I'm bored. Lets start an argument, er ah I mean uh discussion. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

I'm bored. Lets start an argument, er ah I mean uh discussion. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

ok what would you like to disscuss ?

you want some of this... ? ehhh.

teh heh he ... look at David Jones in this pic taking a picture of his dad's GTO, hahaha ! , dad's car.htm is just to thow us off.

http://mpg.cc/thomaspictures/gto9_large.jpg

Brilliant. Exactly what is it I'm throwing you from? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif Mr gto, who is an internet super slueth, would have noted that the pictures are posted on the eleven year old son of David Jones' web site. Hence the "dads car" reference. Ha!!!!! I'm right again!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, hold all applause http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

Hey, I'd rather be mistaken for a kid taking a picture of Pops GTO then my car being mistaken for Grandmas GrandAm. At least that's what my son said when we went to look at the 04 "GTO " : "Look Dad, it's just like Grammys' car"!!!!

if you read my post again...
you would realise that i knew it was your son, old grumpy man. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

Hey DJ, I think we have one going over on the "Americans don't get it" thread! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 455HOGT37:
Hey DJ, I think we have one going over on the "Americans don't get it" thread! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You mean the Americans don't WANT it thread ?

That would be the one.

ever notice how the aussies are quick to attach themselves to the gto but the americans don't want anything to do with a monaro???

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> ever notice how the aussies are quick to attach themselves to the gto but the americans don't want anything to do with a monaro??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Makes sense to me from both sides of the planet... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> ever notice how the aussies are quick to attach themselves to the gto but the americans don't want anything to do with a monaro??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Makes sense to me from both sides of the planet... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I personally don't dislike the Monaro as a Monaro. It doesn't really do anything for me but for what it is it's ok. I just don't like it as a GTO. Lutz must have been smoking a joint or something and thought it was 1974 again : Tagging the butt ugly Ventura as a GTO thinking it would sell. That same erroneous philosophy has been used with the GM Monaro.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I personally don't dislike the Monaro as a Monaro. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.....it is not a legend, it is a Monaro that should try and make it's own legend if it can.... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

Obviously, Goathead, you need to go to the Holden website and check out the history of the Monaro. In another post I instructed whatza monaro?? to do the same. Once you have done that, then maybe you will be informed enough to make comments about the '04 GTO.

So thats the key. Bone up Danny. "Monaro IS GTO Dumb A..!" says what a lot of folks think about the car. Great username.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> ever notice how the aussies are quick to attach themselves to the gto but the americans don't want anything to do with a monaro??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Makes sense to me from both sides of the planet... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I personally don't dislike the Monaro as a Monaro. It doesn't really do anything for me but for what it is it's ok. I just don't like it as a GTO. Lutz must have been smoking a joint or something and thought it was 1974 again : Tagging the butt ugly Ventura as a GTO thinking it would sell. That same erroneous philosophy has been used with the GM Monaro. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually the the '74 outsold both '72 and '73 model years! Now go get your toy Vette and climb on mommie's knee for a little.... http://pysales.com/images/spank.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>then maybe you will be informed enough to make comments about the '04 GTO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For some reason I think that I am informed enough to comment about the two of them. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

I was driving when the true GTO came out back in '64, and I have test driven the new ugly relabled '04 also. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

I have owned 7 GTO's in my lifetime, and a few Firebirds also. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

So, what makes you more qualified than I am? Hell, you are probabley not even 30 years old yet... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

PS: I am at least informed enough to know when a loser is a loser...and that is what the Holden is in the US, don't need any website to figure that out, or do you? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

I own an '04 and am quite a few years beyond 30. You test drove? What? The six speed? Many (and I mean MANY) people think that the Tempest is ugly. You don't object to the '04 because you THINK its ugly. I'm sure you think other years were ugly too. Tell the truth, you object to it because its what? and import? The best built GTO (aside from maybe the Ferrari GTO) to ever roll out of a factory whether U.S. or Australian? Again: What body would you have used to make it pretty? Still too scared to answer? What body should Lutz have used?

Personally, I don't care about pretty. I care that MY factory GTO can kick the a$$ of any other factory GTO ever built and ride better and get better gas mileage doing it.

PS to Goathead: How many units of any V8 RWD muscle car has any automaker sold? In order to be in the class of the GTO (and then not really) even the Mustang has to be in the Cobra package. How many Cobras sold in 2004? How many others?

PPS to Goathead: Finally, yes, before you ask, I have driven a '65. Personally I like the looks but it drives like a boat and handles like a rudderless one.

Rabon, maybe my grandson can help you out. He knows what a real GTO is, just ask him.... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

ROFLMAO.....

still didn't answer the question.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> You test drove? What? The six speed? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>and import? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Again: What body would you have used to make it pretty? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Design one of theier own.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Still too scared to answer? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Personally, I don't care about pretty. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Obviously http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>How many units of any V8 RWD muscle car has any automaker sold? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't care about any other cars, do you? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I have driven a '65. Personally I like the looks but it drives like a boat and handles like a rudderless one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have not driven mine, have you? Why are you coming down on a "true" established 35 year old legend? Are you running out of arguements to justify your relabled Australian clone? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

PS Bonehead: If the old GTO was so really really awefull, why is GM trying to sell this car using that really really awefull name? Just food for thought... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif

Goathead wrote: Design one of theier own.

Again, to build a completely new platform for JUST the GTO would have cost too much money in 1964 OR 2004. Pontiac used and EXISTING platform in 1964!!! So, what EXISTING platform should Pontiac have used in 2004? Tell me! Its easy to say just build one...blah blah blah. Personally a 350 HP sunfire doesn't appeal to me very much, nor does a V8 Montana or Aztec for that matter. Give me an existing platform.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Pontiac used and EXISTING platform in 1964!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They sure did. They put one big bad ass Pontiac motor in the smallest, lighest Pontiac body that they could, and made one hellava "don't even think about it" street car.

