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JasonD 02-13-2008 07:51 PM

1970 Judge Barn Car Resurrection
 
I know a few of you are familiar with the 1970 Judge I found in the barn near my shop. It's an Oshawa-built Ram Air III/4 speed car that is documented with the WT7 "black wing" option. If not, that whole story can be found here:
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...&highlight=WT7

The car is being restored from the ground up on nights and weekends by my father and I and I'd like to show some of the progress to maybe help some others see how we do things. :)

Here is the car as purchased:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...gebarn/001.jpg

Off the frame:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/003-1.jpg

Some pictures of the restored rear brake drum assemblies. You can see the original brake shoe assemblies with the way the factory color-coded the springs.....which we carefully reproduced on the restored assemblies. This car had only 50K easy miles on it when it was parked so it still wears all it's original brakes, rotors, and drums.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/017-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/018-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/020-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/021-1.jpg


Pics of the rear frame and axle assembly under construction, with factory paint inspection daubs which were found during cleaning and disassembly:

PS......and YES, those are the original factory date coded "Delco Canada" spiral shocks!
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/023-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/024-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/025-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...gebarn/027.jpg

71 lemans sport 455 02-13-2008 08:34 PM

looks great. Im at the same point with my frame.Good luck

getmygoat 02-13-2008 10:05 PM

nice
 
As Paris would say "That's Hot!"

Sorry, couldn't resist... looks great!

OVERULD 02-13-2008 11:41 PM

Looks great Jason! Keep these updates comming.

BJ

brianberes 02-14-2008 12:41 AM

Thanks for the great detailed pics and explanations on your restoration steps. I am restoring a 70 GTO at a much slower......pace, so your pics & input on how you restore you Judge will help me with my mine. Keep up the great work.

mmarx 02-14-2008 08:37 AM

Jason, I noticed that you painted the welds for the control arm brackets and the plates at the ends of the axle tubes, is this how the diff. was originally?

BTW, great job :D

Mike

JasonD 02-14-2008 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmarx
Jason, I noticed that you painted the welds for the control arm brackets and the plates at the ends of the axle tubes, is this how the diff. was originally?

BTW, great job :D

Mike

Thanks Mike......and everybody else. :)

Whenever you MIG weld two pieces of metal together you get a black haze around the area from the extreme heat generated. I add that little detail on my rear axles to try to make them look as realistic as I can. They were bare metal when installed.

I also paint the center section a little darker gray than the tubes and the cover since that area is cast iron.

MorphWS6 02-14-2008 12:59 PM

Hey Jason! I've missed a lot since I've been away from TAC. I know this car will look fantastic when you're done and I look forward to seeing the progress. Congrats on such an awesome find.

bajajudge 02-14-2008 02:13 PM

love that opening shot of the judge against the hills/snow, not used to seeing that here in az, nice detail on your build, any more pics.

JasonD 02-19-2008 05:49 PM

Here are a few pictures of some more undercarriage details.

Fully restored and detailed driveshaft assembly:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/002-3.jpg

Rear end is finished with perfect replication of factory markings and brake hardware. We even reused the original date coded brake drums:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/001-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/003-2.jpg



During disassembly we noted different colors that were present on each of the body mount bushings (pink, blue, and purple).....apparantly to help factory workers place them in the proper places......so we replicated the colors and sprayed them on the corresponding body mounts.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/009-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/013-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/011-2.jpg

Larry P 02-19-2008 06:59 PM

Thats awsome Jason, I have a 70 WT1 car and you photos and work are a perfect restoration example for my car.

OVERULD 02-19-2008 08:54 PM

Amazing!! Can't wait to see it all come together. Very nice work and detailing.

BJ

68addict 02-20-2008 08:57 AM

Jason, did you sandblast the driveshaft? Just wondering the technique as I am an amatuer. LOOKING GOOD!!!!

judgera4 02-20-2008 01:31 PM

Looks Great!

JasonD 02-20-2008 10:23 PM

Thanks, guys. :D

Yes "68addict" we remove the old U-joints, sandblast and prime the driveshaft, and then install the new U-joints.....and then paint the whole assembly to protect it from rusting but still have it look like bare metal.

getmygoat 02-21-2008 02:23 AM

for sale?
 
I'm hoping it will be for sale when you are done?

68addict 02-21-2008 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonD
Thanks, guys. :D

Yes "68addict" we remove the old U-joints, sandblast and prime the driveshaft, and then install the new U-joints.....and then paint the whole assembly to protect it from rusting but still have it look like bare metal.


Thank You Jason, the car is coming out great. Did you use something like eastwood's spray gray? I like that look instead of black.... Mine is going to be a driver, but I would like to maintain some level of correctness. :jumping:

JasonD 02-21-2008 01:18 PM

We employ a complete DuPont paint mixing system, so I custom mix all my own paint to match the different colors I need to match.

Yes "getmygoat" this car will be for sale when it's finished. The way my business is right now I just don't have the time to take this car all over the country to show it. This car deserves to see some national shows.

