune from. I am not asking for help diagnosing our power loss. We'll deal with that in house.

Losing power is merely a footnote in this two year fiasco. Having to sit on the sidelines for two years while our competition catches up to us infuriates me. Having to watch two years of re-certifications go to waste infuriates me. Being lied to month after month infuriates me. Getting shoddy workmanship from some unknown sub-contractor, instead of the artwork that Gaby is known for, infuriates me. Having to do things twice infuriates me. Having to do it over a third time infuriates me even more.

Again, is it all Gaby's fault? No, but to have allowed this project to get so far behind and so fouled up is ultimately his responsibility. As you can tell, I am more upset about losing the two years than anything else. We have a lot of ground to make up.

Dick Fulton

Agree with you about the TIME deal. You can't ever get that back.
That being said, lately you can read posts about Heads with screwed up seats, (according to the owner). Blocks that were improperly machined, Intake manifolds possibly made by a sub-contractor that needed additional work, Headers that don't fit, Valvetrain that doesn't look right, yada, yada, yada.

So is the PY board a bad place for posting this info, not really.
Info just tells the people buying that it is not a perfect world out there.

BE PREPARED for less than you expected. BE HAPPY when you see outstanding work like the "Magic Man's" stuff. Course MM is making the stuff for FRANK.

Even FRANK has issues with stuff not always being dead nuts on the money at times.

But don't let it drag you down Dick, because that is water over the dam now.
Climb back into the saddle and start a new day. You are still here, breathing.
Beats the chit out of the alternative. Lets go racing in 2014!

Tom Vaught

[mike leech]

some folks are built for comfort , others built for speed.

just playing with ya; figured you might crank it up for the family members. Hope to see you at Norwalk 2014, & figure out why your combo runs so quick.

I was hoping you would come back and hang out with us again....bringing a bigger BBQ this year. And a 71 455ho t37 for the kid to drive in the street class

[cgeise]

Curt,

I realize you are the latest poster boy for Gaby and therefore want to defend him. I understand that. There are two things you should know: 1) Gaby was given our cam specs and at no time did he make any cam change recommendations. 2) Changing from a 1.6 rocker to a 1.85 rocker is already a significant "cam change". Is the cam perfect for the "improved" top end? No, but it is close. Close enough to have made some base line numbers to tune from. I am not asking for help diagnosing our power loss. We'll deal with that in house.

Losing power is merely a footnote in this two year fiasco. Having to sit on the sidelines for two years while our competition catches up to us infuriates me. Having to watch two years of re-certifications go to waste infuriates me. Being lied to month after month infuriates me. Getting shoddy workmanship from some unknown sub-contractor, instead of the artwork that Gaby is known for, infuriates me. Having to do things twice infuriates me. Having to do it over a third time infuriates me even more.

Again, is it all Gaby's fault? No, but to have allowed this project to get so far behind and so fouled up is ultimately his responsibility. As you can tell, I am more upset about losing the two years than anything else. We have a lot of ground to make up.

Dick Fulton

I can only relate given MY experience - remember perception is reality. And the statement that only you and Gabby know the complete story -- and you each have your own "reality", that being said I can only comment on what I have experienced and that is that Gabby has been nothing but fair and up front with me - AND produced the results promised. Have we had disagrements, sure, did he handle them as an absolute proffesional -- absolutley, I can't say the same about some other shops that come here and spout off about there products or programs. My point still is -- if you have the same product that many others have made very succesfull and you cannot duplicate the results, is it the product or the end user -- And where do you mention the complete new manifold that you were provided to address the quality issues of the first ??? It does sound like an honest effort was made to resolve the issues - I do understand about the time, but to be honest Id NEVER WAIT for two years to get stuff together-- not unless I excepted at least some of the blame for the issues at hand and felt the time issue was a shared event. Some times " relationships" just dont work and everyone needs to move on, If one side is a complete dick - thats the time to throw stones - if both sides just can not find middle ground to work on - time to move on.

