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Just got the latest AutoWeek and couldn't believe how hard they slammed the "05 GTO against the Mustang. "The GTO's steering wheel felt heavy, muddy, even numb, the Mustang's had a sharp, immediate turn-in feel and bristled with visceral sensations of the road at every turn." "it simply cannot match the Mustang for feel, style or value" And they wrap the story with: "Overall, the Mustang backs up it's looks with a handling performance that puts to shame the GTO's. It's no contest: The winner is the Mustang GT." They said lots more negitive things. " the styling is total blandsville. It leaves no impression whatsoever."
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Just got the latest AutoWeek and couldn't believe how hard they slammed the "05 GTO against the Mustang. "The GTO's steering wheel felt heavy, muddy, even numb, the Mustang's had a sharp, immediate turn-in feel and bristled with visceral sensations of the road at every turn." "it simply cannot match the Mustang for feel, style or value" And they wrap the story with: "Overall, the Mustang backs up it's looks with a handling performance that puts to shame the GTO's. It's no contest: The winner is the Mustang GT." They said lots more negitive things. " the styling is total blandsville. It leaves no impression whatsoever."
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So Ford bought more advertising this month. What about performance and handling numbers, not just butt feeling performance?
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So if the GTO had won, I guess GM would have been the one buying ad space. LOL! No matter how bad the day is going, its nice to know I can always come to this topic line and get a good laugh.
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HUMBLER........don't look. Its gonna happen again. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif
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Chang completely slammed the Mustang in his article in the same magazine! And then they show the Z06 and STS-V, just made the Crapstang win look as dumb as it was. The pics even clearly showed the GTO to be the better looking car.
All of the downfalls of the Goat were slight yet there was no contest...just stupid... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif |
Hau Thai-Tang, Design Engineer for '05 Stang while on Leno : Standing O. GM: r u watching???
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Are you freakin kidding me, how would anybody but a car guy even know who he was? I've got to see the video of that...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by humbler:
Are you freakin kidding me, how would anybody but a car guy even know who he was? ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Leno is a car guy, a big time car guy. Apparently Mr. Thai-Tang was on Craig Ferguson ( whoever that is ) with the same response. |
Probably because the Q card to the audience said "Standing Applause!"
Yes wake up GM, oh no everyone on Leno / Kilborn is getting a standing applause!!! And yes, not knowing Leno is a car guy is like not knowing "You can have any color, as long as it is black!" http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tom McQueen:
So if the GTO had won, I guess GM would have been the one buying ad space. LOL! No matter how bad the day is going, its nice to know I can always come to this topic line and get a good laugh. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> If your dense enough to believe magazine reporting is un biased, your giving us all a good laugh. Find a major article with positive overtones in any ad containing magazine that doesn't have major advertising from the subject of the article! I assumed ,wrongly I guess, that most of you would know this! |
So, the GTO gets slammed by yet another magazine. Does that surprise anyone? Is that supposed to make me feel bad? It's okay if they think the Mustang wins, for now. Remember, this is just the beginning. Six months from now they'll be dogging the stang too.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If your dense enough to believe magazine reporting is un biased, your giving us all a good laugh. Find a major article with positive overtones in any ad containing magazine that doesn't have major advertising from the subject of the article! I assumed ,wrongly I guess, that most of you would know this! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Car and Driver comparison of the "new" GTO and the "new" Mustang. Full page ad for the "new" GTO on the back. It came in second place. For the record, I don't care for either car. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by humbler:
And yes, not knowing Leno is a car guy is like not knowing "You can have any color, as long as it is black!" http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hey, I'm not saying it was an endorsement of the 05 'Stang or a lack of on the 04 GTO. People like what Ford did with the 'Stang and for the most part they don't like what GM did with the GTO. Maybe there's something there for GM to learn. Take it how you will, I really don't care. |
And again, folks, why would you care what they think?? I've driven both, back to back, and I couldn't get back to my Pontiac dealer fast enough to snag the last I.B./M6 available in my area!
