Here's an update on my engine. The oil pump pick up was not fastened properly and fell off. This caused complete bearing failure. I now need a crank, two rods, and of course, a complete overhaul. I notified Bruce and he said he wouldn't spend a dime to get me back on the road/track. We are talking less than 2000 miles. My new machinist said it wasn't line bored ever!!! I gave Bruce Fulper $1800 labor in short block machine work!!! Do not buy or trust this man!!! I spent over $10,000 on a race engine and now I have to double check every inch of his work. Oh Yeah, the man who is handling my edelbrock heads said he does the heads for Bruce's racecars. Bruce I'm sure you have my address I'm home most evenings if you ever want to talk about it.

I had found an article about this guy before,when I was doing some random net surfing.
Sounds like bad news.
Wonder how long he will keep getting away with this?

Gobrdgo, sorry to hear of your misfortune. I had similiar experiences with Bruce. Your only recourse is to file a complaint with the Bureau of Automotive Repair, in Riverside. They are familiar with Bruce and then let them pursue the complaint, which takes about a year. When it gets to the secondary stage of mediation, you can file a lawsuit. The only agency that could possibly shut Mr. Fulper down is the BAR. If and when you get your judgement, you will be in line behind others. I believe he owns his house, you can file a lien. Good luck.

Sorry about your misfortune http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif.

I have been informed that "speed shops" are not subject to the CA's Bureau of Automotive Repair's regulations/reviews since they specialize in "modifications", instead of repairs. Call them to be sure.

Good luck on recovering your loss.

Les

Wheelspin, I speak of the B.A.R. because of personal experience. Bruce did a rebuild and defrauded me. He gave a 350 motor, and passed it off as a 400. The B.A.R. told me engine rebuilding is considered a repair. They followed through with my case and were supportive in Small Claims court. I posted my experience a couple of years ago. The only disappointment is that they continue to allow Bruce to operate a shop. They told me it is because I was only the second complaint to have crossed their desk. Probably, because of misinformation about what they do.

GOBRDGO - It is too bad that you had to find out the hard way. Good luck on recovering what you can.

There is a long and logical story to why Bruce built the engine. I will leave it at that. An older and wiser Pontiac fan I recently became lucky enough to know gave me what I think is some solid advice. Focus on the positive and work on getting her up n runnin again better than before. I can jump up and down and complain all day but that won't do any good. Hell or high water I'll be at Pontiac Drag Days in a few months! Thanks for everybody's support.

Gobrdgo
Sorry about your problems with your engine. Up to about 2 years ago I was grinding all of Bruce's cranks and my dad before me. Stop doing business with him for many reasons.
It sounds like your are on the right track with your engine. Good luck! If your need any help with your crank just call Chris or Andy at
Wlison bros. 909 949 2911
See you at Palmdale.

What kind of crank do you need ?
I have 2 high mileage from running engine 455 cranks sitting on the shelf here i am in Lancaster CA.

Formulas, I need a 455 crank preferably 020 or less. I don't want to run a compromised crank in my new combo. Plan on squeezing this one alot. I might use a new eagle, but would rather use a good old american stocker.

Both of mine are std. std. i would turn them as they have miles on them or they could be evaluated size wise and simply polished to provide a race tolerance and smooth surface.

I dont have a hankerin to sell one but your fairly close and need a break.
e-mail [email protected]

Formulas you have mail

http://pysales.com/images/boxing.gifI've read sssooooo many posts about the fulper frolickes its sickening,I own a shop here in So.Cal. and have been out to bruces shop to back-up a customer of his NOW mine,and after hearing his BS story for 20 min. all I could do to keep myself from loosing it was to walk outside and cool off! I just dont understand HOW he is still in business or alive, sorry if I sound a little bitter but it pisses me off when I think about the way he conducts his business and gets away with it!

