I just bought an '04 GTO last week, I drove it and was instantly sold. Personally, I think the car is bad ass. Performance is great, but so is the fit and finish. I agree, the GTO badge may have been a poor marketing choice, but otherwise the car in and of itself is quite stunning. GM gives us the car many of us want (affordable,LS 1 V-8, rear drive, 6 speed, coupe) and collectively we say F U to the effort, I don't get it. I'm amazed by how angry some poeple are about a car that delivers the goods where it counts, what's up with that? How about some support for a good first effort? This is the first American car I've ever purchased, so on that front, GM has succeded by keeping me out of the Acura dealership.

On the other hand, I think I've figured it out; this is the first understyled Pontiac product in decades that people outside of the heartland actually like. And for those that actually like the overstyled, plastic body cladding, hood scoop craziness pontiac normally puts out, the new GTO certainly misses the mark. Give it time though, Pontiac will deliver the car all you haters want.

I just bought an '04 GTO last week, I drove it and was instantly sold. Personally, I think the car is bad ass. Performance is great, but so is the fit and finish. I agree, the GTO badge may have been a poor marketing choice, but otherwise the car in and of itself is quite stunning. GM gives us the car many of us want (affordable,LS 1 V-8, rear drive, 6 speed, coupe) and collectively we say F U to the effort, I don't get it. I'm amazed by how angry some poeple are about a car that delivers the goods where it counts, what's up with that? How about some support for a good first effort? This is the first American car I've ever purchased, so on that front, GM has succeded by keeping me out of the Acura dealership.

On the other hand, I think I've figured it out; this is the first understyled Pontiac product in decades that people outside of the heartland actually like. And for those that actually like the overstyled, plastic body cladding, hood scoop craziness pontiac normally puts out, the new GTO certainly misses the mark. Give it time though, Pontiac will deliver the car all you haters want.

If this your first American car, then it is no wonder why you are confused. Spend a few decades working on the classics and you will understand.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 455HOGT37:
If this your first American car, then it is no wonder why you are confused. Spend a few decades working on the classics and you will understand. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've spent over 2 decades working on the classics, and I still bought a new one... Do I understand? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

I'm going to buy one also... I think we both understand.

Not that there is any "right or wrong" in it, but a person who has only owned ricers CAN'T understand. That's the difference.

The "anger" comes from the folks who think the car doesn't desrve the GTO name. On our side the "anger" comes from the insults received when we argue a point.

Then again this is a forum, most topics in the lobby turn into some sort of a piss contest.

I don't think anybody is really angry just annoyed, well maybe a couple...

I'm happy. You guys are fun........ http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

I'm not angry. It's amusing to watch the 04 pep squad defend a failure. The generalizations are only too predictable: If you don't like the half-assed effort GM put into ressurecting an icon then you must be some retro troll who wants another boring car with outdated hood scoops, spoilers, etc. Perhaps GM could learn something from the C6 boys...a redesigned icon with enough subtle retro cues that is clearly a winner.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
I'm not angry. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What emotion would cause a rational human to register a new user account for the sole purpose of trolling. Jealousy?


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> It's amusing to watch the 04 pep squad defend a failure. The generalizations are only too predictable: If you don't like the half-assed effort GM put into ressurecting an icon then you must be some retro troll who wants another boring car with outdated hood scoops, spoilers, etc. Perhaps GM could learn something from the C6 boys...a redesigned icon with enough subtle retro cues that is clearly a winner. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get over it. You don't like the new car, great. Go buy a Rustang, since you really seem impressed by it's looks. Those of us in the "pep squad" have valid reasons for being in it, and have not registered new accounts for the sole purpose of trolling. The new GTO has a lot more going for it than not, and has more in common with the classic GTO than differences.

Because you can't get over it's admittedly bland styling is a personal problem that seems to be getting worse.

Kill the new user name, and maybe come up with a new argument, other than styling, to crap on the new GTO. Most of us agree that the styling is bland. NEXT!