[60man]

No slobber, just a prediction!
Another prediction..........all 7 sec. Door Car field for the Quick 16!


GTO George

Huh???.....Don"t know about slobber....what you drinking???,,
I'll take some.....:D

[mike leech]

Huh???.....Don"t know about slobber....what you drinking???,,
I'll take some.....:D

the koolaide....you don't want any troy.

[65nss4spdGTO]

My point still is -- if you have the same product that many others have made very succesfull and you cannot duplicate the results, is it the product or the end user -- And where do you mention the complete new manifold that you were provided to address the quality issues of the first ??? It does sound like an honest effort was made to resolve the issues - I do understand about the time, but to be honest Id NEVER WAIT for two years to get stuff together-- not unless I excepted at least some of the blame for the issues at hand and felt the time issue was a shared event. Some times " relationships" just dont work and everyone needs to move on, If one side is a complete dick - thats the time to throw stones - if both sides just can not find middle ground to work on - time to move on.

I keep seeing stones being thrown towards Dick as if he is incompetent. He made 920 HP (with 13.5 to 1 compression) with a set of Butler wide ports and a manifold by KRE. His car has run well into the 7's @ over 3000 lbs on a hot summer day at Norwalk, who else can say that?

As far as issues, **** can happen and it's how things get resolved is what makes the difference IMO. Nothing bothers me more than a dissatisfied customer (fortunately I have not had many). Having an adult conversation about what happened and the best course to correct it can make the difference as this is a small community and paths can likely cross again in the future. A fair amount of time has passed, 2 years ago when Dick was frustrated, he didn't come in here and blast Gaby and it wasn't until "shots were fired" that brought this out.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[mike leech]

I keep seeing stones being thrown towards Dick as if he is incompetent. He made 920 HP (with 13.5 to 1 compression) with a set of Butler wide ports and a manifold by KRE. His car has run well into the 7's @ over 3000 lbs on a hot summer day at Norwalk, who else can say that?

As far as issues, **** can happen and it's how things get resolved is what makes the difference IMO. Nothing bothers me more than a dissatisfied customer (fortunately I have not had many). Having an adult conversation about what happened and the best course to correct it can make the difference as this is a small community and paths can likely cross again in the future. A fair amount of time has passed, 2 years ago when Dick was frustrated, he didn't come in here and blast Gaby and it wasn't until "shots were fired" that brought this out.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

Theres quite a few stones been thrown Gaby's way too. I have no dog in the fight....but the guys who have been happy with the performance Gaby delivered them, Have a right to be skeptical and point out that they were satisfied customers.

[LiL Jack]

I keep seeing stones being thrown towards Dick as if he is incompetent. He made 920 HP (with 13.5 to 1 compression) with a set of Butler wide ports and a manifold by KRE. His car has run well into the 7's @ over 3000 lbs on a hot summer day at Norwalk, who else can say that?

As far as issues, **** can happen and it's how things get resolved is what makes the difference IMO. Nothing bothers me more than a dissatisfied customer (fortunately I have not had many). Having an adult conversation about what happened and the best course to correct it can make the difference as this is a small community and paths can likely cross again in the future. A fair amount of time has passed, 2 years ago when Dick was frustrated, he didn't come in here and blast Gaby and it wasn't until "shots were fired" that brought this out.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420



I wish I had a 3000# car.

I suspect that you are doing Dick Fulton new CV1 motor?
:)

[65nss4spdGTO]

I wish I had a 3000# car.

I suspect that you are doing Dick Fulton new CV1 motor?
:)

No I'm not.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[65nss4spdGTO]

Theres quite a few stones been thrown Gaby's way too. I have no dog in the fight....but the guys who have been happy with the performance Gaby delivered them, Have a right to be skeptical and point out that they were satisfied customers.

