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The average American just doesn't seem to get it http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif
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The average American just doesn't seem to get it http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif
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Yeah, you're right, the average American doesn't get it. Sales prove it. On the Volkswagen front, I had a GTI, back in 83. Close ratio 5sp with the early model run shorter final drive. Crap car, but a ball to drive. Loved to feel the inside rear wheel lift on a fast turn. Before that I had a 79 Scirocco. Great little car in need of some horsepower.
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[QUOTE] [ posted November 20, 2004 07:56 PM
Yeah, you're right, the average American doesn't get it. Sales prove it /QUOTE] 65 posts on a VW forum, almost all extremely positive. I think Pontiac has a halo car, which is all the GTO is about. Sales ARE secondary |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Sales ARE secondary <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<span class="ev_code_BLUE">Right</span> http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif |
The advertising industry is a testament to the worth of investing in intangibles such as public perceptions of a brand. An ad compaign is a direct ioss to the bottom line, but ideally a net gain to a business. What ever the immediate financial gain/loss to GM, the volumes on the GTO were never going to produce more than what amounts to small change to GM.
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The public perception of this car has been poor at best. The general consensus being that Pontiac could have done better. Pontiac will spend the next few model years trying to overcome that. Hence the new hood scoops and the "Corvette" motor in the 05. Maybe they could also figure out a way to remove the fuel tank from the trunk. If Pontiac was hoping for a something to improve public perception of the brand, they were wide of the target. Positive comments on a Volkswagen forum will probably not have the powers that be at GM sleeping well. You have one? Enjoy it. Don't delude yourself into thinking this is a watershed moment in GM history.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>GET REAL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Good comeback........... |
OK I've heard this "halo car" BS for about a year now. I didn't know what it meant before, but I think I have a handle on it now.
Apparently, the definition of a halo car is one that does not sell well, competely alienates the carmakers loyal customer base while remaining almost completly unknown to all others. Oh yes, it must also be a rebadged foreign car that is produced on the other side of the planet from the target market. I guess the '88 "Pontiac LeMans" was a "halo car". You can argue a "by design" low volume sales all you want, but you can not claim that this thing has drawn the public into the showrooms to check out the rest of the product line. Two dozen VW owners who like this car... Hardly a marketing coup for GM! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Respect:
The average American just doesn't seem to get it http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Isn't that what some of us have been saying all along? Thanks for supporting our point! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif |
you're right: the average anerican doesn't get it and the stupid ones are buying it.
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Well, I wouldn't go that far. There is plenty good about the machine, it just has not been accepted as the "rebirth" of the legend.
It's just another car, saddled with an unfortunate marketing strategy. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by moomba:
you're right: the average anerican doesn't get it and the stupid ones are buying it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by moomba:
you're right: the average anerican doesn't get it and the stupid ones are buying it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I guess ignorance IS bliss! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif |
No No No. This is not a stupid or smart thing. That is not a good choice of words. The guys that own these cars made a choice to purchase one because they like it. More power to them. We don't need to get to this level.
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I am going to buy an 05 as a daily driver. I
doubt this car will ever be collectible, but my 69 GTO convertible, 79 T/A and 2001 T/A has those bases covered already. I work on cars for a living and drive all kinds of cars every day, and the interior of the GTO is the nicest of anything GM makes bar none. It is not as pretty on the outside as my 69 GTO but what car made in the last 25 years is? The 4th gen firebird was the last good looking 4 place car sold in America in my opinion. The build quality and nice interior features and the way the GTO drives make up a lot of ground in counteracting the exterior styling. The 05 is going to look better with a good looking hood and ram air.... and what about those 400 net horses? That car will suck the doors off my 69 in a drag race and get twice the gas mileage while it is doing it. Also...there were several years of GTO's made in the first eleven year run that were not all that beautiful to look at. The 64 and 65 are too boxy and the 71, 72, 73 and 74 just don't cut it in the looks department in my opinion. If you don't like the new GTO you don't have to buy it...this is a free country, but the fact of the matter is, it is just as attractive as the vast majority of cars anyone else is selling, it goes like stink and has a nicer interior and build quality than any of them. I think the biggest problem with sales in 04 is that they priced it a little too high, but if they hold the line on price in 05 and give us 400 horses....what a bargain! GTOHURSTJUDGE |