I liked the new 'stang in some ways, but I chose the GTO as the hands-down winner IMHO (as did my wife - though she likes the "styling" of the stang better, she much preferred driving the GTO). The retro thing will wear thin quickly & the shortcomings of the stang will increasingly come to the fore as time goes on. Everyone on Leno clapped both as a response to the *applause* sign & because of the *nostalgia* thing that's made recent inroads into the American psyche. Many people do really like the look of the new stang. I find it pleasingly nostalgic, but I think it looks a little "thick" & heavy-handed compared to the '68-'70 era it's intended to emulate. Choose what you like, I say! I chose the car that satisfies me & the wife more, and the first time the new stang owner takes a bumpy corner at speed & that solid axle starts its walk to the outside, he/she is gonna start wondering if the nostalgic handling is worth the nostalgic looks! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Car and Driver comparison of the "new" GTO and the "new" Mustang. Full page ad for the "new" GTO on the back. It came in second place. For the record, I don't care for either car.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Does this mean there were no ads for the Mustang in the mag?? |
i forgot what mag i seen the 05 GTO vs Mustang. the GTO would smoke it in the 1/4 but costs about $10,000 more. both of them are ugly. i wouldnt buy a ford. but they basically said the mustang won because of the "styling". WTF ? ohhh look at that pretty retro car its slower in the 1/4 and prolly handles worse but its retro so its better.cmon give me a break.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by judge_jury_executioner_69:
the GTO would smoke it in the 1/4 but costs about $10,000 more. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The base price of the Mustang GT is $9,000.00 less than the GTO. By the time you add some of the options on the Mustang to even attempt to get remotely close to the standard level GTO, you're right around $30,000.00. Of course, you still have 100 less HP, a 5 spd instead of a 6 spd... But it is cheaper... |
Champ, don't you think if GM had a base model GTO to compete with the Mustang it would sell much better?
Drop the leather, traction control and other doo-dads and price it accordingly. Not everybody likes leather. It still won't sell like the Mustang due to the bland looks, but it would certainly help. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Does this mean there were no ads for the Mustang in the mag??
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes. No ads for the Mustang. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>y the time you add some of the options on the Mustang to even attempt to get remotely close to the standard level GTO, you're right around $30,000.00. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Which ones? And what is "right around"? |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by judge_jury_executioner_69:
both of them are ugly.... but they basically said the mustang won because of the "styling". ...its retro. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I don't think people were so upset with the GM Monaro in that it wasn't retro so much in that it's just a butt ugly car: bloated back end, cheesey spoiler, jelly bean front end that Pontiac hasn't changed in a decade or so, girlie man rims, and that auto cross package just makes it worse. The only one I've seen that looks any good was the 2005 in Cyclone Grey and that was just a front end shot. If GM could do something to make it look a little sleeker ( aka dump the Neon look alike back end ), no spoiler http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif, no hood scoops,( C'mon GM, everybody knows they are fake http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif) and a more aggressive stance perhaps with a recessed grill and headlight treatment,( aka dump the all too tired jelly bean format ) extending the hood to conceal the wipers and some rims that didn't resemble something you'd see on a Tuners R Us Honda they'd have a clear winner. Eliminate the leather interior and a few other things that most people don't like or want anyways to keep costs down. It really wouldn't take much. |
Many good points in this string of messages. In my opinion:
1. In a GTO vs Mustang contest the fact is that both are SUPPOSED to be performance cars. I have read Car&Driver and a few other mags. In terms of pure performance the GTO comes out ahead. I am not sure why the GTO is getting slammed when, at least in the quarter mile, the Mustang simply cannot run with it. As some have said here, it must be advertising dollars or some other factor besides performance. 2. Where Mustang shines, is looking like a Mustang of old. GTO is a whole new shape FOR A GTO, and did not bother to try to look retro. Some (like my wife) feel it looks more like a Honda Civic. I am a GTO head, I like GTO's. I like the idea of having 400 horses under the hood and going 0 - 60 in 4.3 seconds. But styling wise, I know she is right. It looks somewhat like a Civic. So the visual appeal insofar as being <ahem> "Muscular" is not there. However since the current run of GTO's is only for 3 years out at Holden/Australia, the word is that the GTO will continue to be produced, but will be re-styled and produced out in GM of Canada and will LOOK like a more retro GTO. 3. Fact is if you took the $9,000 gap in price between the two cars, invested some in Nitrous, you'd have a Ford that can outrun the GTO and still have some extra money for groceries each month. Don't get me wrong. I do not like Fords. Never have. But what Ford has done, marketing and styling-wise, is brilliant. What GM has done - at least in my experience with trying to trade in my 2003 vehicle and drive out in a new GTO - is both arrogant and pathetic. Because they have a car that is faster than hell, looks like a rounded ravioli, and try to push it through a dealer network where the "last one on earth" arrogance is so thick you can cut it with a spoon. I think that come 2006 when Ford comes out with a Cobra version Mustang that will be an essentially Special Vehicle Team built car (ie: darned near hand crafted and blueprinted from the factory), and when that Cobra is being sold for the same $33,000 like a GTO, I think Pontiac is going to have a bigger problem than they have today. |
all i was trying to say is that i wouldnt own either one so im not gonna play favorites. the gto is uglier but faster. the mustang looks somewhat better (kinda like a girl you like the front end but the big rear end ruins it) and is cheaper (from what ive heared both in price and quality). so why would they say the mustang is better then the gto?
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judge_jury_executioner_69:
Man, in one sentence you have just beautifully stated, what a lot of us have been feeling (and posting). Perfect. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> so why would they say the mustang is better then the gto? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats what they thought. |
Well this topic has certainly fostered a lot of banter. Here's my take on it. I just purchased a 6M '04 GTO. I strongly considered the '05 Mustang. From a price-dependent standpoint, let me say here that my wife works for the dealer I purchased the car. With her "GMS" pricing, coupled with the $5,500 rebate, I paid $25,100, even with the chromed wheels. Given the level of fit, finish and layout of the interior (the best from GM, at least for those vehicles sold in the US), coupled with the comfort of the seats, not to mention the drivetrain, anyone would be hard-pressed to give the nod to an 05 Mustang GT. I just drove one this weekend, 5 sp, leather. Sticker on it was 28,942. When you take the GTO's 6sp sticker less only the $5,500 rebate, you're right there with the Mustang. The dealer was not discounting the Stang, but at least they weren't gouging with any ADM garbage.
My short ride and seat of the pants assessment was that the Mustang was as quick 0-60, but not as torquey in real world driving as the GTO. Steering felt too light for my taste. You can tell it still has a solid axle, especially over some of the more severe road irregularities we have here in FL. The GTO is more compliant and has a nicer balance between ride civility and aggressive handling. However, the interior is where the GTO gains the most points over the Mustang. The Mustang seats are not as supportive, has less side bolstering and seat adjustments. The back seat is useless. Getting in the back of both is a pain, but once back there, the GTO's is far and away, the best. As far as looks, Ford did its homework and I commend them for keeping the ponycar theme alive. Now, all this bashing about the GTO not being retro enough....who can say what the GTO would look like since it was last made - 20 years ago!!!! The Mustang has not missed a year in 41 straight. At least Mr. Lutz conceded GM goofed and should have put hood scoops on the 04. But with the gap in pro production, who's to say how the GTO would look today had it continued to be manufactured? Maybe a "Judge" version will spruce things up...or they can add a tach housing on the back, driver's side corner of the hood. What else is there that can bridge the 20 year gap?? Thanks for reading. JoeyD |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by William Black:
Just got the latest AutoWeek and couldn't believe how hard they slammed the "05 GTO against the Mustang. "The GTO's steering wheel felt heavy, muddy, even numb, the Mustang's had a sharp, immediate turn-in feel and bristled with visceral sensations of the road at every turn." "it simply cannot match the Mustang for feel, style or value" And they wrap the story with: "Overall, the Mustang backs up it's looks with a handling performance that puts to shame the GTO's. It's no contest: The winner is the Mustang GT." They said lots more negitive things. " the styling is total blandsville. It leaves no impression whatsoever." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> LOL! Totally biased and obviously payed for by Ford. I drove both an 04 GTO and 05 Mustang GT the othe day. I'm in the market. I like the Mustang, it has it's looks. But I will tell you the Mustang GT has nothing even on the 04 GTO as far as fit, finish and power. I will wait to test drive an 05 GTO before I make my decision. The Mustang did look nice, but it did not seem to handle as good as the 04 GTO. Going around corners in the 04 GTO with it's IRS firmly plant the wheels to the ground, while the Mustang with it's live axle tends to jump around over bumps. |
Also for FWIW the next gen GTO will NOT be built in Canada but at the Hamtramck facility in Mich.
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Car and Driver gave the win to Mustang by a score of 211 to 210 and that was based on what they called "got to have it factor'(25 to 18) or some such crap! The GTO won every catagory but that one, including the fun to drive section!!! Boy, that was a real butt whipping, huh?! If you don't Got to have it, the GTO wins easily!!
PS; For what it's worth, there were three Mustang ads in that mag, not the zero as was claimed here by David Jones, nice try though! |
Joey, welcome to the board. I, too, own an 04 GTO and, as I'm sure your perusing the forum has shown you, the new GTO is not welcome here. Maybe the aggression has relented somewhat but be prepared for repeated lessons on what the New GTO is or isn't. Sure, it doesn't look like old GTO's, the last of which was built in 1974, nor does it possess a Pontiac designed engine,(all GM engines are now designed by GM powertrain). So, since it does not meet THEIR criteria for what a GTO should look like, or have a PONTIAC-ONLY powerplant, it is not a GTO. The company that put the badge on the old GTOs is suddenly incapable of knowing what a GTO should be. I applaud Pontiac for providing us the opportunity to own this car and eagerly anticipate the future renditions. They should be happy too, for if nothing else, it gave them something to argue and bitch about. They won't simply state "I don't like the new GTO", and leave it at that, but continue to reiterate those sentiments. They will compare it to other vehicles that aren't even in the same class and declare their preference for the other vehicle while proclaiming your stupidity for choosing the vehicle YOU prefer. They will fail to acknowledge that they are only a small dot in the automotive world and will never be a targeted demographic. The amount of respect you receive here is directly related to the year of GTO you own and even though 14000 people own 04's, and they don't, they are the ones who can accurately assess what it is or isn't. In other words, we can accept the fact that the car is not for them and respect them for that, but they cannot accept the fact that this car meets our needs. Now I feel it's no longer statements of opinion, but intentional humiliation.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>PS; For what it's worth, there were three Mustang ads in that mag, not the zero as was claimed here by David Jones, nice try though! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Randy, you must have a different Car and Driver. The Jan05 issue with the comparison test between the Mustang and GTO that Car and Driver mailed to me had ZERO Mustang ads in it. It did however have a Ford Freestyle ad in it. The GTO ad is on the back cover. Why don't you give me the page numbers of the 3 Mustang ads in your book? |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pont3:
Joey, welcome to the board. I, too, own an 04 GTO and, as I'm sure your perusing the forum has shown you, the new GTO is not welcome here. Maybe the aggression has relented somewhat but be prepared for repeated lessons on what the New GTO is or isn't. Sure, it doesn't look like old GTO's, the last of which was built in 1974, nor does it possess a Pontiac designed engine,(all GM engines are now designed by GM powertrain). So, since it does not meet THEIR criteria for what a GTO should look like, or have a PONTIAC-ONLY powerplant, it is not a GTO. The company that put the badge on the old GTOs is suddenly incapable of knowing what a GTO should be. I applaud Pontiac for providing us the opportunity to own this car and eagerly anticipate the future renditions. They should be happy too, for if nothing else, it gave them something to argue and bitch about. They won't simply state "I don't like the new GTO", and leave it at that, but continue to reiterate those sentiments. They will compare it to other vehicles that aren't even in the same class and declare their preference for the other vehicle while proclaiming your stupidity for choosing the vehicle YOU prefer. They will fail to acknowledge that they are only a small dot in the automotive world and will never be a targeted demographic. The amount of respect you receive here is directly related to the year of GTO you own and even though 14000 people own 04's, and they don't, they are the ones who can accurately assess what it is or isn't. In other words, we can accept the fact that the car is not for them and respect them for that, but they cannot accept the fact that this car meets our needs. Now I feel it's no longer statements of opinion, but intentional humiliation. "THEY" refers to(you know who you are) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Absolutely brilliant! I could not have put it better myself. You have summed up "THEY" exactly. |
I heard ALL the 05 Mustangs might get recalled, I heard from a reliable source that the heads on the 05 mustang are cracking.
But just remember at ford quality is job one http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Randy, you must have a different Car and Driver. The Jan05 issue with the comparison test between the Mustang and GTO that Car and Driver mailed to me had ZERO Mustang ads in it. It did however have a Ford Freestyle ad in it. The GTO ad is on the back cover. Why don't you give me the page numbers of the 3 Mustang ads in your book?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I was looking at it on line, not in the book, I don't have the mag, yet. If the ads are only on line, then I'll admit my mistake. However all this is a smoke screen to cover the fact that the GTO won in every catagory except the 'got to have one' catagory, which is certainly no more than his opinion! If you guys that own old GTO's can't get past your prejudices, you should at least leave the people who do like them, alone. Let them enjoy thier very nice cars, and stay out of thier business. Did it ever occur to you, unless they ask your opinion, they probably don't want it!? |
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To each thier own....it's rice. take off the rose colored glasses. bill......out!
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Based on some of the excellent posts on this subject, I think the bottom line is this: drive the car.
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Here is why Autoweek is so full of it when it comes to the Mustang review.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> LOS ANGELES -- Ford Motor Co. is planning upgrades to its new Mustang after just a few months on the market. Ford product development chief Phil Martens wouldn't provide details of the changes. But he said the upgrades would improve ride and decrease noise, vibration and harshness. "We're very aware of the shelf life of products," Martens said. "We've pulled it ahead." He wouldn't detail the timing of any changes. Though he said he's pleased with the front and rear suspension on the redesigned Mustang, Martens also touted the value of independent rear suspension. The Mustang platform has a solid rear axle but was designed to accommodate an independent rear suspension module. Ford has typically used an independent rear suspension for the high-performance Mustang Cobra SVT. He didn't rule out an eventual move to independent rear suspension for the Mustang platform. Said Martens: "It is undecided." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Some here need to take off your rose colored glasses when it comes to the Mustang. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlexiTim:
Many good points in this string of messages. In my opinion: 1. In a GTO vs Mustang contest the fact is that both are SUPPOSED to be performance cars. I have read Car&Driver and a few other mags. In terms of pure performance the GTO comes out ahead. I am not sure why the GTO is getting slammed when, at least in the quarter mile, the Mustang simply cannot run with it. As some have said here, it must be advertising dollars or some other factor besides performance. 2. Where Mustang shines, is looking like a Mustang of old. GTO is a whole new shape FOR A GTO, and did not bother to try to look retro. Some (like my wife) feel it looks more like a Honda Civic. I am a GTO head, I like GTO's. I like the idea of having 400 horses under the hood and going 0 - 60 in 4.3 seconds. But styling wise, I know she is right. It looks somewhat like a Civic. So the visual appeal insofar as being <ahem> "Muscular" is not there. However since the current run of GTO's is only for 3 years out at Holden/Australia, the word is that the GTO will continue to be produced, but will be re-styled and produced out in GM of Canada and will LOOK like a more retro GTO. 3. Fact is if you took the $9,000 gap in price between the two cars, invested some in Nitrous, you'd have a Ford that can outrun the GTO and still have some extra money for groceries each month. Don't get me wrong. I do not like Fords. Never have. But what Ford has done, marketing and styling-wise, is brilliant. What GM has done - at least in my experience with trying to trade in my 2003 vehicle and drive out in a new GTO - is both arrogant and pathetic. Because they have a car that is faster than hell, looks like a rounded ravioli, and try to push it through a dealer network where the "last one on earth" arrogance is so thick you can cut it with a spoon. I think that come 2006 when Ford comes out with a Cobra version Mustang that will be an essentially Special Vehicle Team built car (ie: darned near hand crafted and blueprinted from the factory), and when that Cobra is being sold for the same $33,000 like a GTO, I think Pontiac is going to have a bigger problem than they have today. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> When it is built in America, the GTO will probably have more of the looks that the vintage GTO guys crave. However, I have a few predictions about that. 1) Pontiac will probably screw something up about the engine (possibly offering a V6 option or the like). 2) GM will probably screw something up on the quality. Right now the fit and finish of my '04 is so good I know they won't "improve" on it. 3) I have an '04 and my '05 should be in very soon now. I want a car that is mainstream in looks (like the original GTOs), has a powerful GM engine (like the original GTOs), performs as well as any car in its price range (like the original GTOs) and is comfortable as an everyday driver (well, for their day, I guess the original GTOs fit that bill too). |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlexiTim:
judge_jury_executioner_69: Man, in one sentence you have just beautifully stated, what a lot of us have been feeling (and posting). Perfect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> thanks. ive been told i have a way with words. |
what i dont understand is that if ford spends a lot on advertising and they write good stuff about it and rag on the GTO then why do people consider the mags a good source. i thought the writers wrote how they felt about the cars until i seen they picked the toyota prius the top car 1 or 2 years in a row. thats when i stopped looking at them unless something catches my eye.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sal:
... I drove both an 04 GTO and 05 Mustang GT the othe day. I'm in the market. I like the Mustang, it has it's looks. But I will tell you the Mustang GT has nothing even on the 04 GTO as far as fit, finish and power. I will wait to test drive an 05 GTO before I make my decision. The Mustang did look nice, but it did not seem to handle as good as the 04 GTO. Going around corners in the 04 GTO with it's IRS firmly plant the wheels to the ground, while the Mustang with it's live axle tends to jump around over bumps. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> My experience exactly, Sal. I drove both on the same day but unlike you I rushed right back to my local Pontiac dealer to snag the last Impulse Blue m6 in my area! You'll be quite satisfied with either the '04 or '05, though the '05's extra 50hp would be fun! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JoeyD:
Well this topic has certainly fostered a lot of banter. Here's my take on it.... JoeyD <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I won't copy it again, but Joey, I couldn't have put it any better! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by William Black:
To each thier own....it's rice. take off the rose colored glasses. bill......out! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Ha! Yeah, Bill, it's rice alright ... rice in its stool! I just had fun humiliating a G35 today! Damn, I kinda like these rose-colored glasses, thank you very much! |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I was looking at it on line, not in the book, I don't have the mag, yet. If the ads are only on line, then I'll admit my mistake.
However all this is a smoke screen to cover the fact that the GTO won in every catagory except the 'got to have one' catagory, which is certainly no more than his opinion! If you guys that own old GTO's can't get past your prejudices, you should at least leave the people who do like them, alone. Let them enjoy thier very nice cars, and stay out of thier business. Did it ever occur to you, unless they ask your opinion, they probably don't want it!? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Good job! I like a guy that spouts off without really knowing what he's talking about. A real credibility enhancer. Smoke screen? Hardly. Opinion? No doubt. Based on back to back driving, under controlled circumstances. What do you base yours on? Prejudices? Read back, I said I didn't care for either car. I take it you don't own the "new" GTO either? What are you doing here? |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Good job! I like a guy that spouts off without really knowing what he's talking about. A real credibility enhancer.
