These are the pictures of the All New Look.

Ribs are for rubbers and not for car parts.

These are the pictures of the All New Look.

Ribs are for rubbers and not for car parts.

Front View.

if the ribs are for rubbers not car parts, what an I supose to do with the wood I just got from those photos! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif didnt need any ribs on them for me!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ray Cox:
if the rids are for rubbers not car parts, what an I supose to do with the wood I just got from those photos! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif didnt need any ribs on them for me! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ray, Rids? Must be a new STD. Please get spell check. If you mean a woody, Just stroke it.

Can I Have some larger photos? especially the port area that hole is asum!

That's looking good Bob! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif

Did you incorporate the tube in the head to use a reverse flow system?

Also are the exhaust ports angled up from the stock location? Might be the angle of the pic?

This is the raised ex. Ports at the stock angle. We will have two differant types stock and a 90 deg. cut ex. deck.

Intake port pictures? I must have forgot them some how. May be one day I will post them.

(Did you incorporate the tube in the head to use a reverse flow system?)

We will have water in the center ex. valves area and in the middle of the head in the intake side too.


We have machined some cast heads and are in the process of cutting them up to check out the inside water jackets. We will test these the same as we did the block. And will start shipping at the end of the month.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trans Am Bob:
These are the pictures of the All New Look.

Ribs are for rubbers and not for car parts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wonder where ya heard that. LOL http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gif

Very nice!

-Rob

Are you going to stamp or cast a part # in the heads for competition classes?

The way these ALL-PONTIAC GUYS are going they will have all of my money!

Having a good set of heads with a 90 degree cut on the runners (for a Turbo header) would be sweet!

Tom V.

ps Good Job! Bob and Frank!

Bob, with the 90 degree angle, how much material will that remove? I'm assuming this 90 degree angle is taken from the deck. I'm gonna need as much room as I can get to clear the stock F body subframe. My headers will be going up and over the control arm for a turbo set up. Can you machine more off if needed? Thanks

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom Vaught:
The way these ALL-PONTIAC GUYS are going they will have all of my money!

Having a good set of heads with a 90 degree cut on the runners (for a Turbo header) would be sweet!

Tom V.

ps Good Job! Bob and Frank! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Tom just finished assembling my new block, while cleaning it I got blasted when brake kleen shot out the new oil hole in the front of the block for turbos http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif I keep forgetting it is there http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif they put lots of thought into making thes parts ready for the next level!

Originally posted by Mo:
Bob, with the 90 degree angle, how much material will that remove? I'm assuming this 90 degree angle is taken from the deck. I'm gonna need as much room as I can get to clear the stock F body subframe. My headers will be going up and over the control arm for a turbo set up. Can you machine more off if needed? Thanks
I knew Tom would beat me to the turbo remarks. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

could you cast sum that say "SHAGGY POWER" http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_wink.gifon the center exhast LOL.just kidding.they look good cant wait for the build ups that follow.

Ray,

You can thank me everytime you get sprayed.

I was the one that talked Dick D into putting that passage in to the block for superchargers, turbos, or additional front oiling.

Frank and Bob just got through talking to me MO and they say the top of the runner would move back about 7/8 of an inch.

Tom V.

Tom, that is great news. I wasn't sure how I was going to make them work with the stock subframe. Now off to the garage to take new measurements. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom Vaught:
Ray,

You can thank me everytime you get sprayed.


Tom V. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why not...he's already thanking Larry Davis for it. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_razz.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

Larry says he wears his ribs inside out, for his own pleasure. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

Bob and Frank,

Great news!!! By the end of the month you say??? Send mine UPS Red ASAP.... I'll call you tomorrow for recommendations on accessories.

Robin-

Great looking peice. How will these compare to the wenzler super cheif heads? If my head porter didnt already place the order, i will ask him to contact you if they are as good. Do they use a stock configured intake like the edelbrock victor race manifold?. thank you
Rex Caroll

Could always leave the ribs over the center exhaust port and have the slogan.............

Getting head & ribbed for your racing pleasure.

http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Brian Baker:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom Vaught:
Ray,

You can thank me everytime you get sprayed.