The problem with the 04 had nothing to do with price. GM dropped it by nearly 10k and it still didn't sell. The problem was GM under estimated the intellect of their consumer: slapping a GTO badge on an import that looks like every other car out there was both insulting and poor judgement on GM's part. Hopefully somebody will wake Lutz up from his nap and he'll get a clue.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
The problem with the 04 had nothing to do with price. GM dropped it by nearly 10k and it still didn't sell. The problem was GM under estimated the intellect of their consumer: slapping a GTO badge on an import that looks like every other car out there was both insulting and poor judgement on GM's part. Hopefully somebody will wake Lutz up from his nap and he'll get a clue. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> UH? They sold in the last 2 months than the whole rest of the production year. the car handles and accelerates and stops, is built better and has the best interior of any GM car made today and you think it is an insult? LOL, I don't think it is Lutz that needs to find a clue. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
The problem with the 04 had nothing to do with price. GM dropped it by nearly 10k and it still didn't sell. The problem was GM under estimated the intellect of their consumer: slapping a GTO badge on an import that looks like every other car out there was both insulting and poor judgement on GM's part. Hopefully somebody will wake Lutz up from his nap and he'll get a clue. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The only thing about the car that is questionable is the looks of it, which is a purely subjective thing. It is not an ugly car by any means (if you think it is, just picture an Aztec or Element!). It DOES look like everything else out there (a good thing, for me at least), but try buying an import or domestic that has nearly as much going for it as the GTO, even at retail price. With the GTO, you are well into BMW territory performance wise, for a fraction of the price. The fit and finish is great, and it's comfortable to boot. There really isn't any other comparable car (RWD, Manual V8 with ROOM for 4 adults) around, at anywhere near it's price range. I paid $3K less for my '01 Formula back in '00 than I did for a new GTO in September. Arguably, the Formula is a much better LOOKING car, but the GTO blows it away in just about every other aspect. The Formula might have been a tad quicker, but I've never taken either to the track, and on the street, the difference is not noticeable. The ride and comfort level is so far above the Formula, that I don't know how I drove that thing as long as I did! If anything, GM OVER estimated the intellect of it's consumer with the GTO, figuring that people would see past the plain-ish skin and appreciate the subtleties of the whole package, instead of just how it looks. I completely agree that GM exercised poor judgement in this case.... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif That said, as a dyed in the wool GTO fan for my entire life, I wish they had called the '04 something else. Different versions of the same car would have been cool. Offer a LeMans and an optional, fancier GTO package with more HP and some different styling cues like they did back in the day. I really think the '04 GTO would have made the perfect Grand Prix. Just my $.02...... |
"they sold more in the last 2 months than all year"...compared to what? If you're looking at anticipated sales, volume vs. markdown, it's still pathetic. GMs Monaro would have done better under a different name than GTO. As a performance sedan it holds it's own. As a GTO it is a failure. The only ones that like this car are pre-pubescent tuners and they don't have the money to buy one anyways. Look for bigger spoilers, ricer air boxes and fart can exhausts on the 05 as options.
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Man, who pissed in your cherios? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif
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Nobody...This forum would be boring if everybody walked in lockstep with the 04 cheerleading squad. GM is attempting to design a factory tuner and pass it off as a musclecar using an iconic name such as GTO. Trying to save a few bucks using a well-worn and boring fleet design didn't help either. Look at the 05 options and tell me I'm wrong. The only thing they missed was window graphics and a free Fast-n-Furious DVD with each purchase. (give 'em time)
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
"they sold more in the last 2 months than all year"...compared to what? If you're looking at anticipated sales, volume vs. markdown, it's still pathetic. GMs Monaro would have done better under a different name than GTO. As a performance sedan it holds it's own. As a GTO it is a failure. The only ones that like this car are pre-pubescent tuners and they don't have the money to buy one anyways. Look for bigger spoilers, ricer air boxes and fart can exhausts on the 05 as options. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I love the new GTO...... and I went through puberty in 1978....... I personally don't care for the wing either, but (blasphemy!) I think that even a '69-'71 Judge looks better without one. Fortunately, it's easy to remove. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>GM is attempting to design a factory tuner and pass it off as a musclecar using an iconic name such as GTO. Trying to save a few bucks using a well-worn and boring fleet design didn't help either. Look at the 05 options and tell me I'm wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You're wrong Joe. You do know that the new GTO is a V-8 (350 hp LS-1 for '04, 400 hp LS-2 for '05) rear wheel drive car, available with a manual trans with upscale interior and seating for 4 adults? Name another GM, Ford Chrysler, import etc that have these same "well worn" features in a new car, for anywhere near the same money. It may look like a "tuner" car, but it has more in coommon with the old ones than differences, and almost all the differences are good ones. The only downside are the bland looks. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
