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Randy Ferguson 08-09-2009 07:06 PM

'63 SD Tempest aluminum front end
 
I'm in the process of building an aluminum front end for a '63 SD Tempest and thought I would share the process with you fine folks.

The first step is to capture as much information from the original part as possible. In this case, a donor steel front end is being used to create bucks to fit the new panels to. The inner structure is first removed, then the interior side of the panels are cleaned and waxed. (The wax acts as a release agent.)

A grid of 1/4" rods are then laid out at about 6-8" intervals. After the rods are welded, gussets added, etc., fiberglass reinforced body filler is used around the perimeter in areas where the buck will double as a hammerform. The rest of the rods are covered with regular cheap body filler, as those are used only as a guide to make sure the panels are shaped properly.

About 4" from the upper fender mounting flange, there is a bolt flange incorporated in the design of the buck, making it modular to allow the buck to be removed from the original panel as well as removing new parts from the buck as they are completed. Without being able to break down the buck, it would be locked in place due to flanges, undercuts, etc.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...d/100_1227.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...d/100_1247.jpg


Since there is quite a bit of shape in the lower half of these fenders, I chose to make quick, inexpensive dies to stamp those areas. Those were made from laying up 6-8 layers of fiberglass mat and resin on the inside of the fender, then body filler was thinned with fiberglass resin to get a consistency that is pourable and self leveling. The finished die ends up being 2-3" thick and quite durable, believe it or not.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...d/100_1249.jpg

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...d/100_1244.jpg

With all that boring stuff out of the way, it's time to start shaping panels.

This is after a couple hits in the stamping press. I'm very new to stamping, so there is still a lot to learn, but that's part of the fun.

The aluminum blank is laid on top of the dies, then 3/4" rubber pads are added to the top of the aluminum blank as needed between cycles in the press to get the aluminum to conform to the die.

This panel is obviously not finished at this point, but it is promising to be a viable approach. I ended up making a small section of an upper die to get the rest of the definition where the bumper mounts. It wasn't getting a deep enough draw with the rubber pads. Part of that is no doubt due to a lack of tonnage and a lack of knowledge/experience on my part.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...d/100_1240.jpg

Due to the crown of the fender near the front, i decided it would save time to make that as a separate panel from the rest of the top half of the fender. Both of the panels that make up the top half of the fender were made with an english wheel.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...d/100_1255.jpg

After some careful trimming for a tight, butt-welded seam, it starts coming together pretty quick.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...d/100_1260.jpg

I tried taking a picture this afternoon of the fender, but the sunlight creates too much of a glare for a good picture. I'll try to get a good picture when the sun sets this evening.

p2architect 08-10-2009 07:42 PM

That is way cool.
John D would be proud.

Later in his career he built that little all aluminum D car.

Later - I look forward to your ALL aluminum 63 2 door Lemans coupe.

Keep up the good work - it looks great already.

Scott M 08-10-2009 07:58 PM

John D's car was made of stainless steel, not aluminum.

Randy:

I'm the fat, bald guy carrying the '61 inner fenderwells who you met in the parking lot as you were leaving.

Nice work.

:hail:




:usa2:

Randy Ferguson 08-10-2009 09:04 PM

Still not the greatest picture, but here's a finished shot.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...d/100_1275.jpg

azkeebler 08-10-2009 09:31 PM

OMG That' nice work!!
 
Wow, that takes some serious time and skill. Very nice!! Please keep up the progress with other work!!:D

70Steve 08-10-2009 11:46 PM

Didn't expect to see this when I first read the title!!
Thanks for sharing Randy.Almost a crime to have to paint it.
Metal fabrication and coachbuilding has always intrigued me.
Look forward to updates.
Steve.

mechanickeith 08-11-2009 12:57 AM

MOST EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!

What gage of aluminum & are you making inner bracing for the fender simular to the factory steel one??? Cant wait to see it all come together!!! I think the hood is going to be a lot more fun to make tho!!!!

Randy Ferguson 08-11-2009 01:11 AM

Hi Kieth,

I'm using .063 3003 H14. It's heavier gauge than the original parts, but much more resistant to dents. The inner structure will be just like the steel ones.

The hood shouldn't be too big of a deal. It's fairly simple. I bought 60"x144" sheets of aluminum for this project, so i can do the hood skin in one piece.

This is the type of panels I usually make.

http://www.fergusoncoachbuilding.com...ent/Image5.jpg

mechanickeith 08-11-2009 01:29 AM

Hey Randy, Glad you went with a thicker sheet. The originals were so thin!! Cool that internal bracing will stay original. Best of luck with the hood!! That is an awfully big piece to shape!! Like I said, cant wait to see the finished product!!

Keith

PS:::::: That front end is just plain wicked!!! Not in my wildest wet dreams could I ever think of making that!!!

Randy Ferguson 08-11-2009 01:44 AM

Keith,

It's sort of like building a house....One piece at a time. The trick is to not try making larger panels than your skill level can handle. The more you do, the more confident you become. I used to make everything in smaller panels because I was afraid my skills were not up to handling larger pieces. If you fail on a larger piece, the cost to scrap it gets in your pocket pretty fast. I'm still learning new things everyday, but I'm not afraid to tackle large panels anymore.