This is exactly why this board is so important to us in the pontiac family.
Before I spend any large amounts of money, I check them out right here.
And you know what, every other pontiac guy I have met has been upstanding. I quit E Bay a while ago. I know the BF has given Ccass some grief over this forum also, but look what happens if we don't post the good and the bad.
Another reason to support Chris and this forum.

Amazing that this guy cannot be closed down. Always thought America came first when it comes to justice.

"Law is the best deterrent to justice..."

I often wondered how he could keep advertising in Smoke Signals? As POCI would I thought frown on deceptive behavior.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SDBOB:
I often wondered how he could keep advertising in Smoke Signals? As POCI would I thought frown on deceptive behavior. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, they do. Only trouble is, 99% of the POCI membership is not into racing or building performance engines that make more power than they did in OEM form. Therefore, they don't hear about all of the bad happenings from RRE customers. We're talking about an organization that just within the last 2 years decided to have a drag race at their annual convention. We're talking about an organization that let GM influence them into including GMC trucks into the membership (which has turned out to be a collossal flop, no pun intended...there just haven't been many GMC owners join the club). We're also talking about an organization that is so hung up on only giving a "Best in Show" trophy at their annual convention to a pre-war car, that when they took numerous complaints about it, rather than just award the trophy to whichever was the best car (regardless if it's pre or post war), they came up with two "best of" categories...best of pre and best of post.

Sorry for the rant, carry on.

GOBRDGO, You stated in another post, that you contacted Bruce about your problem,and that he offered to fix the damage, however he wasn't going to fix it for FREE. is that unreasonable? we are talking about a "race engine" are we not? sure, he should/would have to eat the labor costs, but parts would be another story, would like to hear from the engine builders who post here, on how they would handle this? I seem to remember a PY member who posted awhile back, about a quality problem with his Eheads that caused him some engine damage, when he called edelbrock, looking for help, he got none! when he posted here to "vent" most of the guys on here told him to repair the damage, take the financial setback, and move on. do any of the engine builders here give full parts and labor warranty for race/ or street/strip motors? not trying to start a p*ssing contest, but you were happy with it until something broke!

Brian I guess I still believe in right is right.The first SD I built,I was robbed,poor machinework ,lucky I didn't run it, I got all my stuff paid the bill(the guy was achebie builderwho used kids to help) and found someone else.Still try to trust people but I do get skeptical. Also I was showing my SD at Gettysburg POCI years ago in stock,the SD that won had a 'moon' roof.I got 4th.Sooner than later given enough 'rope' they will hang themselves.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pont406:
GOBRDGO, You stated in another post, that you contacted Bruce about your problem,and that he offered to fix the damage, however he wasn't going to fix it for FREE. is that unreasonable? we are talking about a "race engine" are we not? sure, he should/would have to eat the labor costs, but parts would be another story, would like to hear from the engine builders who post here, on how they would handle this? I seem to remember a PY member who posted awhile back, about a quality problem with his Eheads that caused him some engine damage, when he called edelbrock, looking for help, he got none! when he posted here to "vent" most of the guys on here told him to repair the damage, take the financial setback, and move on. do any of the engine builders here give full parts and labor warranty for race/ or street/strip motors? not trying to start a p*ssing contest, but you were happy with it until something broke! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

One can only guarentee workmanship on 'RACE' engines. However if a bearing/bearings go south, then I would want to see the Whole engine complete and not tampered with to determine.

Timing issues.
Detonation because of octane.
Oil starvation.
And other issues that that occurr with bearing failure.

Question?
How can a <span class="ev_code_RED">New</span> oil pump pick up with pump Fall off?
Stock pan & Pick-up or Race?

Pont406: According to the owner of the engine. He stated that RRE wouldn't Spend a Dime and I guess this is before he looked or wanted to look at the whole engine? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif
Just blown off completely?