We've seen the birth of a new genre of username and usage of it. Trendsetter? I don't think so. Long life expectancy on the boards? I don't think so.

[ Jealousy?

...Jeez, get over yourself dude!! Jealous of what? I'll keep my 740i & my C5 until Pontiac comes up with a real GTO thank you.


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Nobody is saying the GM Monaro is a bad car. On it's own it's a worthy performance sedan fitting in nicely with the G6, GP, etc. As a GTO it's a failure. The lack of sales prove that. There are those of us who have had GTOs (I've had 3: 66,68,70) that have been patiently waiting for GM to come out with a new GTO and they give us a Monaro???...that looks like a GrandAm???...with a Cavalier back end???...at $30k+???... C'mon GM, for $30k you can do a helluva lot better than that.

[QUOTE]" This is the first American car I've ever purchased"

...where is this car made again?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
Nobody is saying the GM Monaro is a bad car. On it's own it's a worthy performance sedan fitting in nicely with the G6, GP, etc. As a GTO it's a failure. The lack of sales prove that. There are those of us who have had GTOs (I've had 3: 66,68,70) that have been patiently waiting for GM to come out with a new GTO and they give us a Monaro???...that looks like a GrandAm???...with a Cavalier back end???...at $30k+???... C'mon GM, for $30k you can do a helluva lot better than that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, why not post under your usual user name?

I waited a long time for a new GTO as well (I also have had 3 GTOs, 2 '66's and an '04), and was very dissapointed in the looks of the new one. After driving one, it looked a lot better to me, especially with the rebates offered starting in Sept.

Show me ANY car for $30k that, overall, will fit in even close to the same mold as the new GTO. I'll save you the time. There aren't any.

We agree that it should have been called something else.

Next argument.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'll keep my 740i & my C5 until Pontiac comes up with a real GTO thank you.


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Finally, that explains it all... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'll keep my 740i & my C5 until Pontiac comes up with a real GTO thank you.


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Finally, that explains it all[/QUOTE]

Yeah that'd be really smart of me to trade in something that actually has some resale value on something that won't.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tripower455:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
I'm not angry. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What emotion would cause a rational human to register a new user account for the sole purpose of trolling. Jealousy?

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bland styling is a personal problem that seems to be getting worse.

NEXT![/QUOTE]

...chill out..it's just a car. As far as "NEXT": spoiler yay or nay?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...chill out..it's just a car. As far as "NEXT": spoiler yay or nay?
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I am done with you troll..........

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I'll keep my 740i & my C5 until Pontiac comes up with a real GTO thank you.


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Finally, that explains it all <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah that'd be really smart of me to trade in something that actually has some resale value on something that won't.[/QUOTE]

http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif The point being, why would anyone trade in a 740i or Vette for a GTO?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tripower455:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...chill out..it's just a car. As far as "NEXT": spoiler yay or nay?
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I am done with you troll.......... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

oh c'mon...it was just getting fun. So if Lutz pulls his head out and decides that the 04 GM Monaro was a disaster as a GTO does that make HIM a troll too?? If the designers @ GM put some retro cues on because they think it needs it does that make them trolls? I'm so glad we have you people in the 04 Glee Club to let us know how mistaken we are for not falling all over ourselves for the 2004 GM Monaro.

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I'm sorry, I just joined this chat site and read these old comments by whatza monaro??. Every responder to this moron seems not to have gone to the Holden website, looked at the history of the Monaro and seen that the GTO style and platform was shipped downunder only to come back from the Holden branch of GM some 30 years later as a more refined and evolved muscle car. Those who ask "whatza monaro??" evidently don't know that the Monaro WAS and now IS the GTO. Who ever mr. 740i and Vette really is also needs to know that my stock '04 Goat eats anything comparably priced for lunch and after I've shot down a Cobra...yes a Cobra...the guy in the Stang sure don't think my Goat looks so bland! Its about the Muscle...not the lines.