Just wait until you guys see the inside of the engine. It's like it was put in there yesterday. It's the cleanest engine I have ever seen in my life......and it's never seen the light of day since 1970. The factory paint inspection daubs are still on the rods, mains, crank, and end caps. It's just unbelievable.

Thunderkiss65 02-21-2008 01:32 PM

Nice work. But why didnt you repair the severe pitting in the frame before you painted it.

JasonD 02-21-2008 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thunderkiss65
Nice work. But why didnt you repair the severe pitting in the frame before you painted it.

After we sandblasted the frame we did go over the bottom and sides of the frame with a skim coat of filler to eliminate the pitting. We left the top of the frame alone since that is impossible to see with the body on the frame.

We also did a skim coat on the control arms. Those sure aren't very fun to get smooth. ;)

Here is a pic of the frame just before I painted it. You can see the skim coat of filler down the sides and the bottom where we filled in some of the rust pitting:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...eous/007-3.jpg

JasonD 02-21-2008 06:23 PM

When we bought this car we literally drove it into the shop. Although it looked kind of rough the original Ram Air III engine ran perfectly. With only 58000 miles on the odometer I thought the engine was probably in good shape.......but I never expected it to be this clean and new inside.

When we first got the engine out we degreased it and used high speed wire wheels to remove the old paint and rust from the block, and then sprayed on a coat of epoxy primer to preserve the bare metal until we started rebuilding.

This engine was assembled in January of 1970 and has never been opened until now. It's just amazing how the original factory paint daubs look like they were applied yesterday. The engine shows virtually no wear at all.

Inside the original valve covers:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...engine/009.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...engine/010.jpg

Inside the timing chain cover. You can still see the remains of a stamp in there:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...engine/011.jpg

Original GM nylon-tooth timing chain gear. That's one thing I'm changing:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...engine/012.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...engine/013.jpg

The windage tray and some of the markings on the crank and main caps:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...engine/001.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...engine/002.jpg

I really liked this. There is a big red "H" stamped on the oil pump. I assume that would denote high volume? I've never seen that before.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...engine/004.jpg


And all the markings on the main caps, rods, rod caps, and even the sides of the pistons:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...engine/005.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...engine/008.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...gine/009-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...gine/010-1.jpg

steve v 02-21-2008 06:50 PM

That IS one clean engine inside!
I'm sure your already doing this but I would replace the timing chain & plastic coated cam gear & crank gear while your in there.
Keep the pics coming, looks like it's coming along quick now! :Peace:

JasonD 02-21-2008 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve v
That IS one clean engine inside!
I'm sure your already doing this but I would replace the timing chain & plastic coated cam gear & crank gear while your in there.
Keep the pics coming, looks like it's coming along quick now! :Peace:

Yes that's definately going to be changed just to be safe......along with the oil pump. I'll hang onto the old parts just to have them.

Basically all we are doing is putting in a new timing chain, all new seals.... and that's it besides a thorough cleaning. The bearings all look brand new. There is no wear in the cylinder bores. The lifters pulled up out of their bores like they were put in yesterday.

The engine in this thing will be as stock as stock can be. :)

The Boss 02-21-2008 09:05 PM

Definitely didn't use Castrol! ;)

Really neat to see, thanks for the photo's.

70 PEPPER GREEN 02-23-2008 03:18 AM

TERRIFIC DETALING
 
SAW YOUR PICS TODAY CRUSING THE SITE, ABSOLUTLY BEAUTYFUL, IF YOU HAVE MORE PICS WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM, GREAT WORK

JasonD 02-26-2008 06:15 PM

So the frame and suspension are almost finished.....just need to install all the fluid lines and the detail decals. We bought all new components for the front steering, control arm bushings, ball joints, etc etc. We'll hold onto all of the original stuff.

We did rebuild the original date-coded Delco brake calipers.

I also shot a little video of the frame today. Click on this picture to start the movie:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...n/th_021-2.jpg

We still need to install the front spiral shocks. I had to get new bushings for those.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/011-3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/019-1.jpg

OVERULD 02-26-2008 06:59 PM

Nice work Jason! This is going to be a nice car when done. Can't wait to see the body and engine!

BJ

Greg Reid 02-27-2008 01:25 AM

Man, that engine is unbelievable. Good job Jason. Looking forward to seeing it progress.

68addict 02-27-2008 10:02 AM

Jason, you are giving me inspiration!!!!!

brianberes 02-27-2008 12:45 PM

Hey Jason,

Thanks for the great pics & the video to boot. I'm restoring a 70 GTO, so your pics and info are going to help me out with my restoration since I'm a novice. Keep up the great work and man I wish I could complete things as fast as you're doing things.

I have a couple of questions I hope you don't mind answering. I'll be pulling my body off the frame soon for sandblasting and powdercoating and I've never done this.
1) What special instructions/ precautions do you recommend with unbolting the body bolts from the body?
2) When installing the body bushings and placing the body back on the frame how do you keep all of the bushings in the right place?

thanks.
Brian

JasonD 02-27-2008 01:49 PM

Thanks for all the nice comments guys!