Bruce never said he would fix the problem, He said he would take a look, He also said he wouldn't pay for anything. He also expressed zero remorse. My motor languished in his shop forever as in over 6 months after full payment. How quick would he be to work on a non paying or parts only engine? How about never! WHY did he build it? He had way too much of my money, from a long time ago to ever back out of the deal, including traded parts. After the failure and becoming alot more acquainted with his practices there is no way I want his technical help or services anymore. Can sh%#@t happen in profesional race engine building? YES, but when you screw enough people and act like a pompous ass and play stupid when the problems are brought to your attention people (me) tend to not be very understanding when you sh%$t your pants. I'm getting angry, and I still haven't even came close to explaining how many things sucked about Fulper building my engine. I am building a new better faster powerplant with some help and a whole lotta research and don't want to dwell on this anymore. I stated what happened for the betterment of the hobby. If you feel bad for Bruce I really don't care.

The problem with the engine was the oil pump pick up fell off causing the resulting failure.

Hit the wrong buttons..
Anyways there isnt anything a engine owner can do to make a pump pickup fall off short of playing dukes of hazzard, this without a doubt means that the pick up was installed wrong therefore crappy workmanship caused all the damage not over reving or miss use from the customer racing his engine.
The builder should be and is responsible for all repairs to start with so when flop says he wont fix it for free..
Do you feel its right to pay someone to build your engine again who ruined it to start with ???
How do you feel about providing new parts to a person that messed up good parts already provided to him in the first place??
Let him profit from his mistake??
And why would you entrust someone again who couldnt get something as basic as a pump right to start with?

Building engines isnt rocket science i am not in the biz, but i learned how to put a pickup on when i was 16 in school auto shop now 46 and i have never blown up an engine.

You would think a self proclaimed worlds best professional would either tack weld or safety wire the pick up in place.

I'd send an e-mail to POCI telling them you won't renew unless they drop his advertising. I realize that might not do much, however you might follow that up with a post here on PY telling everyone what you told POCI. My guess is you'd have a few supporters that would tell POCI the same.

You should also send them a link to this forum string!!

Do engine builders guarantee their work? Well at least one I know does. A friend of mine had his engine done by a Pontiac engine builder and guess what, oil pump problems developed shortly afterward. Engine was taken to him intact. He opened it up, discovered his screw-up and made the necessary repairs. No cost to the customer except for his labor (and mine) to R&R the engine. The way it should be. After all, there was considerable work involved, transport and misc expenses incurred related to this "oversight" that he didn't reimburse. What happened is that when he inspected the pump he forgot to tighten the check ball spring nut. It vibrated, loosened and fell off into the pan. Of course this didn't help oil pressure much.

According to GOBRDGO, when He contacted Bruce about his engine problems, Bruce told him, he'd "take a look at it" ( I assume this means bring it in, so I can tear it down!) however, when GOBRDGO, did this, I'm assuming he didn't know what was really wrong with it at that time! when Bruce told him it would probably cost him more money to "fix it" he also didn't know the extent or cause of any damage, having not seen the engine.GOBRDGO decided to go elsewhere, his choice, but sounds like, Bruce wasn't given the chance to "make it right" in this case. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif

Well Pont406, let me share my experience with Bruce when I brought my motor back to him so he could "take a look". Two weeks later he sends me a letter stating that the engine had been tampered with and he would charge me storage, signed by his attorney. The problem with the motor was that it drained all coolant overnight because the freeze plugs leaked. Inside each freeze plug was JB welded a tab that said "warranty voided if removed". Bruce tells me to take the motor to another person. If you know CA law, as soon as someone else looks at it, the warranty is void. Nope, Bruce knows what he is doing. I just wonder why anyone would defend him? Everybody I have met in the hobby that knows him, can't stand him. The Pontiac bretheren is a small group in So. Cal. The only people that don't know about Bruce are newbies. We should be congratulating GOBRDGO on staying in the hobby after taking it for ten grand.

