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Ok going to organize a post of top ten Drag open body and Door cars again, if you think you're fast enough please dig out your best ET slip and email me [email protected] or post below, will post my findings here tomorrow. Will do some catagorizing as guys like Bruce M. and Ray Cox have some big performers with heavier and lesser tired race cars. Everyone should know that there was progress this year and fastest of all time has been shuffled a bit.
Here's the list from 2003 (might have some left out, first time I ever attempted this list) #1 Rodney Butler 6.91@202 #2 Marty Palbykin 6.95 #3 Arnie Beswick 6.95@215 #4 Bill Mellott [email protected] #5 Bill Krech [email protected] #6 Mike Cooper 7.450@175 #7 Jeff Kauffman 7.49@175 #8 Steve Barcek 7.50@189 was he driving? #9 Dan Sweeney 7.50@186 #10 Paul Spotts [email protected] #11 Eddie Hill 202mph MAYBE #12 Eric Larson Grocery Getter Advanced ET? MAYBE 2004 has been a good year! -Rob |
Ok going to organize a post of top ten Drag open body and Door cars again, if you think you're fast enough please dig out your best ET slip and email me [email protected] or post below, will post my findings here tomorrow. Will do some catagorizing as guys like Bruce M. and Ray Cox have some big performers with heavier and lesser tired race cars. Everyone should know that there was progress this year and fastest of all time has been shuffled a bit.
Here's the list from 2003 (might have some left out, first time I ever attempted this list) #1 Rodney Butler 6.91@202 #2 Marty Palbykin 6.95 #3 Arnie Beswick 6.95@215 #4 Bill Mellott [email protected] #5 Bill Krech [email protected] #6 Mike Cooper 7.450@175 #7 Jeff Kauffman 7.49@175 #8 Steve Barcek 7.50@189 was he driving? #9 Dan Sweeney 7.50@186 #10 Paul Spotts [email protected] #11 Eddie Hill 202mph MAYBE #12 Eric Larson Grocery Getter Advanced ET? MAYBE 2004 has been a good year! -Rob |
I am disappointed in your Rob.
Are you excluding John Welter's 6.92 et at 209 mph just because Rodney drove the car? John's car was faster than Marty's on both counts. Tom V. As you said probably just an oversite even though it only happens a few months ago. Please add the Kauffmans 200 mph pass too. |
you're looking at the 2003 list Tom, holding out for the last of the 2004 passes, may even wait until Sunday if guys think they can put something on the board this weekend.
Can't add a KRE 200mph pass, but they were ohh so close throwing off the blower belts twice in a row. -Rob |
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"ou're looking at the 2003 list Tom, holding out for the last of the 2004 passes, may even wait until Sunday if guys think they can put something on the board this weekend." Rob, I thought you were taking the 2003 list and modifying those items based on the 2004 info. Sorry! Quote: "Can't add a KRE 200mph pass, but they were ohh so close throwing off the blower belts twice in a row." Then why was that little *****, George giving me crap about the kauffman's 200 mph pass at Norwalk this year? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif I hope you read this George as I will be one your butt if you lied to me about that pass and I apologized and it wasn't true. http://pysales.com/images/spank.gif Tom V. |
Yea still organizing a list for the 2004
I think George rounded up a 199.98 or something. Maybe Mark made a pass that I missed. -Rob |
Rob - I went 7.35 @ 185 at Atco
7.36 at Norwalk Scott Rex went 7.68 The 2005 list will be pretty impressive |
Maybe I am the one confused, Maybe George said that they ran in the 6s for the first time (but did not make the MPH).
I might be wrong on my post. Tom V. |
Rob Ill have to dig the slip out, but it was only 8.60 at 162mph 3475 lbs Bruce wins the fastest 10" tire class this year 8.500 at 3350 lbs
Langer was in the 8s dont know his weight or mph Tommy thompson 9.40s on 10.5s also |
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8.90's at 153.10, 3225 lbs, rockford files went 158+
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I am the slowest heads up guy...9.19 147.89 @3380 at the county. At a race only went 9.25 146 at 3268 lbs them my motor fell out...http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif stock suspention/wheel well -true 10.5x 28.5 with ONLY 3.89 gear
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Tom,
I said Marks 6 sec. pass never mentioned 200 MPH because he never hit it although 199 is Damn close! As for everyone else, Rob was talking about the Quickest Pontiac PERIOD not......D-Port or Iron head or 10.5 tire size or I ain't got the GUTs to put my engine in a lighter car thing! Run what you BRING, Wham/ Bham thank you mamm.......if you got it run it..... if you don't, keep it HOME! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif |
GTOGEORGE, reread ROB,s post.
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OK............I'm sorry! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif
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I'd like to nominate 1/2" Stud for fastest Pontiac on paper. Is that "doable"? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_razz.gif
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brian Baker:
I'd like to nominate 1/2" Stud for fastest Pontiac on paper. Is that "doable"? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_razz.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> be careful Brian you might need to start another post fastest bench racer in 2004 but if you do upgrade the server first http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_razz.gif |
I'm gonna hijck this thread for a sec- While I know there are alot of fast Pontiacs out there, we are still very overlooked. Ken Keefer replied on the Proline crank post about needing some good forged cranks, cast intakes, and heads that flow---why don't we see many of these products?? At the NSCA or Pro events that I attend I try to talk to the company reps and tell them what we are missing- hoping that someone will listen- but when these reps look in the staging lanes and see the turn out and there are only a very small handful of Pontiacs they don't relay the info back to the companies. Let's face it- we are not going to get alot more stuff until people get off their asses and go to the track. Racing at Pontiac events is fun but that is not where the company scouts hang out. Until we are putting other makes on the trailer then we will be noticed. The cars in the list are fast but who outside of the Pontiac world knows about them?? I applaud guys like Ray,Bruce M, Tommy Thompson, Jeff Pucket, Ken Keefer, Lynn McCarty,etc that are out there putting brand X on the trailer. Has anyone thought about inviting some of the aftermarket companies to a MAJOR Pontiac event?? Go to Fun Ford or Super Chevy and see who is there- go to Norwalk and all you see is used parts- now off the soap box and back to the topic- if there are more people hitting the big events this list of fast cars would be 10 times longer because we would have the right parts to do it with!
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Seeing as Mongo is getting Anal........ again. LOL.
I agree Mike. When ever I go to manufacture events I always bring up the fact that we need their company to offer this and that. Response. Not enough demand.......... Yet. I see them making parts for Limited production run engines on stuff such as 351C and 340 mopar. I don't know the reasoning behind it. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif And the reps have no clue or even care what the demand of Pontiac parts are. They just collect that paycheck and hang out with the Big Racing names. Party, party seems to be the word. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif |
Mike,why not ask the reps to go to Norwalk and other Pontiac events to see how many Pontiacs are there?
If you go to a race with rules setup for mostly chevy or ford,that's what you'll likely find. |
John I would ask the reps to go but I feel it should be the promoters responsibility. They could give the manufacturers free display area and everyone could feed off it- The more aftermarket parts available for that make, the more racers there will be showing up for the race. Every other make that has a race-IE Fun Ford, Super Chevy have a loaded manufactures midway with everyone from E-brock to MSD. Let's face it who wants to look at 30 year old worn out junk? Years ago it was neat to look at the swap meet area but in the past 2 years the quality and quantity wasn't there. People are scrapping the bottom of the barrel to find stuff to sell-and MOST of what was there wasn't worth looking at. Time for some new parts to be produced and the only way to get them produced is to show these guys we are serious by the numbers! As all the factory performance stuff has been used up and the very few after market pieces are all on cars we are extinguishing ourselves. How many people on this board go to swap meets hoping to find the "holy grail" part they have been looking for to go home empty handed-there might have been 3 after market intakes at Norwalk last year and they were all over priced. To have more fast cars we need more parts that are reasonably priced. Best thing to do is just put together some junk - blow it up in front of these reps and then say if I had a new forged crank I could be competitive http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif
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Talk about Hi-Jacking! So much for the Quickest Pontiac's in 2004. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif
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George- you are right I did hijack the thread and my apologies to Rob- but we do need more manufacturer participation to see more than just a handful of fast cars.
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Mike,
You know it's always going to be a Ford & Chevy thing.....it's too bad. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif |
Well Barring that someone found a dry place to run today or my errors. Here is the updated with 2004 results list of fastest Pontiacs ever:
1....Rodney Butler .................1965 [email protected] 2....Arnie Beswick .................1971 [email protected] 3....Marty Palbykin ................1970 GTO...............6.95@190s 4....John Welter/R. Butler .......2002 [email protected] 5....Mark Kauffman ................1997 [email protected] 6....Bill Mellott .....................1997 [email protected] 7....Bill Kreech ....................1999 [email protected] 8....Mike Cooper ..................1963 Tempest........7.30@193 9....Paul Spotts ..................FED....................7.354@184 .47 10... Jeff Kauffman ..............RED....................7.49@175 11... Steve Barcek ...............FED..................7.50@189 12... Dan Sweeney ...............1999 Bird............7.50@180 13... Todd Fontana ...............RED..................7.58@174 14... David Butler ................1996 Bird............7.60@178 15... Scott Rex ...................1997 [email protected] 16... Jim Yanoski .................2000 [email protected] 17... Todd Filson [email protected] 18... Mike Garblik, Eric L........Grocery [email protected] 19... Jim Brady ...................RED...................7.87@170 20... Larry Anderson .............1986 Bird?...........7.90@180 21... Jack Gaydosh ...............2000 Bird............7.94@172? 22... Mark Pickett ...............1997 [email protected] Shane Molinari 1968 GTO [email protected] Bruce Maichle 1979 Bird 8.50@159? If anybody has adjustments just post them Check it out Advanced ET for top ten of all time!! -Rob |
Mike, any chance of a Pontiac competing in PRO Mod. Looks like NHRA is allowing TURBO powered cars in the field next year. I don't know much about the class but I think if a Pontiac powered car even qualified someone would notice.
Rob, How many of the top 10 Fastest Pontiacs are N/A? |
Or no power adder?
Paul Spott's probably and Jeff Kauffman. Duh! Forgot Paul had a blower. |
Rules will dictate if Pontiacs can run, but in power-added classes the power-adder makes things more equal. It may be possible.
As far as the list, well it goes like this 1 Turbo 2 Supercharged 3 Turbo 4 Turbo 5 Supercharged 6 Supercharged 7 Supercharged 8 Supercharged 9 Supercharged 10 On Motor 11 Supercharged 12 NO2 13 NA 14 NO2 15 NA 16 NO2 17 NA 18 NO2 19 NA 20 NO2? 21 NA 22 NA -Rob |
Thanks Rob, I thought Scott Rex was still the Fastest N/A door car http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif.
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I thought Marty P. had switched to a BBC?
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Yep, Scott's #1
My list has some semi confirmed stuff, like Marty emailed my last year and said the 6.95 was with the Pontiac engine. I update whenever I get my hands on real timeslips. So anything with four digit ETs (like Scott's 7.682) is directly from the track timeslip. -Rob |
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You should probably rename your list Quickest rather than Fastest based on your order by ET rather than MPH. Nevertheless it is quite an impressive list, thanks for compling it! |
Good Point! Hey you need to make a fasest RAV list!
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Nice job Rob
Of the top 10 - Marty and myself have/had factory blocks and heads - both D-ports http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif I also used a cast crankshaft - I forget if Marty used a billet or forging) But no more cast for me - going billet with bigger stroke |
I would say that was pretty good that Marty finished number 3 considering he was running a
factory block, a forged 3.75 crank, and did not have current technology turbos. Anyway you look at it the cars/engines have stepped up this year. Good job! Guys! I thought one of Welter's/Rodney's passes was a 6.92 Rob? It was not on the same pass as the 209 I believe. Tom V. |
Yes I think you're right about one of John's runs being quicker, probably the sand trap one I missed. I'll have to call John and see if he has the timeslips handy.
I remember the 6.975 run well because it was just after Mark Kauffman ran 6.995. Rodney left & looked fast, went through the traps and the numbers lit up. You and Travis turned to John and said "there's your six second pass"! I looked at y'all and said "real good mph too". You both turned back to the scoreboard and seen the even more exciting number! That was a huge day at Norwak. -Rob |
Paul why dont we drop my motor in your car and see how far down the list we can move http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif
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Because it would run slower then the engine he has in it already!!!! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_razz.gif
Of course that would be a step in the right direction. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif |
On the box for the 71 BOSS BIRD FUNNY CAR diecast -RAM AIR V heads-it stated ARNIE dipped into the 6.80's http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif.
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George I made 30 some passes in the 8s at
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Ray,
Just BAD timing for my car. Almost every pass you had to be towed up to the staging lanes or towed back from you run.........nice STREET car? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif I'll be at Cordova, buddy and I bet I won't be towing my RACE car to or from my run, we'll how many passes we both make! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_razz.gif |
You made how many passes at Norwalk compared to Ray, George?
I lost count of Ray's passes (like you said he was getting towed a lot). How many passes did you make? I never saw your car in the lanes and wanted to see it run. Tom V. |
It was in the lanes and I seen it on the second pass? Wasn't ready and George smartly parked it before really hurting something.
Ray looked pretty good all weekend. -Rob |
Two reasons for Ray's towing:
1.) He was having charging system issues (alternator). 2.) He shuts it off on the top end to check plugs. Ray went 8.61 @ nearly 161 MPH at Norwalk, and he made I don't know how many runs on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday (I know of 4 on Saturday alone). And you, George? Oh that's right, your heap was on the trailer. http://pysales.com/images/spank.gif New Years Day and the smack talking is reaching a fever pitch (LOL). Get your ducks in a row this year, George. I'd like to see another roots blown Pontiac run well this year. |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by GTOGEORGE:
Ray, Just BAD timing for my car. Almost every pass you had to be towed up to the staging lanes or towed back from you run.........nice STREET car? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif 1. George I tow my car when i am done with a run, its called check the plugs after a nitrous run. I do drive mine on the street more than i should. O HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL |
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"And you, George? Oh that's right, your heap was on the trailer. spank" http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif Looks like Brian just "Bitch slapped" George like he wanted! Ray, typically has issues but you have to give the man credit for trying no matter what. Tom V. |
Somebody please show me Arnie's 6.80 in here someplace:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/7...FCETBests.html Also, look at draglist.com for another list. My heap went a 5.48. Twelve years ago. Never again. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif |
Gee, you guys are killing me! My car was OFF the trailer Friday morning and didn't get loaded back up until Sunday afternoon http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif
2003 at Norwalk I raced all weekend even WON Saturday and got down to the semi's in the Quick 16...........never got towed to or from a run and Ray was broke all weekend. I guess that makes us even......no.....wait..... I'm up on Ray because I won Super Pro on Saturday and got some prize money Sunday(3rd Place). I don't think Ray won any money at Norwalk last year. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif. We'll see what happens this year, because I have one up on you guys I know how QUICK I have run last year (2004). http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_razz.gif |
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