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75ta4spd 11-08-2007 08:27 AM

Let's see your 64-65 LeMans/Tempest
 
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I love GTOs as much as the next guy, but let's see who else here has a LeMans to show off. I'll start, this is mine about a month ago when I went to Cape Cod and got it. I'm changing the wheels/tires and that's about it.

Lemans64 11-08-2007 11:01 AM

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Here's mine, 1st time on the road in 23 years.

ellispj 11-08-2007 11:26 AM

1964 Tempest
 
Here is a photo of my 'project'. It is currently in my garage awaiting dissassembly :)

Phil

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...P1010106-1.jpg

ellispj 11-08-2007 11:27 AM

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Here's mine, 1st time on the road in 23 years.

Where did you get your front fenders?

Phil

Hooter 11-08-2007 05:54 PM

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Does a clone count????

masshole 11-08-2007 09:00 PM

75ta4spd, where on the Cape was that Lemans? I can't say I have ever seen it, I spend some time down there sometimes.

Looks beautiful though, and from your sig, nicely optioned. Congrats!:cool:

Lemans64 11-08-2007 09:17 PM

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Where did you get your front fenders?

Phil

They are not new, they have been stripped and primed with epoxy primer. Could wait any longet ot drive it. I haven't see new fenders for sale anywhere.

75ta4spd 11-08-2007 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by masshole
75ta4spd, where on the Cape was that Lemans? I can't say I have ever seen it, I spend some time down there sometimes.

Looks beautiful though, and from your sig, nicely optioned. Congrats!:cool:

It was in South Yarmouth. The car was originally from South Carolina. Thanks for the compliments, the car is in really nice shape. I drove it home 8 hours without a hitch.

Nice cars guys, keep 'em coming!

65lemans 11-08-2007 10:37 PM

Here's Mine...
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tempest455 11-08-2007 10:39 PM

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36,000 original miles. Just a little modified! ;)

75ta4spd 11-08-2007 10:42 PM

Very Nice!! I wish we weren't coming into winter. I would really like to have a little more fun with mine this year, but it's all put up.

b-man 11-08-2007 10:51 PM

My '64 Tempest
 
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...DSC00839-1.jpg

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Old Man Taylor 11-09-2007 03:20 AM

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Here's my '64 Tempest, also a bit modified.

Steve Barcak 11-09-2007 12:34 PM

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here is mine to share with.
It is a '65 Tempest sedan originally 6cyl/auto from Detroit with some rust here and there. This made it a perfect candidate to chop it up and make it something special. I am turning it into something close to what I would have built in 1965 should I have been around at that time.
This will be a for real blown, injected Tempest altered wheelbase funny car. It will not be bracket raced, it will be an exhibition car for wheel stands, burnouts and lots of noise for crowd appeal and possibly some match racing.
Rear wheel base moved forward 10", front frame stretched 7", radiator mounted under the trunk ( where stock gas tank would be ) for occasional street use.
Engine is my own custom tall deck 389 bored and stroked to 577", 14-71 blown, E heads, Lenco trans with Crower clutch, Lakewood can, polished era correct slot mags, glass fenders. Still undecided on the rear end, either 9 1/4" Pontiac or 9".
There is already a million hours into this fun project and I plan to debut the car this spring at Pontiac Heaven X (running or not). It should be together and running ready for testing in 2008.
These are the first pics I have taken of the car mocked up and shared.

Steve Barcak www.pontiacheaven.org
"Real Pontiacs only....no corporate nonsense!"

65Lemans (916) 11-09-2007 03:43 PM

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Here is my 65,

Uncle Sam bought it for me this year for my birthday in April. Already restored the rear trim, taillights and bezels. Did some interior resto. Next is to tackle that passenger fender so the headlight bezel fits. Drill some holes for the Lemans lettering rear quarter and off to paint for a coat of Nightwatch.

Dimitri

WDCreech 11-09-2007 11:47 PM

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I've seen pictures of a Tempest with GTO badging, a GTO clone, Jim Taylor's Tempest that would put most GTOs to shame, and Steve Barcek's blown '65. How about some pics of my real '64 GTO without any of the badges?

Hooter 11-10-2007 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WDCreech
I've seen pictures of a Tempest with GTO badging, a GTO clone, Jim Taylor's Tempest that would put most GTOs to shame, and Steve Barcek's blown '65. How about some pics of my real '64 GTO without any of the badges?