"they sold more in the last 2 months than all year"...compared to what? If you're looking at anticipated sales, volume vs. markdown, it's still pathetic. GMs Monaro would have done better under a different name than GTO. As a performance sedan it holds it's own. As a GTO it is a failure. The only ones that like this car are pre-pubescent tuners and they don't have the money to buy one anyways. Look for bigger spoilers, ricer air boxes and fart can exhausts on the 05 as options. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Compared to the total of the years sales up until Sept. That is when they started offereing rebates. Rebates that had been on all other brands of cars that competed with a GTO. 2nd, Dealers were not willing to deal on the cars treating them as gold. It happened with the Cobra, EVO, STi and the new C6. Smart shopers are waiting to buy to where they can get the best deal. Again, it does everything better than a GTO. So now it has scoops like the 65 did and exhaust on both sides. They addressed the two biggest complaints by the old bastards who probably wouldn't buy one anyway. Tell them to go buy a Corvette or Mustang. Go look at the people buying them and loving them, they aren't prebubecent. The only one in this thread is the troll that joined Nov.19th and doesn't have the stones to say who he really is. |
" ...doesn't have the stones to say who he really is..." Mr_GTO??? Is that a real name?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
" ...doesn't have the stones to say who he really is..." Mr_GTO??? Is that a real name? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> He's been Mr_GTO on this board for years....... You've been someone else on this board for years, and made up a troll name for the sole purpose of slamming the '04s and their owners. Theres a difference. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif |
They addressed the two biggest complaints by the old bastards who probably wouldn't buy one anyway. Tell them to go buy a Corvette or Mustang.
Once again the 04 cheerleading squad jumps to an erroneous assumption that if one doesn't like the way GM basterdized the GTO then that must mean one is a troll who wants some regurgitated retro rider. Hood scoops are out'...they are on everything now...along with spoilers. If GM is going to try to ressurect an icon then put some thought into it. The fact of the matter is they threw this thing together in 17 months on an outdated chassis based on a fleet design in a vain attempt to cash in on the renewed interest in musclecars. They came in way behind their competitors and so the empahisis was quick production and low costs. They tacked a GTO badge on it in hopes that would sell it for them with little or no thought to a target market. By the way: How many magazine covers has the 2004/2005 GM Monaro been on compared to the C6 Vette or 05 Mustang? |
You've been someone else on this board for years, and made up a troll name for the sole purpose of slamming the '04s and their owners.
Uhh, why would someone be on a board for years for the sole purpose of slamming a car that hadn't even seen production yet??? Whatever...The GM Monaro would probably have done well as a 2 dr. performance version of the Bonneville or as a new model all together. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
You've been someone else on this board for years, and made up a troll name for the sole purpose of slamming the '04s and their owners. Uhh, why would someone be on a board for years for the sole purpose of slamming a car that hadn't even seen production yet??? Whatever.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Your new persona has been registered since 11/19/04. Your old one has been around a lot longer....... |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
You've been someone else on this board for years, and made up a troll name for the sole purpose of slamming the '04s and their owners. Uhh, why would someone be on a board for years for the sole purpose of slamming a car that hadn't even seen production yet??? Whatever...The GM Monaro would probably have done well as a 2 dr. performance version of the Bonneville or as a new model all together. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Why? I don't know, please tell us. Is whatzaa monaro your real name? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif Is this Misus?? Pontiac needed a muscle car, they got it. Its low production, ain't going anywhere. Thank you Pontiac you're on a roll! |
Given the low sales and lack of media coverage Pontiac is on anything but a roll. Perhaps they will learn something from this and put a little more effort into designing a car that the performance automotive buying consumer will instantly recognize as a GTO ( retro or not )and will want to buy. Lutz himself said this car wasn't designed with the collector or former GTO owner in mind. Therein is where they missed their target market. Most people shopping for a BMW or some other high end performance sedan will not give the GM Monaro a second look due to it's bland styling and sub standard finishes ( orange peel , sheep hair!)courtesy of our friends in Australia. We'll see what 05 produces. If GM is smart (not) they will offer huge trade in allowances to those who purchased an 04 who want to trade it in an an 05 provided the 05 is more visually appealing and higher finishing standards.