POCI can not ban an advertiser just because someone told someone else that Bruce burned him. If enough people email the President, He WILL do something about it. But he needs written proof. No one has ever officially complained about him. I have heard all the stories, but I have no 1st hand proof.
A member contacted me about a long time exhaust vendor. I did some research and found he had some complaints over some time (one was me). When I found Hemmings had booted him for the same reason, it was not hard to get his ads pulled.
I will do what I can.

time to go see Judge Judy! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif would love to see this case on the tube!

Quote Brian Baker:

"Only trouble is, 99% of the POCI membership is not into racing or building performance engines that make more power than they did in OEM form."

Simply not true - virtually ever issue of Smoke Signals has at least one article on drag racing and performance engines/vehicles.

"We're talking about an organization that just within the last 2 years decided to have a drag race at their annual convention."

Again, simply not true. POCI conventions have had drag racing events held in conjuction with the convention dates and locations over the past decade. Last year, the drag racing event became an official part of the convention, rather than an event simply held in conjuction with the convention.

"We're talking about an organization that let GM influence them into including GMC trucks into the membership -"

Once again, simply not true. The issue of allowing GMC into POCI was decided by majority vote of those members voting on the issue.

"which has turned out to be a collossal flop, no pun intended...there just haven't been many GMC owners join the club"

POCI regional meets have attracted some of the most unique and well done GMC trucks in the country.

"We're also talking about an organization that is so hung up on only giving a "Best in Show" trophy at their annual convention to a pre-war car"

If those voting at a popular vote car show choose a pre-war car as best of show it is simply a reflection of those voting - nothing to do with being "hung-up" on anything. Many who are voting understand that restoration of a pre-war vehicle is a more difficult and expensive undertaking, since far less cars were manufactured back then, less parts exist, no repro parts are available, etc.

"that when they took numerous complaints about it, rather than just award the trophy to whichever was the best car (regardless if it's pre or post war), they came up with two "best of" categories...best of pre and best of post."

POCI does listen to its membership. The membership felt both eras should be recognized. BTW, what is wrong with having both a best of show pre-war and post-war?

Quote Joe F.

"I'd send an e-mail to POCI telling them you won't renew unless they drop his advertising. I realize that might not do much, however you might follow that up with a post here on PY telling everyone what you told POCI. My guess is you'd have a few supporters that would tell POCI the same."

You're right, it won't do much, in fact it won't do anything. Do you actually think POCI is stupid enough to risk a lawsuit from an advertiser based upon hearsay on an internet website? If a POCI member has serious issues with a POCI advertiser, then they should provide written documentation to POCI about the problem.

I bought a 7qt Moroso oil pan from Jegs a few years ago with pick up. A car pulled out in front of me and I locked the brakes at about 55 or 60. My oil pressure went to 30lbs. Ruined every bearing in the engine. Jegs sold me the Moroso Oil Pan I ordered BUT sold me a Milodin sump pick-up. After tear down I found the problem. Moroso 7 qt pan is 8" deep Milodin sump was for a 7 1'2" deep pan. I was suckin air at that RPM. First of all I ASSUMED, shoulda checked when installing. NOBODY offered any help nor did I receive any. Jegs said they did nothing wrong because at the time Moroso didn't make a sump for that Oil pan? Although they found one upon re-order. Milodin couldn't be responsible, wasn't their pan. Jegs said they sold me what I ordered, a sump for a 7qt pontiac pan. Plus, bigger pan means you MUST BE RACING and of course NO WARRANTY.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GTO 4MA:
Quote Brian Baker:

"Only trouble is, 99% of the POCI membership is not into racing or building performance engines that make more power than they did in OEM form."

Simply not true - virtually ever issue of Smoke Signals has at least one article on drag racing and performance engines/vehicles.

"We're talking about an organization that just within the last 2 years decided to have a drag race at their annual convention."

Again, simply not true. POCI conventions have had drag racing events held in conjuction with the convention dates and locations over the past decade. Last year, the drag racing event became an official part of the convention, rather than an event simply held in conjuction with the convention.