That is one bada$$ poncho. Heck, I'm shooting for a low 10 second street car and you're deep in the 8's. Would love to see you bring it to Norwalk some year.

b-man 11-10-2007 12:45 AM

1964 Lemans.....
 
.....with GTO hood and badges.:eek:

Done waaay back in the '70s by a previous owner, when 'cloning' was only done in a laboratory.;)

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...lWheels079.jpg

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The '6.5 Litre' fender badges were always missing, so a couple of weeks ago I decided to finish the job.:cool:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...rearend060.jpg

Old Man Taylor 11-10-2007 01:12 AM

WDCreech - "We don't need no stinking badges!"

Lemans64 11-10-2007 01:52 AM

My 64 has Lemans badges right now but will be badgeless upon paint job. ..

Hey old Man taylor, how did u make out in the fires?? Also very interested in your new truck, how's it pulling your car??

Old Man Taylor 11-10-2007 03:07 AM

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Lemans64 - The fires were quite a scare, and the extent of the damage is unbelievable. I was packed and ready to evacuate from Monday through Wednesday, but the winds got more cooperative (for me) and the fire fighters did an awesome job. My house is fine except for some minor wind damage, and the house of my daughter's family is also OK.

The truck - I love it! It tows great and gets much better mileage than the dually did. I haven't even used the load leveling hitch yet. I only have about 4000 miles on it as I don't use it for "normal" transportation. It was what I had packed in the event that I had to evacuate. The rest of the "stuff" was in the cab.

75ta4spd 11-10-2007 09:59 AM

WOW!! What a great selection of cars! From mild mannered street cars to all out strip terrors. I don't have anything against clones (was thinking about it myself,but the car is just too nice) but it is nice to see some LeMans/Tempests that haven't been "turned".

bigponts62 11-10-2007 09:11 PM

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Here are a couple of 64's The Hardtop is a 326 H.O. 4 speed car lot's of fun

and the convert is a low mile 6cyl car, It runs and drives so well I just can't seem to bring myself to converting to V-8

Ken

75ta4spd 11-12-2007 08:05 AM

Very nice cars! I don't blame you a bit for not wanting to take that 'vert apart. It's hard to do when they're turn key.

scotzz 11-12-2007 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bigponts62
Here are a couple of 64's The Hardtop is a 326 H.O. 4 speed car lot's of fun

and the convert is a low mile 6cyl car, It runs and drives so well I just can't seem to bring myself to converting to V-8

Ken

bigponts62..............both really nice cars..............I am am partial to the 'vert since it has a 6 cyl like my '64 sedan with 50k miles..............and I know what you mean about running good........where is a good source for parts for these 6 cyl engines?.........I need an exhaust pipe but haven't found a source so I'll probably just have one custom made. Also looking for other minor stuff........

masshole 11-12-2007 07:43 PM

bigponts, I really dig the license plate on the '64 HT, 'NOT A GTO'. Awesome cars.:thumbup:

scotzz 11-12-2007 09:52 PM

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My '64 Tempest with 6 cyl, auto, manual steering and brakes, 50k miles..........

b-man 11-12-2007 09:55 PM

It's a Chevy six
 
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bigponts62..............both really nice cars..............I am am partial to the 'vert since it has a 6 cyl like my '64 sedan with 50k miles..............and I know what you mean about running good........where is a good source for parts for these 6 cyl engines?.........I need an exhaust pipe but haven't found a source so I'll probably just have one custom made. Also looking for other minor stuff........

The '64 -'65 Pontiac Tempest 215 six-banger is really a Chevy engine through and through. It has 'PONTIAC' cast into the side of the block, but other than that it's the same as a Chevy 230 six (same family as the low-deck 194/230/250 Chevy, the truck 292 has a taller block) except for the bore size.

The Pontiac 215 has a 3.750" bore, the 230 has a 3.875" bore, both have a 3.25" stroke crankshaft. Carb, air cleaner, cam, distributor, fuel pump, oil filter, etc. are all the same as a Chevy.

You can bet that if a '64 -'65 Chevelle six-cylinder exhaust system is available, it will fit.

It's really easy to find parts for. :thumbup:

markpj23 11-13-2007 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scotzz
....where is a good source for parts for these 6 cyl engines?....

Rebuild kits I found here: http://kanter.com/p22-pon.html

Some neat 6-cylinder engine stuff at Larrowe & Sons... manifolds, 4bbl conversions, shiny goods, etc: http://www.merchantamerica.com/chevy...ex.php?ba=home

Most of the Offenhauser manifolds for the 230 will fit just fine. I see headers every now & then on ePay.

Also, I have a new Comp cam and lifters - mild improvement over stock. Was built for my 2-Speed auto setup. I've changed my mind and will go the 389 route. Brand new sealed package. PM if interested.

:beerchug:

tempest455 11-13-2007 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by scotzz
My '64 Tempest with 6 cyl, auto, manual steering and brakes, 50k miles..........

Your Tempest looks just like mine when I bought it years ago minus 2 doors and 600 or so HP! ;)

I like that. Interested in selling???

scotzz 11-14-2007 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by b-man
The '64 -'65 Pontiac Tempest 215 six-banger is really a Chevy engine through and through. It has 'PONTIAC' cast into the side of the block, but other than that it's the same as a Chevy 230 six (same family as the low-deck 194/230/250 Chevy, the truck 292 has a taller block) except for the bore size.

The Pontiac 215 has a 3.750" bore, the 230 has a 3.875" bore, both have a 3.25" stroke crankshaft. Carb, air cleaner, cam, distributor, fuel pump, oil filter, etc. are all the same as a Chevy.

You can bet that if a '64 -'65 Chevelle six-cylinder exhaust system is available, it will fit.

It's really easy to find parts for. :thumbup:

I suspected that it was Chevy based since visually it looks similar but I was suspicious after seeing Pontiac cast into the block plus the difference in displacement. That's a good tip on the exhaust and am going to research it again even though I couldn't find anything that cross-referenced the other GM intermediates. I've bid on two Hollanders on ebay so far but haven't been successful yet...........

scotzz 11-14-2007 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by markpj23
Rebuild kits I found here: http://kanter.com/p22-pon.html

Some neat 6-cylinder engine stuff at Larrowe & Sons... manifolds, 4bbl conversions, shiny goods, etc: http://www.merchantamerica.com/chevy...ex.php?ba=home

Most of the Offenhauser manifolds for the 230 will fit just fine. I see headers every now & then on ePay.

Also, I have a new Comp cam and lifters - mild improvement over stock. Was built for my 2-Speed auto setup. I've changed my mind and will go the 389 route. Brand new sealed package. PM if interested.

:beerchug:

I looked at Kanter website and they do list many o the major components along with gaskets...........good thing is their facility is on my way to work:) .....that other website has some cool stuff for the inline six's.............who made the cam?

scotzz 11-14-2007 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tempest455
Your Tempest looks just like mine when I bought it years ago minus 2 doors and 600 or so HP! ;)

I like that. Interested in selling???

The rsized pictres give the bady a wavy appearance but it is really very, very straight and solid........even the trim and bumpers.............but not intetrested is selling yet.........I've only had it for about 2 months.........:D

b-man 11-14-2007 10:12 PM

Other than the pricey 'odd-ball' 3.750" bore 215-only pistons, I would say buy from another source other than Kanters. You'll be paying a premuim for otherwise run-of-the-mill Chevy six parts.

scotzz 11-15-2007 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tempest455
Your Tempest looks just like mine when I bought it years ago minus 2 doors and 600 or so HP! ;)

I like that. Interested in selling???

but it would be a good addition to your 2-door ;) ...............is yours Saddle Brown?

tempest455 11-15-2007 08:56 AM

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"Saddle Bronze" with a same interrior.

75ta4spd 11-16-2007 07:31 PM

tempest455, that car is just gorgeous.

scotzz 11-16-2007 09:34 PM

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"Saddle Bronze" with a same interrior.

my 4-door has the same color interior.........defnitely would make a good grocery getter for you............:D

tempest455 11-16-2007 10:32 PM

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my 4-door has the same color interior.........defnitely would make a good grocery getter for you............:D

Yes it would! I can still get groceries in my car. ;)

giles 11-17-2007 01:47 AM

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My 64 Tempest is a near twin to bigponts62's lemans, right down to the color and the 215 six. The car was my wife's grandmother's car bought for her by her husband in 1964! We towed it home a couple years ago and it has been sitting while I have been working on a 71 F-car. Well it is time to start working on this thing and hope to have it looking less humble in a couple years. No plans to change it to a V8 as I have fast cars, rather the intention is to make this into a nice cruiser. This is my first post in A-body area but I'll be back as I have questions and as work progresses.....

markpj23 11-17-2007 10:41 AM

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This thread led me to discover that I did not have ANY pictures of my LeMans saved anywhere! Would've been fun trying to describe the car to an insurance agent or police officer eh? :D

Anyway, here it is. Was originally white over aqua over aqua and I'm taking her back to that as I love the combination. Previous owner had it for 22 years and said she got tired of trying to keep a white top clean. She also had the trunk and rear floor pans professionally replaced and a cheap re-spray. No big rust issues anywhere, but a few paint bubbles starting to show up.

215 6-banger runs OK but the chassis dyno shows a whopping 59HP at the rear wheels.... whooooiiieeee !! :D Can't wait to get that 389 / TH350 combo rebuilt and installed!

I bought this car before I did a lot of research - and lucked out as it came from the factory with the 4-spoke wood wheel - which is in primo shape today.

Redfed 11-17-2007 11:05 AM

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I bought my Tempest Custom a little over two years ago. It started life Singapore Gold and through the years was changed to metallic green. The only original portions of the car are sheet metal. I’m envious of you guys with factory paint and interiors. Mine will be similar in appearance to tempest455’s car when it is finished - at least that's the plan for now. Hopefully I will be able to finish the car before the kids send me off to the retirement home. I’ve started a website – www.64tempest.com - to chronicle the car’s progress, or lack thereof. If you get a chance, take a look at it.

Lou

Lemans64 11-17-2007 01:16 PM

Nice job on the website, keep up the good work and keep us posted.

:beerchug:

75ta4spd 11-17-2007 06:25 PM

I agree, nice site. Looks like it will be a nice car!!

John_TTD 11-20-2007 06:09 PM

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here is mine:

full road race suspension, big brakes.... 215 cubic inches of fury LOL

The six that is replacing this one is pretty sick.

~J

75ta4spd 11-20-2007 08:14 PM

Good looking car!!

giles 11-21-2007 11:28 PM

John TTD, are you building a "big six" for the Tempest? I have a '64 w/ 215 also (see post on this thread). Big resto project that is about to start...Anyway I am interested in building a healthy stovebolt for this thing. I know, we are all Pontiac lovers here, but I have another big Poncho and I would like to keep the Tempest stock (more, or less...I think a 6 with 230-250 HP would do the trick).

John_TTD 11-22-2007 02:42 AM

That was considered at first Giles, that's actually a fairly reasonable number to get from these engines with careful mods. In my shop we do a lot of custom injection and turbo work and I use this car to run myself and 3 kids 250 miles each way to our cabin quite often. I was going to inject and boost my 215, I bought up some forged low comp pistons, some rods etc but thought to myself "if I scatter this thing I'm screwed" I'd previously tried to find a few 215 engines so I'd have a pool to pick my parts from but had little luck getting what I was looking for.

I shifted gears and now it's getting a Chevy 4.3 liter v-6. These motors are found running in dumpsters around here. I'm doing a basic piston rod combo with a stock but prepped crank. I'm running marine exhaust manifolds that put a Mitsubishi turbo next to each valve cover, a custom fabbed intake that looks rather like an under hood tunnel ram with a dual throat ford throttle body sticking off the front. Each turbo feeds its own intercooler and each of those feed one side of the throttle body into a common plenum. I've also got a 700R4 trans. In the name of stealth it's going to be kept as quiet as possible, hell I'm even keeping the column shifter LOL. Of course I'm painting the engine Kimberly blue. It's sure to piss of some of the purists but I've had more then my share of big Pontiac v-8s. No way in hell I was going to put in a sbc or anything. I'm hoping that being radically different will score me some sympathy points LOL.

The chassis and brakes are unfreaking believable, I need some big power to match, software puts my combo at mid 500s without running tons of boost and I'll have overdrive and good mileage when my foot is out of it. This whole combo is costing me about half what my last 455 build did, will make similar power and is going to get triple the mileage. This is my 3rd 64 Tempest and with the 4 doors this one gets no attention from Johnny law at all, the only give away are the brakes and only some people notice those at first.

You don't even want to know how goofy option number 3 is

~John

Colin Frolick 11-22-2007 04:26 AM

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i've had my Tempest for 9 1/2 years. when i went to look at it as a prospective buyer i figured a tempest looked like a lemans or gto, i had no idea the grille looked like it does. i have a pristine replacement grille to use when i get it back together. this one is a 'non-custom', the vin starts '233', which i guess is the cheapest of them all, although it had a v-8. a young kid at a SF bay area gto gathering years ago liked the 'adidas stripes' on the nose :)

27jalopy 11-22-2007 10:40 PM

Love the Tempests and Lemans!!
 
Here's my two Lemans. Dad raised me on these cars and I learned to love and appreciate them. I've owned two GTO's in the past 7 years, and the Lemans is just more of the same coolness! Check out my dog dishes on the 'vert! I get people thinking I must be an old man with the look of the car!!http://bp3.blogger.com/_aQZoB2g8WKI/...h/DSC02900.JPG
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