Why even have a Big Pontiacs for sale forum?
 

I'm not trying to be a rude person, but why even have that forum? It's obvious nobody on this board outside of a few ppl give a crap about full-size Pontiacs unless you nearly give them away, even if they are nice cars.

People post ads and it's like a graveyard. Maybe nobody wants to admit that full-size Pontiacs by and large are barely worth the metal they are made of these days.

I think Pontiacs are great cars, but I'll never buy another full-size version. I found out the hard way they are a poor investment.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Pissed because no one bought your car?
Yes, there is a limited market for the big cars, even more limited on cars like yours from the late '70s. If you bought it as an investment then you've found out that the only cars that have any potential to be money makers in this market are the rare and desirable cars.

You also have to keep in mind that as big as this board may seem, there are really only a few hundred that are really active on it any time. If you really want to sell you've got to get it on front of more people than just PY.

Well with all due respect that's the problem; your last line says it all.
You’re in it for "Investment" if so then you will never really appreciate any car.
IMO true enthusiasts do it for the love of the car not the investment.
Hell I restored an OHC 6 Lemans; My GTO buddies always scratch their heads as to why or what a waste, so on and so on.
I did it for the my interest in the car, will I make any money if I sell it ? HELL NO.

Good response........
 

Well stated, Jeff!!

I can't think of a more under appreciated Pontiac than a big ol' 68 Grand Prix, except by it's owner/operator :D.

I could be enticed to trade my 68GTO for:

A crisp 63-69 Bonneville 421/428 with Tow Package. Auto or stick.

The good news is you can offer free newsletter mailing to the members of the "We love the 68 Grand Prix Association". All you have to do is walk out and drop the one copy in your mailbox.:p

I have a few big Pontiacs and wouldn't sell them. I need more. The '66 Grand Prix is a great one that I would like to add to my stable.

:rolleyes:

The big Pontiacs were some of the best cars made in their time.:) They were (and are) great family vehicles that were fun to drive and take trips with 5 or 6 people in. They are underappreciated these days by a lot of people who have no idea what a nice car really is besides a fancy nameplate on an average (or even mediocre) car. Dont buy any car as a potential "investment". A buyer should buy these cars because they "like" the car. These high priced "investors" have ruined the old car hobby to some extent by driving up prices on certain cars that they "believe" in their minds, to be a nicer old car than another one they dont think is worth anything. All older cars have their vices and virtues, one may be better in certain categories than others and vice versa. As an extreme example- Is what is basically a Plymouth Satellite (Road Runner) with the RB (Hemi) engine really worth 2 million dollars, while an actual Satellite with a Slant six not worth hardly anything and someone sells it for $2500 after sitting on it for a couple of years?:confused: Sidesteeping all the original "restored" crap such a "reproducing" the original chalk marks and other nonsense, a person could buy the cheaper-(much cheaper) car , put in a 528 crate hemi, restore the body, redo the interior, update the chassis, and blow away the "original" Barrett Jackson crap in all functional categories, as well as have more fun to boot. And have enough money left over to buy a mansion and a first class trip to Hawaii.:D The same holds true for these big Pontiacs. Buy the one you like, do the body and interior real nice, add all the creature comforts you can that could have came with the car, while not detracting from the appearance. Then put in a nice Pontiac engine with well thought out components and an overdrive, then hit the open road and enjoy. The enjoyment is "the investment":D Dont plan on recouping the money outlay and youll be fine.

Yet another reason to require a minimum post count before offering something for sale......:rolleyes:

My fav GP. Nothing beats the slope of the rear qtrs and the tail end. Id love to have one.

1966 Grand Prix looks like a big 66 GTO. My favorite as well ,with the 65 running a close second. The color "Iris Mist" (a violet sort of color) actually looks pretty good on the 65 IMO.:2cents: Make mine a 421 tripower with console and 4 speed. The Catalina 2+2 was a very desirable car as well.:)

And especially the GTO grille treatment.

Read the following with Moe Howard's voice (3 Stooges)

"Oh...a speculator, eh?":rolleyes:

I'm surprised that the car (301/Auto) didn't reject the NHRA plate. How did you manage that??
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My rule #1 when I buy an old car that I'll probably resell is, if I end up getting stuck with it for a while I need to make sure it's a car I don't mind getting stuck with. If you want to use the I bought it for an investment excuse, make sure it's a car you aren't going to regret when that investment bites you in the ass.

I knowed that this? would get the ones one the dark side reved up.