Tom V. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why not...he's already thanking Larry Davis for it. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g.../icon_razz.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

Larry says he wears his ribs inside out, for his own pleasure. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ray has to use thumbtacks to keep a regular rubber on his peewee! Or use a ballon. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FlyByNightRacing:
Great looking peice. How will these compare to the wenzler super cheif heads? If my head porter didnt already place the order, i will ask him to contact you if they are as good. Do they use a stock configured intake like the edelbrock victor race manifold?. thank you
Rex Caroll </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The AllPontiac Tiger Heads don't even start to compare to a Super Cheif head. Yes they can use a Edelbrock Victor intake. See our site for more details.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trans Am Bob:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FlyByNightRacing:
Great looking peice. How will these compare to the wenzler super cheif heads? If my head porter didnt already place the order, i will ask him to contact you if they are as good. Do they use a stock configured intake like the edelbrock victor race manifold?. thank you
Rex Caroll </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The AllPontiac Tiger Heads don't even start to compare to a Super Cheif head. Yes they can use a Edelbrock Victor intake. See our site for more details. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>what do you mean they dont start to compare? everything I see they are just as good http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif and probably better better.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ray Cox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Trans Am Bob:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FlyByNightRacing:
Great looking peice. How will these compare to the wenzler super cheif heads? If my head porter didnt already place the order, i will ask him to contact you if they are as good. Do they use a stock configured intake like the edelbrock victor race manifold?. thank you
Rex Caroll </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The AllPontiac Tiger Heads don't even start to compare to a Super Cheif head. Yes they can use a Edelbrock Victor intake. See our site for more details. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>what do you mean they dont start to compare? everything I see they are just as good http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_confused.gif and probably better better. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ray, I think he means the good kind of don't compare. You compare things that are similar and contrast things that are different. I think he is trying to say they are so different you would have to contrast them. Or "they don't start to compare".

Bob, P-dude brought up a good point about combustion chamber size. A 505 with a 80cc head would need a 20cc dish to get a "streetable" 10.5 to 1. That should be OK for a 505 but for bigger motors there may not be enough piston to remove. And forget about boosted motors. Any chance down the road there could be a bigger chamber? We wouldn't need the greastest flow numbers since we can just "turn up the boost". I think a 400cfm head is good for about 1600hp. That will do. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif Thanks

Mo, I talked to Bob at length about this. He is supposed to cut one up to see how much meat is around the chamber to CNC to a bigger chamber. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

Would be nice, huh.

Forgive Ray, everything lately he seems to take as negativity. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

Yes they have a better deal. AllPontiac can cast the exhaust port in a stock location for Stock Chassis cars.
Wenzlers are 240 out of the box. Tiger head 400 plus out of the box. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

All Pontiac better get a movin on getting these heads out to the public or they will not allowed into the PHR Engine Master challenge. They have to be available to the public before March 31 or they will not be allowed. That wouldnt be good, Im sure that Jon Kaase wont build a Pontiac for it without those heads.

Kenny, that 400cfm out of the box is on what size bore?

Why have a big chamber? The other guys (chev, ford, mopar) have SMALLER chambers than the Tiger heads for their racing big blocks. Get real. If the Pontiac is going to compete, then it needs the smallest possible chamber for more compression without a power robbing heavy dome. These are not pump gas only heads. Geez. I have to ask, why not have an even SMALLER chamber? But I do know the answer since some are already crying.

bmpmdf....try building a large cubic inch motor and putting boost to it with 45cc heads. Try getting a piston that can be dished deep enough to use and not weigh a ton and detonate to death. It gets to the point where you can only keep the piston down in the hole and use a dished piston, a thick head gasket and head chambers that are opened up. We are not talking about Pro Stock motors here, we are talking about boosted motors. You buy what you need to run 6's. I'll hold my breath. I'll keep looking for what I want.

JEEEEEZZZ!!! Nobody is suggesting that the tiny chamber head (ONLY good for racing) be put out of production. Only asking if maybe the same head could also be offered with a combustion chamber sized for boost and street use. Not all of us want to race pro-stock.

if you make enough power on just the motor you don't need boost!! turbo's are for diesel trucks, superchargers are for old busses, and nitrous is for dental visits!!!! give us a small chamber head!!! 65 cc max!!!

kal
www.xtremefabrication.com

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John Langer:
Kenny, that 400cfm out of the box is on what size bore? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

John was told 4.250 min.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kal schultz:
if you make enough power on just the motor you don't need boost!! turbo's are for diesel trucks, superchargers are for old busses, and nitrous is for dental visits!!!! give us a small chamber head!!! 65 cc max!!!

kal
www.xtremefabrication.com </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must really dislike watching:

Top Fuel dragsters and funny cars
Top Alcohol dragsters and funny cars
Pro Mods
Nostalgia dragsters and funny cars
Quick 10.5" class cars

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Hey!-Can we PLEASE have a few pic's of the intake ports?!--The rocker and ex.port shot's are just foreplay!-Bob.

And AMEN and ditto to what Brian said!-SHEESE!!The ONLY thing better than injected is blown AND injected!!-Bob.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bob Vedhorn:
And AMEN and ditto to what Brian said!-SHEESE!!The ONLY thing better than injected is blown AND injected!!-Bob. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right on, Bob!

You know, as much crap as someone takes for stepping out on a limb it is a wonder anyone even tries to build a new product. They could have done it like Edelbrock! Just build it without asking anyone in the "know" how to do it i.e. Put the 421 obsolete water holes in them, ancient style chambers, etc.. Ole Vic didn't get his balls busted just for doing something positive because they just did it and we were so eager for something that worked.

The best products in the world come from people who mix their busines with pleasure!! That is, do something for the love of the game and make a few bucks doing it. My guess is they have invested far more than ever expected in time and money and right now, they are worn out and wondering if it is all worth it. If it all works out they will be revered as masterminds. If it fails, they will be the 2 dummies who tried to make a Pontiac part... give them a break. That is business and life wrapped up in a nutshell. The rest need to understand no product will be designed exactly for you. It takes your personal ingenuity to package it and make it work. That is why some are faster than others...

Not necessarily meant to offend anyone, just saying my peace!

Frank and Bob, good luck and please don't give up!

Robin-

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mighty T/A:
You know, as much crap as someone takes for stepping out on a limb it is a wonder anyone even tries to build a new product. They could have done it like Edelbrock! Just build it without asking anyone in the "know" how to do it i.e. Put the 421 obsolete water holes in them, ancient style chambers, etc.. Ole Vic didn't get his balls busted just for doing something positive because they just did it and we were so eager for something that worked.

The best products in the world come from people who mix their busines with pleasure!! That is, do something for the love of the game and make a few bucks doing it. My guess is they have invested far more than ever expected in time and money and right now, they are worn out and wondering if it is all worth it. If it all works out they will be revered as masterminds. If it fails, they will be the 2 dummies who tried to make a Pontiac part... give them a break. That is business and life wrapped up in a nutshell. The rest need to understand no product will be designed exactly for you. It takes your personal ingenuity to package it and make it work. That is why some are faster than others...

Not necessarily meant to offend anyone, just saying my peace!

Frank and Bob, good luck and please don't give up!

Robin- </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Well said Robin

Hey Kal....Take your pick!!! There are plenty of small cc aftermarket heads. If you don't like 72cc's just mil them a little. Get 65 cc heads. Get 45cc heads. Nobody is knocking anyone for building the heads they are building. Some of you need to learn how to read!!! All a few of us are saying is keep the turbo/blower guys in mind for the next version. I'm not throwing rocks at anyone. I used to race a 13.9:1 motor for years. I have now switched to a 671 blower for streetability and will be able to run decent numbers with my present setup on pump gas. I don't want to build one motor for street driving and one for racing. That is why I went with a blower. Some of you guys need to get laid or get on Prozac!!! Just calm down...take a deep breath... it will be all right. Thanks to AllPontiac, KRE, Butler, Edelbrock, Wenzler, and other who are making Pontiacs worthy of attention. Without pi**ing off anyone, I just want someone to think about larger cc heads for turbo/blower guys. You would think I was calling your mom names!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pontiac462:
Hey Kal....Take your pick!!! There are plenty of small cc aftermarket heads. If you don't like 72cc's just mil them a little. Get 65 cc heads. Get 45cc heads. Nobody is knocking anyone for building the heads they are building. Some of you need to learn how to read!!! All a few of us are saying is keep the turbo/blower guys in mind for the next version. I'm not throwing rocks at anyone. I used to race a 13.9:1 motor for years. I have now switched to a 671 blower for streetability and will be able to run decent numbers with my present setup on pump gas. I don't want to build one motor for street driving and one for racing. That is why I went with a blower. Some of you guys need to get laid or get on Prozac!!! Just calm down...take a deep breath... it will be all right. Thanks to AllPontiac, KRE, Butler, Edelbrock, Wenzler, and other who are making Pontiacs worthy of attention. Without pi**ing off anyone, I just want someone to think about larger cc heads for turbo/blower guys. You would think I was calling your mom names!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well said!

well said, i would love to run a f-3 or f-4 procharger on my 63 tempest till a head is out i will run a high port.


mike m.

Hey Guys,
When I designed this head I built alot of diversity into it. Rest assured the Tiger head is very versatile and 85 cc chambers will not be a problem.Bob and Frank have alot on there plate right now and are working out the bugs for the majority. Once they get through this step you will start to see the advantages the Tiger head has to offer. And I can tell you there is nothing that can even come close to the Tiger.
Like I said before,we have not even scratched the surface with this head.

Don Johnston
DCI MOTORSPORTS LLC
330-628-3354

In time we will expose the intake ports. If you had a winning race combo, would you post the pictures on the net to show everyone how it was done? Would a NASCAR team show the competition the port if they made more power?

Bruce Michel came to our dyno session with his intake and I was not even allowed in the room to help to put it on my motor. I could not even look down the carburetor after it was installed. I was not even allowed to hold it in the bag. It was like looking at a stock intake from the outside. This intake is what puts him out front at every race he attends. He looked at the port and said holly sh!t I wish I had that in mine. Brian looked at it too. And he liked the way it was done. He has pictures and he better not post them. Don would not even show the right port on the heads that he was showing during his time he was trying to get the head done. It’s not the size of the port, but the motion of the air that’s moving in the port. Bruce’s intake performance did not improve the dyno 1 horse power. What does that tell you? Nor did it take away any. He was so impressed that he left there puzzled to the point he was calling us all the way home. He will post on this head soon. He is a quite person and does not like the lime light. It takes a lot to impress him.

We are now testing the whole valve train from the cam up. We are look as to why we did not make more power then we did. The valve springs were doing a hula dance and we think it was the ramp speed of the cam that may have been wrong. We are not wasting time on NOT having a crankshaft. But we are spending money testing the valve train. A spin test of the valve train is what the big boys do. We should getting high speed films to post of the lifter, push rods and valve springs and valves at the seat at high RPM. I do not know if anyone of you has seen a bullet or rocket part at full flight speed, moving in slow motion. I have and can show anyone that comes by some declassified films of a missiles in flight.

As a consumer I would not expect you to fully understand what it cost to bring a product to market. The development cost can kill any product in enough time. Just to copy any product is not cheap to do. In time we will have a head that will fill most racers needs. Just be glad that now you have a choice. This head will break a stock motor in half and it broke an aftermarket crank in 21 pulls. Does that tell you something?

Just let us get it to market and from there we will customize it to the different racers needs. We are working with the best team out there in head design. The vendors that we are using are not cheep but very quick to solve any problems that we may incur. Yes we are teasing you a little to get a market reaction. The car companies do it all of the time. We are not like some people out there trying to pre sell a product and then build it. You can bet that we will not get a pie in the face on this one.

I will be racing our dog in Holly Springs Mississippi on March 19 and 20 if anyone wants to meet. He gets 25 races per dog bowl of food. And has no tire wear. But likes to piss all over the place. We will be the one with the AllPontiac sticker on the side of the dog.

Great, now Ray will want pic's of the the exh. port on the dog.

Ray's dog. They always look like there owner.

Thanks Bob. LMAO! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

atleast the front wheels are up http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mo:
Thanks Bob. LMAO! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Mo do you still have the 990 crank? I have a motor here for it now I think.