"We're talking about an organization that let GM influence them into including GMC trucks into the membership -"

Once again, simply not true. The issue of allowing GMC into POCI was decided by majority vote of those members voting on the issue.

"which has turned out to be a collossal flop, no pun intended...there just haven't been many GMC owners join the club"

POCI regional meets have attracted some of the most unique and well done GMC trucks in the country.

"We're also talking about an organization that is so hung up on only giving a "Best in Show" trophy at their annual convention to a pre-war car"

If those voting at a popular vote car show choose a pre-war car as best of show it is simply a reflection of those voting - nothing to do with being "hung-up" on anything. Many who are voting understand that restoration of a pre-war vehicle is a more difficult and expensive undertaking, since far less cars were manufactured back then, less parts exist, no repro parts are available, etc.

"that when they took numerous complaints about it, rather than just award the trophy to whichever was the best car (regardless if it's pre or post war), they came up with two "best of" categories...best of pre and best of post."

POCI does listen to its membership. The membership felt both eras should be recognized. BTW, what is wrong with having both a best of show pre-war and post-war?

Quote Joe F.

"I'd send an e-mail to POCI telling them you won't renew unless they drop his advertising. I realize that might not do much, however you might follow that up with a post here on PY telling everyone what you told POCI. My guess is you'd have a few supporters that would tell POCI the same."

You're right, it won't do much, in fact it won't do anything. Do you actually think POCI is stupid enough to risk a lawsuit from an advertiser based upon hearsay on an internet website? If a POCI member has serious issues with a POCI advertiser, then they should provide written documentation to POCI about the problem. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To quote Daffy Duck, "It is to laugh". http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

If you consider coverage of Pontiacs involvement in NHRA pro class racing (namely Pro Stock) to be "coverage of drag racing and performance engines/vehicles", then I guess you got me on that one. Other than the skin they're wrapped in, there isn't a single Pontiac in any form of Pro class racing that shares anything with we enjoy personally within the hobby.

You openly admit that it has only been in the last 2 years that POCI has included drag racing as part or their annual convention. Prior to that, they had nothing to do with the convention at all, they just happened to be held during the same week to coincide with the convention. You make it sound as if POCI officers were involved from the first one, but they weren't. It was the hard work of members that wanted racing with the convention that got all of the ducks in a row.

POCI never brought up the inclusion of GMC's until GM merged the sales divisions of Pontiac and GMC. Prior to this, the idea of inclusion wasn't even a fart in the wind. The reason it was left to a vote from the members was a mere formality...it HAD to be put to a referendum vote to be in accordance with the club bylaws. And it has been a FLOP, it may have brought some cool vehicles out for all to see, but has it really swelled the membership ranks? I think not, otherwise there would be more GMC coverage in Smokes'.

POCI is a great organization, but even great ones have flaws. Just calling it like I see it.

Quote Brian Baker:

"Other than the skin they're wrapped in, there isn't a single Pontiac in any form of Pro class racing that shares anything with we enjoy personally within the hobby."

Who's we? You?

"You make it sound as if POCI officers were involved from the first one, but they weren't. It was the hard work of members that wanted racing with the convention that got all of the ducks in a row."

You seem to know a lot about the drag racing event history of POCI. Just who were the members that supported and helped organize the drag races prior to 2004?

"POCI never brought up the inclusion of GMC's until GM merged the sales divisions of Pontiac and GMC. Prior to this, the idea of inclusion wasn't even a fart in the wind."

So you're saying including GMC in POCI was never discussed prior to the merger of the sales divisions. How do you know this?

"but has it really swelled the membership ranks?"

Who said it would swell the membership ranks?

"POCI is a great organization, but even great ones have flaws."

As a member of POCI, don't you think it would be more productive to put your efforts towards helping out rather than bashing POCI on an internet web site? Do you plan on attending and participating in this year's drag event at Atlanta Dragway?

2nd hand posts will be deleted.

We used to have a famous (infamous) local "pontiac expert" here in southeast Mi. Mid-America or "Warrior".Was known for 20+ years as "rip off Ray Hunt" or later, before he closed his store in Westland, and went Mail Order Only, as "Fulper East!!"-Don't know weather he still sell's his only legit claim to fame, the Legendary Nash (renamed "warrior") manifold's or not, But I can name close to a dozen people who wound up putting "corporate" engines in their cars after dealing with his shenanigans.-Bob.

test

Pont406 this is for you. Here's my list of things that sucked about my buildup post full teardown.
Block AND crank are not mine, wrong initial stamps.
Paid $650 for rods, he installed cheaper CAT rods.
Machine work he said he did he didn't. align hone not done, etc.
no bronze gear on my dist. and cam gear not reworked on roller cam. How long would that alone of lasted?
CNC ported heads, NOT according to BPE cylinder heads who flowed them with disappointing results for me.
Paid for race demon carb, got speed demon
used plug wires
Leaked oil on dyno!!! I'll post this list on more sites also Bruce. I know you read it every day.

Take a couple of minutes and file a BAR complaint. I work with these guys all the time and I assure you this is why they exist!

Bureau of Auto repair online complaint

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GTO 4MA:
Quote Brian Baker:

"Other than the skin they're wrapped in, there isn't a single Pontiac in any form of Pro class racing that shares anything with we enjoy personally within the hobby."

Who's we? You?

"You make it sound as if POCI officers were involved from the first one, but they weren't. It was the hard work of members that wanted racing with the convention that got all of the ducks in a row."

You seem to know a lot about the drag racing event history of POCI. Just who were the members that supported and helped organize the drag races prior to 2004?

"POCI never brought up the inclusion of GMC's until GM merged the sales divisions of Pontiac and GMC. Prior to this, the idea of inclusion wasn't even a fart in the wind."

So you're saying including GMC in POCI was never discussed prior to the merger of the sales divisions. How do you know this?

"but has it really swelled the membership ranks?"

Who said it would swell the membership ranks?

"POCI is a great organization, but even great ones have flaws."

As a member of POCI, don't you think it would be more productive to put your efforts towards helping out rather than bashing POCI on an internet web site? Do you plan on attending and participating in this year's drag event at Atlanta Dragway? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your question "who's we, you?" further proves your ignorance towards Pontiac involvement in Pro racing. Aside from the few diehards that race traditional Pontiac powered cars in NHRA Stock and Super Stock classes, there is nothing in any form of Pro class racing that even remotely resembles or shares anything within the hobby...the hobby that POCI is built around.

Prior to Arnie Beswick speaking at one of POCI's get-togethers two years ago, POCI officers were reluctant to include drag racing in with the convention. I don't know any members personally that got these races together prior to 2004, but I do know that those in "managerial" positions at POCI (ie - officers) certainly weren't involved. It was made clear every year that the race was not part of the convention, but held seperately "in conjunction with". I'm just glad to see that POCI has heeded Arnie's advice.

Let me rephrase about the GMC inclusion issue. It was brought up at least once before since 1990, and it was shot down. After GM brought the Pontiac and GMC sales divisions together, it was brought back up again, and for some reason this time, it was voted in. I need to look no further than my back issues of Smoke Signals for the club officers reasonings behind the inclusion, and number one on their list was to increase membership. I don't disagree with that reasoning, all I am saying is, it didn't work as well as they had hoped.

I'd like to get to another convention someday, especially now that there's racing directly involved, but it won't happen this year as my going away plans for Pontiac events are already occupied with Jim Zeek's race at VMP and the biggie at Norwalk. As for making POCI better? I've pulled my fair share of helping with POCI on a local level, as well as with other organizations, and frankly, it's a thankless job that you're never appreciated in. That's why I rarely help anymore.

I would have sent this reply to you via email, but you don't have one in your profile.