Now they just rebadged an import that can't even fit true dual exhaust on it and loaded some ships up headed for the land of the free... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

But even then, it failed to "move" the buyer it was aimed at, whoever that was (I am still not sure about that either, and aparently, neither is GM)... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
it failed to "move" the buyer it was aimed at, whoever that was <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tuners.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Now they just rebadged an import that can't even fit true dual exhaust on it and loaded some ships up headed for the land of the free...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mine has dual exhaust on it!

Danny and David just keep showing their ignorance about this car.

Comical really.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> keep showing their ignorance about this car. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank God. If we knew anymore bad stuff about it, we may have to go to buying old Chevy's.... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tripower455:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Now they just rebadged an import that can't even fit true dual exhaust on it and loaded some ships up headed for the land of the free...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mine has dual exhaust on it! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Danny knows what true dual are: Exhaust exiting the block and running entirely as seperate exhausts to exhaust exit. Most referance to "true duals" are made in context of appearance. The 04 GM Monaro has the appearance that somebody at Beavis and LutzHead Inc. forgot to install the obligatory fartcan commonly found exiting on one side.

More spin on the ignorance....... The GTO has, by any definition, true dual exhaust.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think Danny knows what true dual are: Exhaust exiting the block and running entirely as seperate exhausts to exhaust exit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree, he most likely does know what dual exhaust is. He just isn't aware that the GTO has it.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Most referance to "true duals" are made in context of appearance. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What color is the sky in your world?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The 04 GM Monaro has the appearance that somebody at Beavis and LutzHead Inc. forgot to install the obligatory fartcan commonly found exiting on one side. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, but it is still "true dual" exhaust, even though it doesn't look like it.

By your twisted definition, the 4th gen F bodies have "true duals" (they don't, btw) since they exit on opposite sides, but share a single muffler.

Anyone that doesn't know that the '04 GTO has absolutely true DUAL exhaust really has shown his ignorance of this car. You know NOTHING about this car. TWIN cats, TWIN mufflers. The pipes never inter-twine from front to back. They only come CLOSE at the rear and even then exit SEPARATELY, dumba$$es. I own one and so does Tripower455, why don't you look at one sometime? Don't even presume to make anymore comments about the '04 until you have AT LEAST looked at one. Go back to the vintage model chats and show your ignorance there.

Yeah, Rabon, I read someone else commenting on the "lack of true dual exhaust", but it DOES have duals, they just exit side by side on the '04. By the way, I've now driven 4 GTO's, two autos & two 6 speeds, & the wife has agreed to the 6spd!! My shopping is over, will deal tomorrow with the dealer on a blue '04 that has sat at another dealership for 180 days!! Should be able to make a decent deal on it & I can't believe these cars haven't all been sold - one drive was all it took for me & I've driven 8 different models in my search (with the G35 being the closest contender in best fun with a back seat). IMHO GTO wins due to superiority in everything including price!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rabon:
Goathead wrote: Design one of theier own.

Again, to build a completely new platform for JUST the GTO would have cost too much money in 1964 OR 2004. Pontiac used and EXISTING platform in 1964!!! So, what EXISTING platform should Pontiac have used in 2004? Tell me! Its easy to say just build one...blah blah blah. Personally a 350 HP sunfire doesn't appeal to me very much, nor does a V8 Montana or Aztec for that matter. Give me an existing platform. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Here's an idea... Don't design a whole new car for the "GTO" name, but come up with a new sticker for the Holden!!! This move alone would satisfy 75% of the "Old School", and have no effect on the "young and clueless" or indifferent. Everyone wins!

Pontiac GTO: 1964-1974 R.I.P!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Here's an idea... Don't design a whole new car for the "GTO" name, but come up with a new sticker for the Holden!!! This move alone would satisfy 75% of the "Old School", and have no effect on the "young and clueless" or indifferent. Everyone wins!

Pontiac GTO: 1964-1974 R.I.P! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't that what they did, only using GTO badges? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

OK Tripower, you got me... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

My point is that it is not a foregone conclusion that the Pontiac GTO name HAD to be reused. Bring the car, yes... Just leave the GTO name on the shelf for a while longer... That in and of itself backfired as a marketing trick... It was not a draw to most of the buyers, and angered many of us "old School" types. Overall it went negative as a strategy.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 455HOGT37:
OK Tripower, you got me... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

My point is that it is not a foregone conclusion that the Pontiac GTO name HAD to be reused. Bring the car, yes... Just leave the GTO name on the shelf for a while longer... That in and of itself backfired as a marketing trick... It was not a draw to most of the buyers, and angered many of us "old School" types. Overall it went negative as a strategy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree 100%. I wish they had called it something else. IMHO, the new one is the perfect Grand Prix or even Grand Am. I still bought one, since it's really a nice car.

I'm pretty sure when it comes to this car, you and I could post under each others user names and no one would know the difference. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Yeah, Rabon, I read someone else commenting on the "lack of true dual exhaust", but it DOES have duals, they just exit side by side on the '04. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://highperformancepontiac.com/fe...owgto_10_s.jpg

Npw why couldn't they taken the pipes out of seperate sides? That's my point.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goathead:


Npw why couldn't they taken the pipes out of seperate sides? That's my point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Gas tank???

Now that's dual exhaust..

http://www.pontiac.com/gto/images/bg_image11.jpg

You mean the trunk mounted gas tank? It looks plenty clear to me, but I will look at a friend of mine's again this week... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif