I saw Langer run a 8.93 and Ray run a 9.07 and 9.13.

Man thats sad when a N/A guy outruns a nitrous guy.

Can we impeach Ray as the president of the 8 Second Club!

I saw Langer run a 8.93 and Ray run a 9.07 and 9.13.

Man thats sad when a N/A guy outruns a nitrous guy.

Can we impeach Ray as the president of the 8 Second Club!

I dig John's car! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

Too bad you sold your's Jack. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif

Larry, rub it in, rub it in! LOL

It's not surprising he's having some teething problems with a brand new engine, I know he just finished it. How much time could he have possibly had to dial it in? I hope I no one's looking when I make my first pass with my new engine, such pressure! I have lots of faith he will best himself in the near future.

never mind...what i found said ray's best run was a 9.01, which left him in 17th.

props to langer for outrunning both of the guys who sold out and went to the dark side. i wonder how they feel looking up at john on the qualifying sheet? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif

Brian. Felton didn' sell out. He was supposed to have an aluminum Pontiac combo & block and was forced to buy a Steve Schmidt engine so he could run <span class="ev_code_RED">for a Championship</span>. BTW, it makes over 1000hp fora lot less moola. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif
But using all his stuff from the old Pontiac combo wasn't working. His old shortblock is in Ava's car.
BTW: Very very nice people. Other's should be as nice. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

John is flying and should see 8.80's. Ran a 8.91 I think last pass Saturday evening.
Guess who. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

TCI/FAST Pro Stock
1: TODD GOODWIN OMRO WI 8.834 152.9 152.9
2: JAMIE STANTON CANASTOTA NY 8.875 153.13 153.63
3: BURCH KEMP WASHINGTON MI 8.875 150.4 150.4
4: STEVE CAGLE HUNTSVILLE AL 8.888 151.95 151.95
<span class="ev_code_RED">5: JOHN LANGER PHILADELPHIA PA 8.913 152.41 152.41</span>
6: NEAL OWENS WILMINGTON DE 8.914 154.29 156.63
7: FELTON THOMPSON WENDELL NC 9.105 148.07 148.07
8: JOHN MARCONI PALM BEACH GARDENS FL 9.357 142.92 142.92
9: RICHARD BAUMAN LAKE WALES FL 10.797 125.54 125.54
Tight class. http://pysales.com/images/sweat.gif


Vortech Xtreme Street
1: BOB CURRAN BARTLETT IL 8.181 168.76 168.76
2: CAMERON COBLE LEWISBURG TN 8.292 169.74 169.74
3: JOE PAPPALARDO CORAL SPRINGS FL 8.431 161.63 163.69
4: PHIL HINES LEBANON OH 8.477 160.05 160.05
5: CORKY MARKWART TARPON SPRINGS FL 8.5 159.74 159.74
6: GINA MUNDEN FT. LAUDERDALE FL 8.532 164.47 164.47
7: MARC ZOLINEROWICZ PLAINICIELO IL 8.59 154.08 161.81
8: TONY ORTS OSWEGO IL 8.6 141.08 141.08
9: ANDY MAYES EAGLEVILLE TN 8.613 161.81 162.810:
10: DAVE JAMES STEAMWOOD IL 8.74 156.98 156.98
11: ALDO CARAVETTE PALOS HEIGHTS IL 8.768 154.16 154.16
12: KEN SMITH HOLIDAY FL 8.798 156.84 156.84
13: MARK MAHOWSKI SEMINOLE FL 8.816 156.6 156.6
14: LAWRENCE BURKE MARGATE FL 8.913 155.73 155.73
15: TROY TEICHTHESEN MONATAGUE MI 8.969 136.05 141.86
16: FRANK LESKODY SEFFNER FL 8.98 152.54 155.25
<span class="ev_code_RED">17: RAY COX VALDARAGO IN 9.069 154.08 154.08</span>
18: KYLE KIRKER MONTAQUE MI 9.124 157.95 157.95
19: JAMES REYNOLDS LARGO FL 9.416 134.24 134.24
20: MATT SALMINEN PT. CHARLOTTE FL 9.519 148.73 148.73
21: FRED BRUNN LOXAHATCHEE FL 10.531 125.41 125.41
22: CAHRLES MANCHESTER MIAMI FL 28 0 0
23: HASKELL MACKOWSKI MIAMI FL (Took Tree No Time)


Hamburger's Oil Pans Nostalgia Super Stock
1: JOEY WINICK LAFAYETTE HILL PA 9.5 0 0
2: KURT WEIGHBOR TWINSBURG OH 9.511 0 0.011
3: JIM NETHERLAND COLUMBIA TN 10.518 0 0.018
4: DOUGLAS POSKEVICH DELAND FL 12.018 0 0.018
5: JOE EWING EVANSVILLE IN 10.52 0 0.02
6: DONNIE WILSON CAVE CITY KY 11.136 0 0.136
7: DWIGHT SWART 11.15 0 0.15
<span class="ev_code_RED">8: AVA THOMPSON WENDELL NC 10.272 0 0.272</span>
9: LARRY MARTIN BRADENTON FL 9.951 0 -0.049
N/SS ladder is determined by reaction time. Ava has a new combo Her old combo ran higher 10's and the car leaves harder then she wants. Car has 10 flats in it. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

Bad news guys. Ray called last night to let everyone know. Broken rod on first full power pass. There were no indicators. Oil pressure was still good & filter is clean. He doesnt think anything else is hurt yet. Rumors in Rays class; A certain someone there may get a teardown tech inspection of a lifetime. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

He made 2 full power passes?
Both over 154 mph. And 2 or 3 motor passes on Friday?
Didn't he just install those NEW GRP rods because he said the BME rods weren't as good and sold them? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif

Interesting. http://pysales.com/images/sweat.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif

Ray called this morning, he definately hurt the motor. But he is planning to stage the car and take the points. He said that he thinks Gina (first round opponent) is hurt as well. He will be in Columbus "giving them heck"!!!
P.S. Does anyone know the Mean Street ladder?

Neal Owens still running a Pontiac?

He made 2 hp passes on Friday(10.20/130mph). Water pump housing cracked. Saturday was first pass on N2O for only 3.68 sec. It shut down. ANOTHER problem to solve. Engine sounds ok, so he's going to stage for points. BTW, he switched to MGP rods. I wonder how hurt Gina is. Maybe he can make a pass for the next round. http://pysales.com/images/sweat.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Brian. Felton didn' sell out. He was supposed to have an aluminum Pontiac combo & block and was forced to buy a Steve Schmidt engine so he could run for a Championship. BTW, it makes over 1000hp fora lot less moola. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen to that....A lot less http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

Sorry to hear about Ray, tell Langer to stop eating so many of those Philly cheesteakes and he'll go faster.LOL

I guess Ray needs a "Dude tune up" to get into the 8's http://pysales.com/images/boxing.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

Ray needs all the help he can get as he has the worst luck of anyone I have ever seen racing.

Congrats to Langer though! And Ava and Felton.

Tom V.

Ray just called & asked me post that Langer just ran an 8.88. He's gone faster with every run & is in the hunt. The fastest guy slowed down to a 8.87. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_cool.gif

Talking to John on Saturday and what he was working on and changes he was doing. I knew 8.80's was in the mix.

Weather is great this weekend with a tail wind Saturday.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PONTIAC DUDE:
Brian. Felton didn' sell out. He was supposed to have an aluminum Pontiac combo & block and was forced to buy a Steve Schmidt engine so he could run <span class="ev_code_RED">for a Championship</span>. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

my apologies then...i assumed he went to corporate power because it was cheaper, but didn't know the other side of the story.

did langer run the .87 in the first round? i could only find that he lost in the second round, but didn't see any numbers. kemp ran an .89 to win, so i'm really curious to find out how john went out.

tom is right on about ray. love him or hate him, you gotta admit he has enough bad luck for our entire hobby sometimes. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif

Congrats to Joey Winick for his win in N/SS in his Tempest. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

I'm not sure how to comment on the whole corperate comment, I mean its not like these guys are being paid to run pontiacs, after a while I'm sure you get tired of all the work it takes or you see a clear advantage using a different combo. You do what it takes if you want to win a Championship and be something more than an also ran. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif I wonder if Felton's car still weighs close to 3500 and still looks stock inside? http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

Langer, Man you were bookin it this weekend huh? How close are you to the minimum weight? I think I saw you post on PROs board that you were a few pounds over? Thats flying man congrats.

Ray, I hope you get it figured out and quick.

I wish I could have been there. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif If not sooner, Memphis, I'm there. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

Owens runs BBC and makes more HP then BES!! ( felton ran 148 MPH unless the car is close to 4000lbs it is less than 1000 HP )

Hey john you better check the rules on blocks

What caused the water pump housing to crack?

It's a factory one he made to use with the BOP belt drive. Turned out to be in that little air pocket(housing to block)tube. Thinking watar got in there and froze over winter.

Faster. Faster?
I thought Langer was younger than Ray Cox.

I recall Ray posting last winter about what type of propane furnace to get? Did he not heat the shop area?

Too many good blocks have been cracked during those cold winter months.

We were building a 70TA, tearing apart a 79TA, & assembling the new engine in the shop while the race car w/old engine was sitting in the trailer. Yes, we did drain the water, but didnt pull the pump. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_frown.gif From what we heard, the old block will be running soon. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif BTY, Ray called & wants leave his race car at my house to pull the engine out. That would make 3 down Pontiac's at my place, & 3 torn apart Pontiacs at his place. http://pysales.com/images/sweat.gif

Kid. The converter was the same one he had with his Pontiac engine and was to tight with the BBC. His 60's were way off.
He said it dyno'd over 1000hp.
Then he had someone working on the ladderbars (too much pinion angle) and the last pass I saw Saturday had the back of the car jump sideways when it left. Don't know if it was the car or the trac or what happened Sunday. http://pysales.com/images/sweat.gif

I think I am 8 years younger then Ray, I'm 32. I am a little disappointed with my results but have to stay positive because I changed a bunch of stuff on the car (almost everything except the location of the passenger seat) over the winter and still ran well. These were my first runs of the year. With a little testing over the next few weeks, I hope to run better. The sound of a Pontiac at 8700 rpm going thru the traps is scary.

John,

Those are dang impressive numbers with an NA engine. It takes real talent to make that kind of power with an NA engine. Congrats and keep that dude buzzin.

L8r,

Aaron

hey Bruce, wanna go swiming??? just bring your trunks and dive into the GS!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John Langer:
I think I am 8 years younger then Ray, I'm 32. I am a little disappointed with my results but have to stay positive because I changed a bunch of stuff on the car (almost everything except the location of the passenger seat) over the winter and still ran well. These were my first runs of the year. With a little testing over the next few weeks, I hope to run better. The sound of a Pontiac at 8700 rpm going thru the traps is scary. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

john- what went wrong in the second round?

1.38 60'. The track was going away and everyone had their stuff on kill.

Do they ever broadcast on TV? All I ever find is top fuel. If so anyone know the date or who will be showing it?
Thanks

"If a first you don't suceed, find out if the loser gets anything" -------Bill Lyon

Hey John. At least your in the hunt.
That qualifying ladder almost looked like a NHRA Pro Stock Pro Stock class. Tight ET's. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

I'm going to try to test a few times in the next 2 weeks before the Columbus race. The top 7 qualifiers all had 60's under 1.30 with the exception of me. My best was a 1.332 and on my .88 pass was a 1.357. I'll get it figured out. Not bad for the first time out. I have alot of work to do before Columbus in 3 weeks.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The sound of a Pontiac at 8700 rpm going thru the traps is scary. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That's why they make earplugs! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif
You don't worry about it if you don't hear it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John Langer:
I'm going to try to test a few times in the next 2 weeks before the Columbus race. The top 7 qualifiers all had 60's under 1.30 with the exception of me. My best was a 1.332 and on my .88 pass was a 1.357. I'll get it figured out. Not bad for the first time out. I have alot of work to do before Columbus in 3 weeks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I will be there(Columbus) with Ray. Holler if you need a hand, although Ray says i'm not worthy to touch your car.LOL

John clearly had a desent outting, now if he can just get it all to the ground ! Oh, Pinion angles? Try SHOCK settings. New combo of tires and gear changed how the car launched. So what is wrong with trying a few shock settings to help make the launch better? The ladder bars were not even touched because there is no reason to mess with them.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bmpmdf:
John clearly had a desent outting, now if he can just get it all to the ground ! Oh, Pinion angles? Try SHOCK settings. New combo of tires and gear changed how the car launched. So what is wrong with trying a few shock settings to help make the launch better? The ladder bars were not even touched because there is no reason to mess with them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Felton 'told me' he had 6 degrees pinion angle with the Ladder bars and that they were getting it back to a closer to zero setting. And said the converter was way to tight. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif

Sorry Dude, thought you was talking about Ray's car.