Smoke screen? Hardly. Opinion? No doubt. Based on back to back driving, under controlled circumstances. What do you base yours on? Prejudices? Read back, I said I didn't care for either car. I take it you don't own the "new" GTO either? What are you doing here? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I've driven both cars, so I do have some background. I looked at CD online and saw the Mustang ads and assumed it was the same as the mag, if not, I apologize. Hell, I've been wrong before, unlike some on here. Credibility is not decided by a couple of opinions, your's or others. If you "read back", you will see that I said, "If you guys with old GTO's can't get past your prejudice...." I was refering to all, not just you, and if you don't harbor prjudice, then I wasn't talking to you, at all! |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>PS; For what it's worth, there were three Mustang ads in that mag, not the zero as was claimed here by David Jones, nice try though! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You specifically typed "mag", and said nothing about online. Then tried to make it seem as though I had fabricated my post. Credibility is determined in part by being completely truthful and not trying to make it seem that someone else is not when you really don't know. Credibilty has nothing to do with someones opinion. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you "read back", you will see that I said, "If you guys with old GTO's can't get past your prejudice...." I was refering to all, not just you, and if you don't harbor prjudice, then I wasn't talking to you, at all! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Randy. Really. Not talking to me? Sure seemed like it. Hard to see from your typed words that I wasn't included in your profound statement. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by William Black:
Just got the latest AutoWeek and couldn't believe how hard they slammed the "05 GTO against the Mustang. "The GTO's steering wheel felt heavy, muddy, even numb, the Mustang's had a sharp, immediate turn-in feel and bristled with visceral sensations of the road at every turn." "it simply cannot match the Mustang for feel, style or value" And they wrap the story with: "Overall, the Mustang backs up it's looks with a handling performance that puts to shame the GTO's. It's no contest: The winner is the Mustang GT." They said lots more negitive things. " the styling is total blandsville. It leaves no impression whatsoever." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Funny you picked the most negative things said by two of the FOUR reviewers about the GTO. Why did you post the negative. How about posting what the other two had to say. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> From the moment you slide behind the wheel, crank that awesome small-block and fling it into a corner, you know this GTO shares little with its namesake other than you can havea bunch of fun behind the wheel. I had the pleasure of plying SoCal’s twisty land of canyon runners with a GTO, and it kept up with the best of the lot. Better still, the GTO sounds spectacular, the interior is simple and tough, and it doesn’t back down when taunted. Now GM throws in more horses! Oh, my: This could be the best sleeper sports coupe for the cash. —Dutch Mandel <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>While so many are voting for the Mustang, I’ll take the GTO. Why? Because I love GM’s small-block V8 and I like the subtlety in the GTO’s shape. Call it dull if you want; if it had wings and spoilers and scoops and flares hanging all over it, people would complain about that, too. I also like the GTO’s roomier-than-Mustang interior. Mostly, though, I’m hoping the GTO wakes GM up enough to spawn a Camaro rebirth. —Wes Raynal <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Randy. Really. Not talking to me? Sure seemed like it. Hard to see from your typed words that I wasn't included in your profound statement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ah, still having reading issues, I see. I said, if you harbor no prejudice, then I'm not talking to you at all. I still don't understand all the petty little nit picking, though, while avoiding the fact the GTO beat the Mustang in every way, but one guy's opinion. I guess if you smoke screen long enough, people will forget that? I doubt it. |
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Ah, still having reading issues, I see. I said, if you harbor no prejudice, then I'm not talking to you at all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Then don't make it sound like you are. Inability to clearly make a point............ |
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