Speaking of Colorado, the fellow I'm building this Firebird for, used to race dirt modifieds, (I may not have the class name right) and he was from that area at one time I believe and raced all over Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona etc...
He had mentioned to me in the past he used to have an outfit in Colorado do his engine work, albeit SBC stuff of course for that type of racing, but he mentioned how good the work was and the excellent power those engines made. I don't remember the name but I could ask John the name of the shop if interested. |
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I guess I’m lucky that there are at least 6 shops within 3 hours of here that are more than capable of machining,building,dyno testing a very stout street/strip Pontiac and most of them don’t have websites or post on forums. We’re much more fortunate than the Buick/Olds group, those guys are out there too but not in the same numbers. The thing is they are mostly older guys and a lot of them won’t be around in 10 years. That’s probably true of most shops today. |
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Possible it was him. They don't have the greatest reputation, but I do know a couple people that have had engines built by them and none went kaboom or anything like that. My engine is a bit of a mystery as it was built several months prior to my purchase of the car. The short block is the same, but I removed the heads and cam (#62's with a 280H) in favor of something that would live on pump gas. The last time I spoke with GAM inquiring about pricing to have the short block rebuilt with forged rods and crank, the guy I talked to spent more time just telling me I should get rid of the 3.73's and go to a 3.08. There's reasons I want/need to get rid of the factory rods and crank, but this guy didn't really seem to care. I'm sure he was just trying to "save me some money." but it soured me on them for sure. |
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There is something to be said for walking into a place and looking at the shop set-up and speaking to somebody in person. Standing in their shop you can see what engines they are lined up to do, the age/quality of the machines, whether everything is clean, etc. A long distance reputation is great - and I've made some distance purchases from brand specialists (Buick stuff - you guys think Pontiac performance is tough to find) - but I really like shaking hands with person taking my money and getting a sense of them and their business.
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No way would I ever go with a long distance build...ever. The builder might be great but it's expensive to send parts etc. If something goes wrong when you get the motor, the distance is a deal breaker. Though Paul came to Virginia to address the problem, it took almost two years to make that happen. I would get some work done a few hours away from the house but I will never do this again. If Paul was closer to me, I would consider it.
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Here are 2 cases of mine.
I am fortunate to have had 2 NHRA/IHRA pros not far from me. Contrary to what most might think, just because they are famous does not make their prices out of touch for the common man. So, one of my engines was done by one of them. When it came to the transmission I spent about a year researching and found no one locally (or within 200 miles) that I felt had the knowledge to build what I required or that I could trust. So, I was going to deal with a shop that was about 450 miles away until I talked with another well known shop that was about 2000 miles away. I went with the shop that was about 2000 miles away. So, I found 1 shop within 25 miles of me in one case and another about 2000 miles away in the other all based on doing my homework regardless of location. The end result is that that drivetrain has been going strong, problem free and running high 10's, low 11's since 2010. |
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What all this comes down to is your confidence that luck will be on your side when you install the engine and fire it up. If all goes well, the builder 2000 miles away was a good choice. If it all goes badly, it was a bad choice. All you have is the reputation of the builder to base your decision on.
All things considered equal, it will always be easier and cheaper to find a remedy to a problem with a nearby builder. I say all things considered equal because either one can tell you to go pound sand when an issue arises. The local builder will be more responsive to a remedy because he relies on his reputation with the local automotive community as his main source of income. The potential for loss of reputation with his bread and butter and the ease with which local small claims court can be utilized for a judgement weigh on a local shop's willingness to remedy a problem. |
For me, I had no problem taking my engine to Paul Carter. His reputation is still excellent in my opinion. I understand that mistakes cost money and time and that's unfortunate. We all mistakes....we just expect no mistakes be made on our stuff.
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When a mistake can potentially cost thousands of dollars, it is incumbant upon the buyer to select a qualified shop and obtain a written guarantee of remedy. There is a big difference between the guy down the street telling you to "bring it back and I'll make it right" vs the guy 2,000 miles away telling you the same. This doesn't make one builder better than the other, it just gives one builder the advantage of proximity should an issue develop.
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