I knowed that this? would get the ones one the dark side reved up. I like the 65 bonnys i owend one years ago and loved it.

this thread started off awesone!!!! now go start a similar thread in the trans am section, they really get pssed

iam sorry i had to go find the ad, after the comment about rejecting the nhra plate...that ad was funnier than this thread lmao........ i was just teasing about the trans am section then i seen you did mention those over valued pieces of metal that wouldnt fall from the tree if you pushed them, probaly no T/A guys even looked at that thread because if so it wouldve been alot longer, although i do have a 75.


in any case after reading your ad, i imagine you as if you could be that guy trying to sell vacuums door to door who one day some poor person doesnt buy the vacuum and you say "fk it iam whipping you then!"



come to think of it, my sister in law had one just like that car, you shoulda did what they did, traded it in on something, they gotta decent trade in value considering their cars condition

Damn, White with pea green interior! I missed that rare vintage Pontiac! Someones gonna make a mint on that one.

Don't even get me started.....That "Big Car" is a former image of a real big car Pontiac...(IMO)
Like anything ..depends on what ya got to sell.
I turn down offers every now and then and I don't want to sell.....;)

Sorry bout your bad luck..

Agreed. Kind of reminds me of a kid stomping his feet. WOW :eek:

I get more hollers screams yells and nice car comments when I take out my 65 cat convert than I ever do with the GTOs. Some people appreciate them.

The joy of the big car is in ownership. My wife and I cruise out to dinner or the lake in the GP and we get more thumbs up then I ever did in the Vette. At shows people always stop to look over the car and inevitably I hear, "Nice car, you never see these anymore".

Restoring them is a true labor of love, I have way more into mine then I will ever get back, ( hope my wife is not reading this ), but the joy is hunting those parts that are rare, one year only, not reproduced, not available in a catalog.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I've owned pretty much all the Pontiacs and a fair share of the other brands. When I had the chance to buy pretty much whatever I wanted the GP was the one I wanted.

Best, -H

ps: A better investment is a weekend in Vegas, at least you will have fun at the tables!

THIS is the "big car" he was speculating on? I didn't see the ad so when I think "big car Pontiac" I usually think Catalina/GP/Bonneville from 1961-1975. Sure, there were big cars prior to 1961, but because there were no small cars to compare to (like a 1961 Tempest) I tend to not associate those pre-1961 big cars as "darksiders". Sorry about his luck, but if you're going to pick a car to speculate on, make sure it's one that other people desire to have in large numbers.

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My 62 GP is considered a big car and you won't ever see it in the for sale section. Maybe big cars don't do much for you and maybe YOU consider them a bad investment, but that's just your opinion. Over the years, the time and money I've put into my car are definitely worth it to me. I'm not into this to get rich. I'm into it because I love the car and I get a serious amount of gratification working on it as well as driving it. I have no idea what you drive and I really don't care, but if you're only in it for the investment, then your opinion really is worthless as far as I'm concerned.

To each his own. Would I like to own a nice A-body? Sure, who wouldn't. But 5-6 years ago they were priced in the crazy zone. So, I bought a 68 Bonneville Convertible. Is it fast? No. Valuable? No. Fun? Dammn straight it is! My teenage daughters are actually happy to be seen with ol' Dad in that thing. Bought it running for $1850. Try that with the GTO, much less a drop top. My decision to buy a full size was completely driven by price. I bought because I could afford it.

Why start a thread
 

About how much big cars suck. Then not come back and join the conversation.

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My daughter and her friends love my 66 Bonneville convertible. One evening we were coming back from the local cruise in when Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody came on the radio.
6 teenagers singing as loud as they could, priceless. The look form the other cars at the stoplight, priceless. Oh I did inherit moms gto however my love is for the 65-66 full size cars. A 77 SJ GP with T-Tops would be a neat car to have.
IMO Do not be a hater because YOU made a mistake.

patrick

I know i dont own a big car but i have nothing against them. Ive rode in and know peoplee that have them. I would have to agree that they are nice cars and an eye catcher just as much as the small cars. I think by owning one you gotta love the car no matter what the value is. Its still an old car and its never going to be around again. I look at some of the old pontiac station wagons and I think id love to have one of them in great running condition to do some traveiling in. I bought my car for two reason. one to pass on to my kids to get an idea of what the times was like and what cars were really made of. Also for the fact that I love the car itself.

I love the big boats and the firebird line and cats and Gps , but have neither the room or the money to buy at the moment , and cars as a investment , pfffff , cars are to drive and enjoy, if you want to invest buy stocks and bonds , cars will never be a good buy , I never expect my racecar to make more money than I have invested into it , but the adrenalin rush is more than enough payment , and also I get as many looks driving the grandville convert as I do a 73 firebird . and the fun part being I can give a rustang a good run with a boat .

ok.. please leave the Darkside.. fine with me.. if all the speculators leave then that would make things a heck of a lot cheaper for me ( and hopefully easier to find). Good luck on your other 'investments'..

I fell into the ownership of a 64 Bonneville convertible by near accident and now you couldnt pry it out of my cold dead fingers. I was looking at smaller cars like a 65 Buick Special.. but once I drove the Bonnie a few times that was game over. Loved how it drove.. and I love looking over that flat hood with the fender ridges.. and even with that im not a huge fan of the tail lights on the 64s compared to the 63s and 65s.

from what I can tell around here the 64s seem to be one of the less popular years .. but Im actually looking at adding a 64 Cat hardtop to the stable as well. Its a near basket case but Im wanting to use it as a class room to learn my chops and dont want to use the Bonneville for that. Since they are both 64s I expect most of the lessons I learn on the Cat will directly cross over to the Bonneville when a frame off on it becomes necessary.

I expect to lose my a** financially on it but it wont matter to me. I will be learning what I want and will be preserving a piece of written-off Americana to boot..

Win win for me.. just not my wallet..

Hopefully his transition to the chevy forums will be a good one for him.

Well said.

My thoughts exactly.

FWIW You buy a 77/ 8 B body Pontiac to drive, not to speculate.

One other positive about big car ownership is you don't have near the number of expert dickheads telling you your car is "wrong" because it's not the way it was on Uncle Bobby's car 35 yrs ago! You will have to put up with more My [ insert relative here] had one just like it and we drove that car everywhere stories tho!

Bought my first 65 GP when GTO prices were proving to be ridiculous...never looked back.

Like he said on Pawn Stars "Cars are something you lose money on"

Why get rid of it ? Does it offend you ?

Big Ponchos are bada$$

the first response to this failure of a thread is good enough.

Big Pontiacs Rule !
Whoever started this darksider slammin' thread should go & buy at least 5# of cheese to go with the large amount of whine that they have

:rolleyes::D

investment?? who buys classic cars for investment? unless you are J Leno or such with lotsa money.....I buy classic cars for the enjoyment of driving them...

I know that the fullsize cars is the only reason I got into old cars. I'd give up my Y88 TA for a 65 fullsize anyday. A poor investment is only your opinion. They are hard to restore, yes because you cant just go anywhere and buy sheetmetal. But a good fullsize car to a educated buyer will yield good money. Try to find a 65 Catalina that is in strong #2 or even #1 condition and see what you'll have to pay for it. I cant find a nice driver that needs no metal work for under $8k. I was a dummy 3 years ago and let one go for $5000 and still kick myself.

I have a 65 GTO now.......... but if I ever get the chance to afford another car, It will be a 1962 Pontiac Grand Prix.

Tyler,i would have been interested in your Bonneville if i wasn't working on my T/A at this time. I had a Bonneville like your a few years ago and sold it to a member here on PY. But when it sold the car market was better and i didn't get much more than your were originally asking on yours. The green interior on yours didn't brother me,but the dirty carpet was a turn off for me. IMHO, if the whole car would have been detailed you probably would have sold it a long time ago.




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I grew up with 62 Cats. Had several-love em! I currently own a 62 GP ( a work in progress) and I also have a 67 GTO. There is NO DOUBT I would sell it long before my 62GP! (neither for sale at this time or the forseeable future)

a 100 dollar piece of carpet probally would have made a few hundred bucks more to the car

early darksiders are what got into pontiacs in the first place!

Another option would have been to take the carpet out, and clean it with carpet cleaner and a pressure washer, let it dry out and stick it back in. These vintage factory carpets had a thick rubber backing on them.:2cents:

I'm the one that bought se428bandit's car. My son wrecked the car and has another now. I STILL have the wrecked Bonnie because I just can't bring myself to get rid of it.
I'd make it my daily driver in a heartbeat if he hadn't wrecked it. It's fixable but not in the immediate future. Hard to find one of those looooong coupe doors.

I learned to drive using big Pontiacs. My dad had a deal with a used car dealer in La Grange, Il. and,being a banker, gave him a good interest rate to finance his inventory.
Good old Olaf "Butch" Gjovik lent my dad some great cars to drive at the time. Cat's, Bonnies, GP, and big 421's included. Man,that was the time for a 15 going on 16year old kid. They are stone beautiful cars. Larry B.

I think its in poor taste to make a post like his and not return.

However, I think he's referring to his 66 more than the 77.

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Attitude is everything, a hooker would go broke with a bad attitude no matter how good she looked.