Brought home another Goat
 

My son and I went to Michigan yesterday and brought home this 65 hard top have to run PHS yet but it has the 5N Pontiac code original 4 speed . Last on the road in 1982 .Body is very solid and straight . well worth the 900 + mile trip.
This should be a fun car to do as we do it I'll try to add pictures no frame off just a face lift on the frame

looks to be a solid car to start with but man those are some awfully small tie-down straps to use on a 900 mile haul
keep us posted w/pics

Nice find must not have seen too many Michigan winters. Always have fun on road trips to pick one up.

Nice find and the car looks good. I hope to do the same with my son when he gets older.

Maybe the PHS will come back as a 3x2 car. There is nothing better than opening that packet and seeing "WS" in the engine code. [I'm now grinning ear to ear as I remember that flashback]

Have fun and take a ton of pictures.

Looks like a complete car. What does it need??

And by the way John......the pic of your car in your sig makes me want a 69....Thats a great picture!!

Not one . the 16 years it was there it just sat in a garage.
gto john when my wife ran phs for me on my 64 vert and it came back 3x2 I know just what you are talking about .
Old Blue it'sprettty complete .but most everthing it needs I have except the correct 65 shifter . The current motor is a 428 . but I have a 65 389 and a 65 tri power set up .still toying on how to proceed .extra parts came with the car too extra front bumper tail light bezels and grils . the important thing is the ralley gage cluster is in place .

Good score, Don!

Don,
You are a 'Goat Magnet' Looks like a great project.

where in mi did it come from

Adrian

nice find don.looks like a good soild car

Hey John . she is pretty solid

Get us some more pics! Looks like a killer find!

A couple pics of pans

They look pretty darned good. You are a lucky one 3 Duece. :D

thats a clean one don,u 1 lucky guy.good luck with it

I bet on a WS tripower car. Alot of blown up tripower cars will receive a 428, 400 in its place. Lets see the PHS!

looks like a nice car

You win the brass ring Jon PHS confirms a Tri Power 4 speed

Excellent! Congrats. Nice find that looks to be in good condition

Got another one for your collection Don. Way to go.

I need to ask, where you the guy that stopped and talked to me at the car show in Sidney last month? I am sure that I saw your car there. If so, sorry that I didn't put a name to the face.

you were across the isle by another car with your son . I can't rmember what the car was though .

But honest, Ma, the goat followed me home! (on a trailer). Can't we keep it?

Tripower, 4 speed, safe t track, and rally gauges, excellent find. Thanks for the brass ring.

well I've had a little progress on the 65 I've been cleaning up the underside gas tanks out and the bottom trunk pan is cleaned up as well as the floor pans in front of the rear.
Have the front suspention out as well replacing a arm bushings sway bar links and so on leaving original balls and tierods as they are fine . once the front end is back together we'll be dropping the rear out and cleaning up the area abve that and the control arms and go through the rear it self.Even thought this is an original trip car I'm just doing it for a driver play car no trailer queens in our garages .
This car is a pleasure to work on being from the north east it's been a l o n g time since I've worked on a car with a body as nice as this .Basicly I've just had to take the S.C. red mud off the pans and some surface rust on the orginal gas and brake lines .
Take notice of the original factory run on the one floor brace . I know that would drive some of you guys nuts but that's what was under neath the road dirt and tar original factory black paint with runs in it and they are staying ; < ) from time to time I'll post more but as you guys know it's slow going .

Looks good..............what did you use to refinish the spindles and brake backing plates?

Lookin' good Don.........
 

keep up the good work.........Makes me want to go out and work on the '64'........JB.
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Hey JB ,Thanks ,
I told you this one was for me . all I can say is I'm glad you kept this 65 tucked away in your garage the past 16 years or I wouldn't have had as nice a car as this to work on .This will be one of the GTOs we'll be keeping . I have been hinting to mama that we need to add some more garage space . I think if that is going to happen I'm going to have to make some promises .I already promesd her no more " new " projects but she just laughed .

3 Deuce -

Joinin' the party a little late, but: Congratulations!

You mentioned the car came with the rally cluster; can you tell me what month/week it was built?

Thanks,

K

the invoice date 3-09-65 . I guess there was an early and late tach one has a solid green line and one goes from green to orange . mine has the solid green line early style I was told .

Thanks for the info -

K

Ok you NC guys n gals This car has a sticker on the trunk Barrett Motors Waynesville N.C.
anyone know anything about that maybe you know the car . any information would be great . finished up the front suspention . it's all back together new U joints and detailed the drive shaft today cleaning up the gas tank .Pulling the rear out next check it all out replace what needs to be if anything but new seals detail it out backer plates and wheel cylinders and brakes .

Well I have actually been puttering on the 65 again and Mama for the first time ever in 35 years bought me some parts for one of my GTOs . She bought me a set of weather seals which included the roof window seals the door seals quarter window seals and the seals for the front part of the quarter door post pocket trunk seal and cowl seal that about does the whole car.I bought a set of outside door handles the stainless is about polished front fenders dr door and hood are in primer the rest of the car is bare metal underside is done new bushings in the a arms brakes wheel cylinders shocks . I have a new stock original style exhaust system gas tank has been done as well as the straps drive shaft new u joints just about all is ready for the body to be finished and painted then just put it back together.my goal now is to get it done for the March Syracuse Show. I decided to go with the base 428 block and after talking with Jim OMT go with the cam I have been using in my other GTOs the past 30 years .the base 428 will be wrapped in all the 65 correct pieces including a date correct Tri Power with the original correct part number tags for a stick. Ok now you guys can razz on me I had a set of vintage M/T covers . I've got those all buffed up and detailed to use on top. That will be the only brake though from the stock appearance.

Mrs Santa also gave me a much needed electric winch for my trailer .That will be a nice addition .