Actually, most of us are well aware of the fact the Monaro is derived from the GM A-body.

But we went through that informational process for the uninformed over a year ago.

Many here don't like the car for various reasons, but are able to have intelligent conversations about the car. I have no problem with that.

Then we have "whatza"... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

Champ, we agree.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by David Jones:
Champ, we agree. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif

Thanks for bringing me up to speed Champ. From now on I will be using my real handle, which is Rabon. However, I am a new member of the forum.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Champ, we agree <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

David, back away from the crack pipe.... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

Yes, we can agree to disagree. I don't think that this car is a GTO, and I surely dont think it is nice looking.

Yes, it run's decent, and handles well, but it did not make a serious impact on the automotive world, and it does not deserve to be named after a legend.

Call it what it is, a Monero, and they will still sell 16K a year, but it should NOT be relabeled s GTO... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

As Rodney King once so famously said "why can't we all just get a bong" http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

Whatzamacallit should just wake up and proceed into the 21st century. He will probably not find merit in any thing Pontiac puts out within his lifetime. Maybe he should just find content and enjoy the old GTOs for what they are/were. He seems to think that Pontiac is eagerly awaiting his definition of what a GTO should be. He too, in time will eventually realize that this car is too good to NOT be called a GTO. Then again, maybe he won't.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> He too, in time will eventually realize that this car is too good to NOT be called a GTO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get real... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

Whatza Monaro really does own a C5 and a 740i, the Vette is 1/64 and the Bimmer is a poster on the wall next the pic of his mom in a bikini! http://pysales.com/images/spank.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tripower455:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
Nobody is saying the GM Monaro is a bad car. On it's own it's a worthy performance sedan fitting in nicely with the G6, GP, etc. As a GTO it's a failure. The lack of sales prove that. There are those of us who have had GTOs (I've had 3: 66,68,70) that have been patiently waiting for GM to come out with a new GTO and they give us a Monaro???...that looks like a GrandAm???...with a Cavalier back end???...at $30k+???... C'mon GM, for $30k you can do a helluva lot better than that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, why not post under your usual user name?

I waited a long time for a new GTO as well (I also have had 3 GTOs, 2 '66's and an '04), and was very dissapointed in the looks of the new one. After driving one, it looked a lot better to me, especially with the rebates offered starting in Sept.

Show me ANY car for $30k that, overall, will fit in even close to the same mold as the new GTO. I'll save you the time. There aren't any.

We agree that it should have been called something else.

Next argument. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

im only 22 so im not old enough to be working on these cars for a few decades. there are some cars that will fit the mold of a new gto. i know several younger kids that are into imports and i catch crap about my car all the time. so the cars i can think of that can hang with the new GTO are imports since no other domestic car under $35,000 ish can hang with it. maybe a GT or a cobra but i dont know how much they run in the 1/4 or price tag. what upsets me is that it seems like GM half a**ed it. if you can take a import with a turbo 4 banger and beat the new gto in the 1/4 (both cars stock) theres something wrong. gm could have done better.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:
I'm not angry. It's amusing to watch the 04 pep squad defend a failure. The generalizations are only too predictable: If you don't like the half-assed effort GM put into ressurecting an icon then you must be some retro troll who wants another boring car with outdated hood scoops, spoilers, etc. Perhaps GM could learn something from the C6 boys...a redesigned icon with enough subtle retro cues that is clearly a winner. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Is this your quote?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What a waste of good film. I'd be embarrassed to have that bloated " Gee, I wish a was a GTO but I think I'm a Grand Am or mabe a Bonnevile Kangaroo Wagon" in my driveway.Please tell us you imposed that picture from a brochure. Nobody could be that stupid as to actually purchase Bob Lutzs' miserable failure. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

NO 2004 4 ME

My bet it is. If not it's your evil twin. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

You need to lighten up and get a life. It's just a car, really it is.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> gm could have done better.
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Major understatement.... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif