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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 70455RA:
http://svtperformance.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=142735 http://pysales.com/images/spank.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_razz.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> yup, The poster is right :The GM Monaro is quite pudgey and looks gay. |
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I can show 1 for 1 the opposite if not more, don't even go there...
Did someone say the Cobra wasn't faster anyways?? <<<< Can't argue with these numbers... |
Thats a great story, but. Had they been lined up side by side at a drag strip and the Cobra won I'd say it meant something. To many variables in the way the story was told to really mean anything. You reckon the Cobra owner would have posted anything other than a "kill" on an SVT website.
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It's impossible to continue reading that when SVT Boy claims that GTO's cannot outrun Mach 1's. Please .... What's next, the fart can exhaust?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>claims that GTO's cannot outrun Mach 1's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, someone on this board does own a Mach that turns 12.99 straight from the factory with no mod's. Any '04 takers? http://pysales.com/images/spank.gif |
we are really falling behind...
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Goathead, we aren't talking about 1/8 mile times :-)
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
Well, someone on this board does own a Mach that turns 12.99 straight from the factory with no mod's. Any '04 takers? http://pysales.com/images/spank.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'll put any stock '04 GTO (even the automatic) up against any stock Mustang built during the longest continuous production period of the legendary Mach 1 by Ford. I'll even handicap the GTO by having me drive it (I've got one days experience on a dragstrip), and I'll let you drive the Mach 1 (rumor has it you know what you're doing... Head to head, Danny. And I'll beat you every time... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Champ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goathead: Well, someone on this board does own a Mach that turns 12.99 straight from the factory with no mod's. Any '04 takers? http://pysales.com/images/spank.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'll put any stock '04 GTO (even the automatic) up against any stock Mustang built during the longest continuous production period of the legendary Mach 1 by Ford. I'll even handicap the GTO by having me drive it (I've got one days experience on a dragstrip), and I'll let you drive the Mach 1 (rumor has it you know what you're doing... Head to head, Danny. And I'll beat you every time... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> confidence or bravado? |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KVman389:
confidence or bravado? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Confidence and fact. You could beat Danny every time under the same conditions, also. And I am confident that Danny is very good on the drag strip. There wasn't a factory stock Mach 1 built in that time frame that could touch any stock factory GTO ever built. Even the '74 GTO with the 350 and an automatic could blow the doors off those Mach 1's. |
So, Champ, let me get this right. You will race a bone stock 12.99 Mach One (2004 Model I must add) that run's in hot temperatures with mass amounts of humidity with your automatic '04 and win the 1/4 mile race every time, right? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif
Forget the lights, just plain 1/4 mile ET (so old folks like us can fall asleep at the lights http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif ).... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif Are you absolutely positive pure stock '04 ?... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif You sure? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif PS: The only Ford I own is a F250 Supercrew Diesel, so it is not me... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif |
Danny
Read what I wrote. I am absolutely positive that you couldn't beat me, even though in equal cars you'd blow me away... There is just no way that ANY stock Mustang built during the longest continuous period of Mach 1 production could beat any stock GTO ever built. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Champ:
Danny Read what I wrote. I am absolutely positive that you couldn't beat me, even though in equal cars you'd blow me away... There is just no way that _ANY_ stock Mustang built during the longest continuous period of Mach 1 production could beat any stock GTO ever built. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ...Apparently your username was not earned at the dragstrip if you think like that.... |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Apparently your username was not earned at the dragstrip if you think like that <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ROFLMAO http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif |
Champ, which years where those?
For those that haven't understood the implications of what they read. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif And, I believe you're right, btw. |
What year is this bone stock Mack I that runs 12.99 at the track? That would be some news I would expect to be plastered all over the automotive magazine world ... since to the best of my knowledge that car simply doesn't exist.
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Lee who lists his location as Texas says his Mach 1 will do 12.99. Click find and search for 12.99. Champ was playing with words. "longest continuous" isn't a late model. He took lessons from mr-gto.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Jones:
Lee who lists his location as Texas says his Mach 1 will do 12.99. Click find and search for 12.99. Champ was playing with words. "longest continuous" isn't a late model. He took lessons from mr-gto. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> MuscleCarClub.com 50 fastest: # 46: 1969 Mustang Mach 1 : 13.90 @ 103.2 # 47: 1967 GTO : 13.90 @ 102.8 Didn't Champ say that no Mach 1 has ever been faster than any GTO ???? |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Champ:
Danny Read what I wrote. I am absolutely positive that you couldn't beat me, even though in equal cars you'd blow me away... There is just no way that _ANY_ stock Mustang built during the longest continuous period of Mach 1 production could beat any stock GTO ever built. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Musclecarclub.com 50 fastest: #46 1969 Mach 1 :13.90 @ 103.2 #47 1967 GTO :13.90 @ 102.8 ...seems faster to me...owned 3 Goats and I've never owned a 'Stang but I'll give credit where credit is due. |
I'm not trying to argue with Champ, but I for one don't have a problem believing old Stangs could occasionally outrun old GTO's. They were both plenty slow ....
I do have a problem believing a new stock Mach 1 Mustang would touch a 12.99 - I would have to call BS on that one. Mike M |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Jones:
Thats a great story, but. Had they been lined up side by side at a drag strip and the Cobra won I'd say it meant something. To many variables in the way the story was told to really mean anything. You reckon the Cobra owner would have posted anything other than a "kill" on an SVT website. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Accually there are a few stories of cobras getting beat on there ,just doesn't happen very often. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by red70goat:
MuscleCarClub.com 50 fastest: # 46: 1969 Mustang Mach 1 : 13.90 @ 103.2 # 47: 1967 GTO : 13.90 @ 102.8 Didn't Champ say that no Mach 1 has ever been faster than any GTO ???? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What Champ DID say was: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'll put any stock '04 GTO (even the automatic) up against any stock Mustang built during the longest continuous production period of the legendary Mach 1 by Ford. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> And Champ is absolutely, positively correct. The original Mach 1 was introduced in 1969 as body style 63C, body code 02 and ran until 1970 before being replaced. 2 years. The next version was body code 05, body style 63R witch ran from 1971 - 1973. 3 years. Then Ford committed a heinous crime to this venerable name, by reintroducing it in the Pinto/Mustang of 1974. At least they did put that powerful German built 105 HP V6 in to replace the Pinto's 2.3 liter 4 cylinder powerplant that was standard fare for the Mustang. This version lasted through the 1978 model, or 5 years. http://www.mach1registry.com/history/photos/77m2m1.jpg This was a trick statement from the beginning, but what the heck... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif I got ya'll going on that one, and it gave me an opportunity to showcase that heralded period of Mustang production when NO V8's were available in a Mustang despite using the name Mach 1. And Danny, tell me you could beat me while I was driving any stock GTO in the 1/4 mile with you behind the wheel of a stock 105 HP 6 banger Mustang Mach 1... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif |
[QUOTEAnd Danny, tell me you could beat me while I was driving any stock GTO in the 1/4 mile with you behind the wheel of a stock 105 HP 6 banger Mustang Mach 1...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Champ:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by red70goat: MuscleCarClub.com 50 fastest: # 46: 1969 Mustang Mach 1 : 13.90 @ 103.2 # 47: 1967 GTO : 13.90 @ 102.8 Didn't Champ say that no Mach 1 has ever been faster than any GTO ???? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What Champ _DID_ say was: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'll put any stock '04 GTO (even the automatic) up against any stock Mustang built during the longest continuous production period..... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Oh big deal! EVERBODY knows that. That is no different than when the once mighty Dodge Charger died a slow and emabarrasing death. Everybody knows by the mid to late 70's the performance era was pretty much over. That's like comparing a Minor League Baseball (MLB) team in the West to Major League Baseball (also MLB) in the East and saying "See,no MLB team in the West has ever beaten an MLB team in the East". Pretty lame Champ. Tell us something we don't already know. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
If you have bad gas and flat tires, maybe... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I don't know Danny, those Mach 1's were mighty slow. Bad gas and flat tires may not be enough of a handicap... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by red70goat:
Everybody knows by the mid to late 70's the performance era was pretty much over. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well, I guess if you take a 1974 GTO and put it up against a 1974 Mach 1, that isn't a fair comparison in your misguided opinion... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif I guess I am glad Pontiac let the GTO die, rather than make it a very limp wristed car with an anemic V6 (imported no less) like Ford did with the Mach 1. Now Pontiac has brought back a great performing, great handling V8 RWD car and all we here from the peanut gallery is that the styling should be different and that they are defaming the GTO name. Most of these same folks go on at length that Pontiac should do like Ford with the Mustang. Well, I just showed you what Ford did with the Mustang Mach 1. And I think that is a more heinous thing than what Pontiac did. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by red70goat: Pretty lame Champ. Tell us something we don't already know. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Danny didn't think it was lame, and I value his opinion much more than yours... |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Texas says his Mach 1 will do 12.99 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was there and could not believe it. It was fairly new with no mod's, and the outside temp was about 85* at around 7 pm and the humidity was at least 90% (typical south Texas summer night). http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif |
you put a better driver in a slower car and a shi**y driver in a faster car and it woudl make a world of diffrence.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Now Pontiac has brought back a great performing, great handling V8 RWD car and all we here from the peanut gallery is that the styling should be different and that they are defaming the GTO name. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What constitutes "the peanut gallery"? Somebody whos opinion is different? Is the peanut gallery all the folks that have left them sitting on dealers lots because of various reasons? Bloated Cavalier styling, price, idiot dealers, no trunk. |
[/QUOTE]Well, someone on this board does own a Mach that turns 12.99 straight from the factory with no mod's. Any '04 takers? http://pysales.com/images/spank.gif[/QUOTE]
Ok. http://ultimategto.com/carshows/bondurant04/04_3502.jpg |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Jones:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Now Pontiac has brought back a great performing, great handling V8 RWD car and all we here from the peanut gallery is that the styling should be different and that they are defaming the GTO name. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What constitutes "the peanut gallery"? Somebody whos opinion is different? Is the peanut gallery all the folks that have left them sitting on dealers lots because of various reasons? Bloated Cavalier styling, price, idiot dealers, no trunk. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Time and time again the Monaro Glee Club Elite show their true colors. |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Howie:
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, someone on this board does own a Mach that turns 12.99 straight from the factory with no mod's. Any '04 takers? http://pysales.com/images/spank.gif[/QUOTE] Ok. http://ultimategto.com/carshows/bondurant04/04_3502.jpg [/QUOTE] oh jeez...is it 1974 again? |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Time and time again the Monaro Glee Club Elite show their true colors. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Wow, now that was insightful. Is that how you answer a question you are unable to answer? |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Jones:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Time and time again the Monaro Glee Club Elite show their true colors. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Wow, now that was insightful. Is that how you answer a question you are unable to answer? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I wasn't referencing any question that had been posted but to the erroneous generalizations ( aka "peanut gallery" ) that others have of people who oppose what GM has done to the GTO. |
Say whuut????? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Jones:
Say whuut????? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> When I replied to your post it probably appeared I was the one generated the comment "peanut gallery". I should have specified that what you asked to who ever posted that comment was a good question and an astute observation. My reply was in the context of agreeing with you as to their generalizations of people who oppose the 2004 GTO. |
So, what does that have to do with a 12.99 factory stock Mach One verses an '04 Pontiac..... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif
Still no takers?.... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I do have a problem believing a new stock Mach 1 Mustang would touch a 12.99 - I would have to call BS on that one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Since I am obviously lying, it must be a sure bet, and still no takers? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>When I replied to your post it probably appeared I was the one generated the comment "peanut gallery". I should have specified that what you asked to who ever posted that comment was a good question and an astute observation. My reply was in the context of agreeing with you as to their generalizations of people who oppose the 2004 GTO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by judge_jury_executioner_69:
you put a better driver in a slower car and a shi**y driver in a faster car and it would make a world of diffrence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> i was refering to that ford guy talking about beating a GTO on the other forum. |
Yes, and that story (on the SVT forum) is almost the exact opposite of what happened with my '04 GTO. I was getting ON the interstate in my BLACK '04 GTO and the Cobra was behind ME revving his engine while we waited for the turn light. When we took off, he couldn't even TOUCH me as we went uphill on the freeway entrance ramp...fact is, I didn't know it was a Cobra until I backed my Goat down to cruising speed and ALLOWED him to pass me, then I saw the stampings and smiled real big...now that's a true story...that Ford forum guy must be dreaming because the Cobra behind me wasn't even close to catching me...but maybe the Ford guys who are trolling on this forum will say...oh, but it was because you were going uphill, or some lame excuse...
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Or maybe nobody believes you any more than they believe the SVT guy.........
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That's the best one I've heard yet. Couldn't even catch up.I have 12.40 time slip when all I had was cold air ind. and a catback on the stock tires.All you would hear of mine is a blower whine smoken by.You better make sure to keep playing with the older cobras and not a 03/04. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rabon:
Yes, and that story (on the SVT forum) is almost the exact opposite of what happened with my '04 GTO. I was getting ON the interstate in my BLACK '04 GTO and the Cobra was behind ME revving his engine while we waited for the turn light. When we took off, he couldn't even TOUCH me as we went uphill on the freeway entrance ramp...fact is, I didn't know it was a Cobra until I backed my Goat down to cruising speed and ALLOWED him to pass me, then I saw the stampings and smiled real big...now that's a true story...that Ford forum guy must be dreaming because the Cobra behind me wasn't even close to catching me...but maybe the Ford guys who are trolling on this forum will say...oh, but it was because you were going uphill, or some lame excuse... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> |
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I was getting ON the interstate in my BLACK '04 GTO and the Cobra was behind ME revving his engine <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Grow some balls, screw the interstate and show up at the track. Street racing is not real racing.....especially just flooring it on the fly.... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif |
I never said anything about flooring it on the fly. I was ahead of the guy but we took off from a light and I left him...EASILY. That's a fact...like it or not...
Sure, interstate racing isn't real racing, I'll grant you that. The guy in the Cobra probably didn't know how to drive it that's for sure because I am certainly not the racing expert that many of you guys are (and I mean that sincerely). Nevertheless, the story is true no matter how many Ford fans want to think its not. |
As to whether it was an 03/04 Cobra, I'm no Ford expert but it looked like an '03, the stampings were on the rocker panels and on the rear facia if that means anything to you Ford guys. Doesn't mean anything to me.
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You do have to watch out for the blown Cobras - Although a bit weak stock, they can make TONS of power for very little money. Smaller pulley, retune, exhaust ... watch out. Same goes for the Lightning trucks.
But in general, when a GT/Cobra person tells me that outran an LS1, I ask the same question >> "Are you sure the other driver knew you guys were racing?" Mike M |
OK, so now direct answer on the '04 Mach question....very interesting.... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif
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