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Damn, I said I wouldn't entertain...
A feature film, spots on TV, Cover of every major magazine, commercials, print ads, mention on most automotive shows. That's a lack of attention for sure. Wait till the barnstormer 05 hits the media. It wasn't their target market, so how did they miss their target market then again?? Sales were a dealer constraint, proven by the jump in sales when the rebates hit and LOA's removed. Orange peel? I recall someone mentioning that on a pre-production car but have'nt heard anyone mention it since. You have been around for awhile but obviously haven't checked out the real thing. Orang peel is fairly common by the way. Owner satisfaction is there, do some research. The only reason an 04 owner would want to trade up is for that extra Crapstang kicking 50 ponies. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by humbler:
Damn, I said I wouldn't entertain... A feature film, spots on TV, Cover of every major magazine, commercials, print ads, mention on most automotive shows. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You forgot "Pimp My Ride" and "Drifting" Competitions ( drifting???...that'a as weird as the AMC Pacer ) Can U Say : GM Product Placement? BTW: Name 2 MAJOR magazines ( Not Tuners R Us ) |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
[You forgot "Pimp My Ride" and "Drifting" Competitions ( drifting???...that'a as weird as the AMC Pacer ) Can U Say : GM Product Placement? BTW: Name 2 MAJOR magazines ( Not Tuners R Us ) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It has been on Motor Trend TWICE, Autoweek TWICE, Road and Track at least once and multiple times on HPP and PE oh and Car and Driver. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by humbler: Damn, I said I wouldn't entertain... A feature film, spots on TV, Cover of every major magazine, commercials, print ads, mention on most automotive shows. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You forgot "Pimp My Ride" and "Drifting" Competitions ( drifting???...that'a as weird as the AMC Pacer ) Can U Say : GM Product Placement? BTW: Name 2 MAJOR magazines ( Not Tuners R Us ) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It has never been on Pimp my Ride but it has been on Rides. Motor Trend, Autoweek, Automobile, Gm High Tech, Pontiac Enthusiast, High Performance Pontiac, Muscle Car Review, Car and Driver, Road and Track. That enough for you Whatza Moron? |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
GM dropped it by nearly 10k and it still didn't sell. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Where did you go to school? GM has a $3500.00 rebate on it. That's about $6500.00 short of $10,000.00 the last time I checked... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif Your brilliance in posting as displayed on this board is only overshadowed by your abilities to add and subtract... |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Champ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:_ GM dropped it by nearly 10k and it still didn't sell. _ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Where did you go to school? GM has a $3500.00 rebate on it. >>> Yeah, and they're still not selling. Your brilliance in posting as displayed on this board is only overshadowed by your abilities to add and subtract... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I can add and subtract just fine which I was I didn't buy one. If wnat to check math then add and subtract the resale value on a 2004 GM Monaro. Then get a box of tissues |
Work on your spelling then... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
I can add and subtract just fine which I was I didn't buy one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> If you balance your check book the way you quote numbers.... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif You clearly posted: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??: GM dropped it by nearly 10k and it still didn't sell. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Which is either a terrible math mistake by you, or a bold faced lie. Or both... |
Youall have many good points especially the one "it would make a great GranPrix" but missed the real reason for the 04 failure.
Pontiac did not want to hear from their original base and told us so when we gave them input, pre-production and after test runs that I was personally involved in. This car was aimed at the upscale BMW crowd, pure and simple. Now that is has failed to attract that market, they are going to try and entice $30K+ from the same buyers that they didn't want to hear from by adding "options" like the functional ramair scoops on the 2005. If you can afford to buy, make it a 6spd and you will enjoy all aspects of the car after a few computer mods like making it think it is 55degrees for one.. If you opt for an automatic, and I advise against it, plan on competing with that 05 Mustang from a roll at 25mph because if you try to go from the light, the three competing computers will pull timing out of the motor and you will get dusted. We had three computer geeks working with us and could not defeat the computers on a chassis dyno, let alone the track. Now having said all this, if you just want a nice car to cruise in at 130mph and can afford the tarrif, buy it. It is quiet, handles well, stops well and rides great but as is, it's not a GTO. |
I agree that 04 GTO has a blending style, but so does BMW & Mercedes. They've had the same styling for years and those cars are boring and they have no attitude by looking at them either.
For those of you who think that GTO would make a great Grand Prix I disagree, the only thing I'd want from the GTO into the 04 Grand Prix, is the LS1 and the interior, everyone knows that GM makes boring interiors, but from the outside, the new Grand Prix looks a lot better then the GTO, and my dad owns one(04 Grand Prix Comp G.). edit: forgot a few letters/words in there lol. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheWho:
but from the outside, the new Grand Prix looks a lot better then GTO,. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It looks better because it is a 4 door with a longer wheel base. The GM Monaro has a stocky back end with small wheels, doesn't look good. Losing the spoiler would help. The 05 exhaust treatment is definately an improvement provided they don't go with the single fart can tuner treatment. I did see a Phantom black one with some nice after market wheels, rotors, calipers and no spoiler. Overall it was a nice looking car, certainly no GTO, but not bad. The new GTO should have graced every magazine cover, not just the occasional mention from a GM placement test drive evaluation. Hopefully they've learned something. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheWho: but from the outside, the new Grand Prix looks a lot better then GTO,. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> It looks better because it is a 4 door with a longer wheel base. The GM Monaro has a stocky back end with small wheels, doesn't look good. Losing the spoiler would help. The 05 exhaust treatment is definately an improvement provided they don't go with the single fart can tuner treatment. I did see a Phantom black one with some nice after market wheels, rotors, calipers and no spoiler. Overall it was a nice looking car, certainly no GTO, but not bad. The new GTO should have graced every magazine cover, not just the occasional mention from a GM placement test drive evaluation. Hopefully they've learned something. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> 17" rims are small? Have you not seen pictures of the 05 yet? Was the first GTO's so outstanding styling wise they are totally unique? I don't thinks so. You have too look close to make sure it is a Pontiac, and not a Chevelle or Olds. Although there isn't one US car made today that looks like a GTO. Yes it does look like many other European cars and some Japanese cars. The GTO should have graced every mag cover? Why don you tell me which ones it DIDN'T grace. |
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Although there isn't one US car made today that looks like a GTO. [/QUOTE] You're right. I haven't heard any body point to a GrandAm or a Bonneville and say " Hey, that looks like a GTO"... or mistake the back end of a Cavalier or Dodge Neon for the GM Monaro.. It's usually the other way around. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Although there isn't one US car made today that looks like a GTO. [/QUOTE] You're right. I haven't heard any body point to a GrandAm or a Bonneville and say " Hey, that looks like a GTO"... or mistake the back end of a Cavalier or Dodge Neon for the GM Monaro.. It's usually the other way around.[/QUOTE] I know all to well. I never had my GTO called a "Nice Chevelle" before. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif |
I know all to well. I never had my GTO called a "Nice Chevelle" before.
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I know all to well. I never had my GTO called a "Nice Chevelle" before.[/QUOTE]
04 Pep Squad Math : 1 part Monaro + 1 part Chevy + 1 part Grand Am + 1 part Cavalier + 4 parts denial = 2004 GTO. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
04 Pep Squad Math : 1 part Monaro + 1 part Chevy + 1 part Grand Am + 1 part Cavalier + 4 parts denial = 2004 GTO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What part is Chevy and Grand Am and Cavalier? denial is those who know that the new car is 100% than the old one in every way and they just don't want to face that fact. Tell me, which bone stock GTO went 12.9 in the quarter before? |
"Tell me, which bone stock GTO went 12.9 in the quarter before?"
Meaningless drivel. Its completely to the benefit of the few 04 owners to ask this BS question. The 04 benefits from almost 40 years of technological advancement. The old classics can have most of this new technology applied to them. And when you do that, you truly have the best of everything. Adding this new technology is fairly easy. Replacing all the body panels in an attempt to fix the 04 is a whole lot more work. And the 05 aint any better. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tom McQueen:
Meaningless drivel. Its completely to the benefit of the few 04 owners to ask this BS question. The 04 benefits from almost 40 years of technological advancement. The old classics can have most of this new technology applied to them. And when you do that, you truly have the best of everything. Adding this new technology is fairly easy. Replacing all the body panels in an attempt to fix the 04 is a whole lot more work. And the 05 aint any better. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Meaningless? OK, so don't EVER EVER let me hear you or any other person say that 1/4's of the old one were meaningful ok? Yea you're right, it does benefit. Imagine if you built a GTO today that didn't take advantage of it. People would bitch and moan then too I guess. You want retro, go buy a new mustang and be like everyone else on the road that has on and can't tell if it is a 6 banger or a weak V8. You don't ever have to worry about that wtih the GTO. |
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