Less than 10 years ago, I had no clue how to shape a piece of sheetmetal. If you want to learn it badly enough, you can. Never is a long time!!!!

twooldgoats 08-11-2009 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy Ferguson (Post 3733164)


......Less than 10 years ago, I had no clue how to shape a piece of sheetmetal. If you want to learn it badly enough, you can.........

I agree with your philosophy 100%. The parts you're producing now are a tribute to an amazing amount of time and energy you must have put in to get this far. Thanks for sharing the pictures and the process.

Jim

spartazoo 08-11-2009 08:42 AM

Awesome! Thanks for sharing. Please keep posting updates.

Not sure if you noticed but I have the silver 63 Tempest test mule clone named "Born Too Late". A set of these would be right at home on my car.

Kip

tom s 08-11-2009 08:47 AM

Randy,great meeting you,glad I could help getting everyone together on this deal.Tom

GUILTY,HO 08-11-2009 09:27 AM

Are you going make and sell the fenders and hood ?
If so what kind of cost would they be.
I'm doing the 63 LeMans putting the 2006 running gear, floor pans, firewall, suspension and all in it, the aluminum fenders and hood would be nice.:ausflag:

gregsgtos2 08-11-2009 09:47 AM

i heard about 30k ?

Randy Ferguson 08-11-2009 10:02 AM

Quote:

i heard about 30k ?
I'd do it for that.

I don't like to discuss prices on an open forum.

I would be happy to discuss pricing and availability with anyone interested though. Just send me a PM or an e-mail: [email protected]

Keith Seymore 08-11-2009 11:54 AM

Welcome, Randy - they look great.

K

triathlonx13 08-11-2009 12:02 PM

Nice to have options ! Nice work.

Engine-Ear 08-11-2009 11:55 PM

Very impressive!!

fasteddy 08-12-2009 02:07 PM

Randy, I am envious of your skill. I always wanted to learn metal work.

Randy Ferguson 08-12-2009 02:51 PM

fasteddy,

Thanks. It's never too late to learn!

Kochtanek 08-12-2009 05:17 PM

Supreme metal bumping
 
I met Randy this summer (early June) at a get together in Thompson, Ohio. He was in the process of mocking up an aluminum front clip for a 1962 Chevy. His work is top notch, and he's a fine fellow to boot!

I think you'll find his pricing to be fair considering the amount of time it takes to make the buck and create the panels :).

Cheers!
Tom Kochtanek

Randy Ferguson 08-12-2009 06:57 PM

Hey Tom,

Surprised to see you here!

Thanks for all the kind words.

I've gotta get a few other projects out of the way and I'll be gettin back on that '62 front end. I'll be posting some pics one of these days on 348-409.com as I make more progress on it.


Thanks guys for all the compliments.

Tenney 08-12-2009 07:35 PM

Nice work!

Ron Landis 08-13-2009 08:35 AM

Just curious...
 
Is this for John's "E-Bay SD"? I'll be tthe guy with the original unit is kicking himself about now for being so greedy...if that is in fact the case. Nice work...btw! Ron

tom s 08-13-2009 10:17 AM

yes it is!I put Randy,Scott and John together,glad it worked out.Tom

Keith Seymore 08-13-2009 10:23 AM

Excellent. Thanks for pulling that together, Tom.

K

Randy Ferguson 08-13-2009 10:59 AM

Yeah, and thanks for fielding that question too!

ANDYA 08-13-2009 12:21 PM

I got to met Randy on Saturday, a real nice guy. He had the fender on the ramp of Scott Tiemann's trailer and he allowed my friend and I to pick it up and examine it. All I can say is it's an amazing piece of skill and craftsmanship. Meeting him was one of the many highlights of the weekend.

Blue '66 08-13-2009 04:07 PM

Beautiful work!

pont406 08-17-2009 04:31 AM

Hey Randy, I was talking to you as well at Scott's trailer checking out the fender, looks great! I spent 8 years working at a GM Stamping plant, and it was really hard to tell your fender wasn't stamped from the outside appearance! i think anybody looking to do alumnium for a 62/63 SD car or clone, should come see you!

Brian Baker 11-12-2009 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Landis-formerly Jegstek (Post 3735209)
Is this for John's "E-Bay SD"? I'll be tthe guy with the original unit is kicking himself about now for being so greedy...if that is in fact the case. Nice work...btw! Ron

Ya think? Nobody is going to want to come anywhere near what he wants for it. Now that the original car it came from has been found, it's just another aluminum front end (like it was before) if it's not to be mated to the original car.

Absolutely beautiful craftsmanship, Randy...'39-'41 Willys I'm very fond of too.

sdbob 12-16-2009 07:37 PM

Just got wind of this post.Thank you Randy for sharing your 'work'.Amazing how 'simple' it sounds.I know it takes planning and skill. My father always said ' you can do anything yourself it just takes more time and planning. I tell the wife when she gets high-per that you take one step at a time you don't jump from the first floor to the second. Love the 63's. esp the Tempest-Lemans cars.


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