Mike,

Reread Dicks post. He's not bitching about the performance as much as the other things.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

[mike leech]

Mike,

Reread Dicks post. He's not bitching about the performance as much as the other things.

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

I get that.....doesn't change my post or opinion. Or Dicks, or gabys customers...

I really don't have an opinion other than a bad deal for all.

[GTO Dan]

Dick -

I was hesitant to ask this question because I don't want it to appear I am starting sheite. But I really am curious and looking for clarification. When you ran your back to back ehead to CV1 test, were you using the eheads that made 920 hp, 860 hp or a different set?

Dan

[EPC_Motorsports]

Agree with you about the TIME deal. You can't ever get that back.
That being said, lately you can read posts about Heads with screwed up seats, (according to the owner). Blocks that were improperly machined, Intake manifolds possibly made by a sub-contractor that needed additional work, Headers that don't fit, Valvetrain that doesn't look right, yada, yada, yada.

So is the PY board a bad place for posting this info, not really.
Info just tells the people buying that it is not a perfect world out there.

BE PREPARED for less than you expected. BE HAPPY when you see outstanding work like the "Magic Man's" stuff. Course MM is making the stuff for FRANK.

Even FRANK has issues with stuff not always being dead nuts on the money at times.

But don't let it drag you down Dick, because that is water over the dam now.
Climb back into the saddle and start a new day. You are still here, breathing.
Beats the chit out of the alternative. Lets go racing in 2014!

Tom Vaught

Well said Tom, Lets get to racing in 2014 . This cold weather is getting old!

[Stan Weiss]

Stan,

Relax I'm not about to slam you. By technical discussions do you mean theoretical discussions of hypothesis and Ideas?

Or more like discussions on various parts,methods, and procedures to advance a particular racer in need of help or possibly us all.

Or does it look more like a couple guys discussing their Ideas and theories completely unchecked. Those theories and hypothesis are the GOLDEN rule and whomever has the best IDEA wins regardless of facts or some racers experience IN THAT VERY AREA.


THERES A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE HERE IN THE RACE SECTION.

lots of us help each other out of problems and improve each others combos. Some are only here to gain or share knowledge....thats cool too. The problems start when there is no separation between IDEAS and EXPERIENCE. THEN BACK AND FORTH. 9 times out of 10 that back and forth is someone with actual experience and more usable data asking for the IDEA to be verified with some facts.......THE SHEIT HITS THE FAN WHEN THE DANCE STARTS. Somewhere in here we need to insert the cheerleaders of products and vendors because of philosophy or emotional attachment, or detachment. Saying the IA2 sucks and the MR1 is the BEST while owning neither is just RIDICULOUS! If you examined the 2 and have an opinion fine....state it as such and move on. Same for heads.....and before either side gets all excited.....BOTH sides are evaluating each others performance. Failing to recognize the performance or lack of on either side makes you an emotional weiner. LOVE your favorite football team...hate the other guys if you want. This math and physics not an allegiance sport.

Would make for more useful and enjoyable forum if the IDEA guys would just say " why no I don't have any proof to back that up......Do you have some particular experience or useful data that you can share?" Both sides can potentially learn something here. The Idea guys can contribute as well as I'm always interested in ways to make hp or go faster with what I have...and so are others.

I won't sit idle while theories are discussed as facts. If you even have a reasonable argument for you theory OK cool I'll listen. But If guys want to feel like a big shot and say things that may cause just one person to waste their hard earned money......there are going to be folks to set the record strait. Just how it is

Mike,
Sorry it has taken sometime to answer your question, but I been busy updating my software and making picture for a thread on another forum.

cam timing using cranking pressure http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38807&sid=f0a5847688694f9c9c295fe791a82845

If you are not a member of Speed Talk you will not be able to see the pictures so I have attached them to this post.

A thread like this is more of the technical type of discussion that I enjoy.

Stan

[Tom Vaught]

Why not make all 3 of your graphs the same on stroke Stan.

Tom V.