Brian:

you stated -

"further proves your ignorance towards Pontiac involvement in Pro racing"

I guess I'm not really sure what you are saying, other than you have been quick to shoot in your previous posts,as well as in this one. You purport to have an extensive knowledge of the inner workings and politics of POCI, yet failed to name any of the individuals that had anything to do with any of the past POCI drag races.

Now you state that Arnie Beswick had something to do with POCI including drag racing as part of each convention. Where did you get that information, or is this just another blind "shot from the hip". I can assure you that Arnie, although well loved and respected by all, had really nothing to do with it.

Insurance issues were probably the single biggest reason POCI was not directly involved in convention related drag events in the past. That issue seems to have been resolved.

Statements like the one you made below simply are not true.

"but I do know that those in "managerial" positions at POCI (ie - officers) certainly weren't involved."

Perhaps the best thing you could do for POCI now is not to slam POCI with misstatements on these chat room websites.

Thanks!

Publicly post your email address and I'd be more than happy to carry any such "conversations" as this off the boards. Or reply to me via email, my address is posted in my profile.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GTO 4MA:

Insurance issues were probably the single biggest reason POCI was not directly involved in convention related drag events in the past. That issue seems to have been resolved.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

FWIW:
This would not be a factor as that is covered by the track when renting the facility for any single day event or testing. All ya need is RACE money. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif
I inquired years ago and was told......... by a very reliable source I shall call Deepthroat, LOL. that 90% of the members were into the hanging out, eating and the show aspect, plus the fact of the constantly changing different locations the event is held at.
But I think they took a look at the Southern Nationals held in Texas as an example. Great car show with lots of racers. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif
Correct me if I'm wrong. http://pysales.com/images/sweat.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Now you state that Arnie Beswick had something to do with POCI including drag racing as part of each convention. Where did you get that information, or is this just another blind "shot from the hip". I can assure you that Arnie, although well loved and respected by all, had really nothing to do with it.

Insurance issues were probably the single biggest reason POCI was not directly involved in convention related drag events in the past. That issue seems to have been resolved. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


you are guilty of the same thing you are slaming someone else for!!

kal
www.xtremefabrication.com

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But I think they took a look at the Southern Nationals held in Texas as an example. Great car show with lots of racers.
Correct me if I'm wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ken, that is the way Southern Nationals is. Lots of good people, food, hanging out and dynamight racing. Another record run here this past weekend, it was a blast... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

I had a 500 motor done by the Butlers years ago.When I first got the motor running shortly after I was losing oil pressure.Jim told me to get the motor back to him and I did .A faulty oil pump.Replaced at no charge and no more problem.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RPM:
Do engine builders guarantee their work? Well at least one I know does. A friend of mine had his engine done by a Pontiac engine builder and guess what, oil pump problems developed shortly afterward. Engine was taken to him intact. He opened it up, discovered his screw-up and made the necessary repairs. No cost to the customer except for his labor (and mine) to R&R the engine. The way it should be. After all, there was considerable work involved, transport and misc expenses incurred related to this "oversight" that he didn't reimburse. What happened is that when he inspected the pump he forgot to tighten the check ball spring nut. It vibrated, loosened and fell off into the pan. Of course this didn't help oil pressure much. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

IM glad i read this post, i was going to take my stroker kit and block to him and have him blueprint, balance, bore, etc. to my engine, but i guess that would have been the worst mistake ever.

I guess i need to look for a new builder In southern Cali. Anyone near me? Im now going to be very careful with the engine builders i used to believe that if the builders have a web site then they must be good builders, boy i was wrong, do you guys recommend anyone in South Cali?,

Two in Southern California.

RSB Motorsports in Yorba Linda, CA
714-307-8373....ask for Bill
http://www.rsbmotorsports.net

Pacific Performance Racing in San Pedro, CA
310-832-4596....ask for Ken
http://www.pacificperformanceracing.com

thanks for that at RSB Motorsports it has a list of Machine work they do it has nothing about boring or balancing, do they do it?