Fire wall markings
 

I cleaned up the firewall taday taking care not to destroy any marking that may have been there. the only one I found was the one pictured below no date stamp or anything else.

My star chief has a 197 or 195 written in marker on the firewall. No idea what it meant

Deuce - maybe we talked about this and I missed it, but where was the car built?

K

serial code P Mi.

Ok - Pontiac Michigan. That means I have a theory about the "5" stamp:

You probably already know that the Pontiac plant had an "accumulator" between the Fisher body portion and the main assembly plant. There were 8 staging lanes that the bodies could be place in (plus the aisleway), and then were pulled from based (loosely) on first in/first out, material availability, option content, etc.

I wonder if the "5" stamp indicates your body was placed in row 5 until it was pulled and placed on the final line.

- OR - it could simply be an inspection stamp from the trim line, and that particular inspector was coded number 5.

My guess(es) -

K

getting closer this was an easy car and should have been done a year ago but ....

working on the rear quarters decided to put on the lower patch panels .It had been hit at one time on the outside left rear. so I sectioned in a v shape piece ahead of the fender extension to get a good body line back then trimmed that to meet the repair panel.I also had to straighten the outer lip of the wheel house extension up near the tail panel . I'll smooth it out some more put some seam sealer on and with the trunk spackle paint it will be as good as new. I glued the the r p in two places along the wheel house lip and along the bottom of the wheel house extension . If you look at the trunk shot you can see where the panel adhesive oozed out to make a good bond and seal . I then migged in the butt joint and skimmed both sides with all metal or similar type product to sandwich the seam and prevent any moisture penetration .

Great Job! I used the same method on my 66 front fender patch panels only without mig welding the butt joint. That's a very strong repair and don't think you'll ever have a problem there.

Just an up date I'm still chipping away at the 65

Lookin good... I'll have to update the board with some pics of mine as well.

Don, I noticed you have two different wheel covers on your 65.How did it come from the factory? Deluxe or Wire? And is that a 64 or 65 up wire? I don't see any cooling slots? Keep up the good work. Larry B.

Larry I'm not sure what it came with nothing is marked on my phs as far as hub caps. (see # 19 this post ) I was just putting caps on to see which I liked better.I bought a set of 65 spinners that a guy claimed were good , but I got it shoved up my butt paid top $$ for junk I wouldn't put them on my car trailer. To answer your question on the wires they are 65 / 66 they have the slots I have 2 sets of slotted and 2 sets of 64s non slotted. I put a set of 64 wires on my 64 Cat but am going to take them off and put the original caps back on at some point. I bought 2 caps yesterday I thought were 64s but turned out to be 63s. There is a picture in the B body section and they are now listed on e bay. Don

well the shell is finally blue again ,

Could be the rotation number for tracking through the plant.

Keith knows this better than anyone, but at some point the materials management people have to make sure they have all the parts in the house to build the car, or at least enough to drive it off the line until it can get finished and shipped.

They won't stop a job for an armrest or ashtray, but if the division doesn't have enough Tempest front clips, or engines, that's a problem, because that WILL stop the line. Once materials people confirm enough blue seats, blue steering wheels, white sidewall tires frames and steering boxes, etc, they sequence the job, and choose the order of the jobs to go to final.

My guess, and it is only a guess, is that number would be the sequence number for that day's production, that body was #178 or whatever to go from Fisher to final assembly. Whether it was applied beforehand and sent to an intermediate collection point, or just marked as the day's 178th job, dunno.

I'd assume the situation was similar at GM to Chrysler and Ford when it comes to spacing the jobs. More complex or involved vehicle builds were never scheduled together, so that the line didn't get held up by difficult operations, or the repair holes didn't fill up to keep the line going. So there might be a stawag, a couple of coupes, a couple of sedans, a convertible, a few more sedans, etc.

An automotive plant in those days was an insane ballet, proven over many many years... how they did it... don't know, but sure glad they did.

AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH! I want your '65. Very cool.

Well some 29 years after being last registered in SC the ol goat is coming back to life.
Last fall actually Thanksgiving time I walked away from it because I wasn't happy with the paint on the roof. I probably should have left it alone after the first shot, but I had two small tiger stripes over the back window that bugged the crap out of me. so I fogged those out and recleared it and the whole top cratered (fish eyed) so I sanded it down again and resprayed the base and got dirt in it. That was it . walked away from it until last month. Well I can't spray in the house and I needed to be doing something if this car was ever going to get finished.So I decided to do what ever I needed to do to get the motor running . I put in the dash harness heater box clutch and brake pedals steering column dash bezel ( 64 with the swirled aluminum I don't care for the wood grain ) Then the motor 4 speed shifter emergency brake and cables. Oil primed the motor dropped in the distributor and a gas line off the fuel pump into a quart container and rolled the starter. After a couple tries the old Tiger woke up I let out a woowhooo and my daughter in law comes running out in the garage to see what was wrong . Nothings wrong It LIVES again she's running . I sounds pretty stout but ,of course its straight out the manifolds . Just hearing the motor run was a big mile stone . It was supposedly rebuilt years ago and never fired.I did pull the front cover and intake and there were new gaskets and gears set etc . so I decided to take the gamble. I think we'll be ok . I'm polishing my exhaust and will install that next. connect the brake lines and bleed the system. probably put in the gas tank and set the windshield and rear glass . I'm kinda doing this back wards but I don't have a place to paint until the weather warms up. I'll just have to mask off everything now before I spray again . The shell is in color so the jams and edges are basically done I'll just have to blend to them.

Ok guys now don't laugh to hard but I had to do it. backed the old girl out of the garage on her own power and took a run up and down the drive way a couple times. That fed my desire to get get her finished. My wife snapped this picture on me.