Brian......about your body bolts......if you start to loosen a bolt and it feels like it's going to strip out the nut inside the body, stop right there. Use a torch to cut off the head of the bolt. That way when you lift the body up off the frame you can get underneath the body and warm up the nut with a torch and remove the bolt without tearing things up. It may seem like alot of work, but it's WAY easier than trying to fix a caged nut that ripped loose inside a body crossmember.

Keeping the body bushings in while you lower the body down onto the frame is just a matter of being careful. The body bushings should fit tightly into the holes in the frame. Try to let the body straight down onto the frame.

JasonD 02-28-2008 05:46 PM

Here is the numbers-matching Muncie M20 4 speed back from the tranny shop.....nicely restored, including the purple inspection mark on the side cover.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/001-3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/002-4.jpg

OVERULD 02-28-2008 09:45 PM

Jason:

Man, you're killing me with all these great pictures. When can I put my bid in for this car?

BJ

JasonD 02-28-2008 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OVERULD
Jason:

Man, you're killing me with all these great pictures. When can I put my bid in for this car?

BJ

Thanks!

Just wait until you see this engine sitting in the frame. ;)

feb69judge 02-28-2008 11:33 PM

Great pictures super detail! I'll bet Even Krytas 69 Judge does not have those engine markings...LOL Looks like those ram air oil drippers really did their job.

Judge273 02-29-2008 11:50 AM

Jason: Best Judge thread in a long time! Starting with the find, the history, the restoration...keep it coming! Looking good!!

kyle_blake 02-29-2008 02:37 PM

Makes me want to get my driveshaft painted up like that too!

JasonD 02-29-2008 05:58 PM

Thanks guys. :D

Here is the rear bumper assembly, restored and ready to mount as soon as the new license plate light shows up. The tail lights are the original ones....they polished up very nicely and look like brand new.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/005-3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/003-3.jpg

Held for Ransom 02-29-2008 08:01 PM

Jason, what is the date code of your rear bumper (behind license plate bracket, drivers side)?

OVERULD 02-29-2008 09:23 PM

Jason:
This has to be one of the fastest restorations ever chronicled on this forum!

I second Judge273's comment; this is one of the best Judge threads in a while.

BJ

JasonD 03-01-2008 01:07 PM

Thanks guys!

Here is the numbers-matching 400 WS code Ram Air III engine. Carefully disassembled, inspected, cleaned, and reassembled with all new seals, new roller timing chain and oil pump. Other than that it is bone stock right down to the bearings and piston rings. This engine has only 58000 original miles on it.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/005-4.jpg

JasonD 03-03-2008 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Held for Ransom
Jason, what is the date code of your rear bumper (behind license plate bracket, drivers side)?

Date code on mine is "12BJ5"

JasonD 03-03-2008 06:22 PM

This is how I spent my Sunday afternoon yesterday......installing a nice, new engine and tranny into a nice, new chassis assembly. :)

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/004-2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/006-1.jpg

Held for Ransom 03-03-2008 07:44 PM

Thanks again.

brianberes 03-03-2008 07:46 PM

Sweet! Man, you are blazing with the restoration. I feel like I'm crawling like a turtle with my restoration compared to you. But then again, I only get Saturdays to work on my GTO and realistically not every Saturday I can get to it. Well, you give me the "gung ho" to keep going.
Thanks for the updates and pics. How about a video of the engine running one day?
Brian

gto4evr 03-03-2008 08:21 PM

wow, that looks beautiful. What's the deal with the colored body bushings, are they urethane? or some kind of factory color coding thing?

JasonD 03-03-2008 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gto4evr
wow, that looks beautiful. What's the deal with the colored body bushings, are they urethane? or some kind of factory color coding thing?

Thanks! :)

The body bushings are regular rubber bushings. When the car was disassembled we found traces of blue, pink and purple color on the original bushings. Apparently it was a way to help the factory workers know where they went.

We mixed up the correct colors and painted the bushings and installed them back in the same places we found them.

JasonD 03-03-2008 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brianberes
How about a video of the engine running one day?
Brian

We'll have video of everything from the engine running to the car driving.

I think video is very important in today's restorations. Pictures are great, but video really helps to show what things really look like.

feb69judge 03-03-2008 10:10 PM

Super nice job, you are exactly caught up with my restoration, nice full pictures that looks like a 4.5 inch water pump I only needed a 4 inch pump (PS,PB) and is getting rebuilt right now, keep up the great work, now it's time to call the paint guy..LOL

JasonD 03-04-2008 05:55 PM

All of the brake and fuel lines are installed now....along with some more engine reassembly. All of the colors on the original clips that hold the fluid lines were carefully noted and diagramed, so we could put them all back exactly the way they used to be. The colors were yellow, blue, white, and zinc plated (silver).

Now we're waiting for our brand new set of 5 reproduction G70-14 Firestone Wide Ovals. :cool:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/005-5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/007-1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...barn/009-3.jpg

And another video:
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...n/th_010-1.jpg


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