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I know its not a car Question but My wife took a CWP class and im taking mine on the 15th My question is she loves the Sig Sauer P239 .40 She looked at sig 9mm but she really didnt like it nor I ,, I like the Hit power of the .40. Tell me what you think.

If she likes it and is accurate with it, go with the .40. A comparable sized 9mm will hold more rounds, less felt recoil, and is cheaper to shoot. If the goal is personal defense, and you two are equally efficient with both calibers, the .40 will be more effective.

I am not a fan of 9mm. The 40 is an extremely popular caliber and has good ballistics. My wife and I carry 45's. She bought a XD45 Compact since it has a grip safety. I carry Glocks.

As stated above if she likes it and she shoots is well then that would be the pistol to go with.

I have the XDM 40 and LOVE it!

How much $ are they going for now days? I went and looked at a few smaller guns today, I did not know that i can get a background ck in 20min, kind of shocked me, buy a gun kill in 20 min wow.

Is that why you're looking at guns?

I like the HK .40s. Otherwise, you can shoot a good .22 all day long for cheap.

Let me take a slightly different stab at this.

Most recommendations are good for trained shooters the problem is 99% of people aren't (even those that think they are)

Most "bad guys" will run away when confronted with a gun, the few that won't will run if the gun is shot at them. Most of the people carrying a pistol will be too nervous, scared, shocked, etc to hit the broad side of a barn if the need arose.

So, while a 9mm isn't the optimal choise for a defensive weapon, it generally carries the most rounds. When someone is in fear of their life, shooting in a spray n pray, making noise manner, more bullets are better than the size of the hole. (that said I wouldn't go smaller than a 38/9mm)

Personally, I carry a 1911 and have shot competitively enough that I'm confident I can make my 8 rounds count. My wife, she needs as many bullets as she can get.

Just teach your loved ones to put two in the chest, if they keep coming start shooting at the head. Find a pistol that is comfortable to carry, hold and shoot. If the pistol doesn't meet all of the above, chances are it won't be there when needed.

Can't go wrong with the any Sig except maybe the the Mosquito. Secret Service use Sig's.

No just looking around in a pawn shop, I own 8 guns.

Thanks for the comments so far, She shoots well with the Sig, also we have already signed up for a Tactical class

Excellent. When you find a good round that your guns like buy it in bulk from an online store and practice practice practice.

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I am pretty partial to my Ruger SR40C... 15+1 .40 caliber in a nice concealable package...

One thing to keep in mind....If it's cumbersome or a pain to carry, most likely, you'll quit carrying it at all. Make sure it is a gun you can comfortably and easily conceal. Even if it's a small caliber, small frame pistol. It's always better to have SOME gun than NO gun.

Agree. Laser Grips etc that "put the dot" on the subject can save valuable ammo and make a point without a word or a shot fired.

Check this place out, and give them a call w any Q's you have: www.topgunrange.com

Sandy and I went throught the NRA Basic Pistol course required to get a CT CCW permit.
She pretty good for someone that hadn't fired a pistol in 30yrs! She has fired my 1911 and CZ-83. Doesn't like either because they're too heavy. She REALLY wants a pink pistol, so for Christmas she's getting a Charter Arms "Pink Lady". It's light enough and is chambered for the .38S+P round.

I think she found what she likes and should stick with it. Sig's are fine weapons; and the 239 is an excellent choice. I agree with David, you'll/she'll be mediocre at BEST if confronted with a hostile situation; knowing your gun, practicing maneuvers of all the things that can happen, and plenty of range time will go far when in a crisis.

Caliber selection is very personal and that debate will never end.

Lastly, keep in mind a person with a knife is just as dangerous if not more than a gun. Every swipe of a knife will cause injury and very difficult to defend against...keep moving and use the gun.

Your PY handle shows “Palm Beach Co.,FL/IN/KY” and you mention CT CCW.

Serious Question: When you travel across state lines what do you do regarding your CT CCW? Assumption is each state has own CCW requirements and you could be in accident or incident while carrying in another state other than CT.

Ex: IIRC MA passed mandatory prison law if carrying across state line wo MA license.

I'm biased because I'm a revolver guy, just love the wheel guns... :D Most of the Sig's I've shot jam up, are picky about ammo, and just dont go "bang" every time the trigger is pulled. I'm sure many of ya'all will disagree but for a carry gun, I'd never go with anything but a revolver. As far as caliber goes, a .40/9mm/.380/.38/.357 would all be fine.

"Wheel" guns are a favorite of mine, but finding an AFFORDABLE one in .45ACP or .45 Colt ISN'T easy. I REALLY want a Ruger Redhawk in .45 Colt, but it's nearly DOUBLE the weight of my GI Expert. Recently, I looked at an S & W revolver in .45ACP, titanium frame and stainless cylinder and barrel. $1,500! Even the repos of the Model 27 are going for nearly $1,000.

Alvin,

Good question;simple answer. We MOVED! I currently possess an IN concealed carry permit as IN is my legal residence. I can legally carry in 27 states on that permit. As soon as we established FL as our legal residence, I'll get a FL CCW and convert my IN permit to a non-resident permit. The ONLY state I can't carry in with IN permit south of the Ohio River is SC. MA is a totally different ballgame. It is a FELONY to have ANY firearm in your possession without a MA permit. This VIOLATES federal law which allows you to carry a properly stored firearm in your vehicle. When I used to drive to CT from IN, I would stow my pistol in a locked case through OH(doesn't recognize IN permits INSPITE of the fact IN recognizes OH permits), carry it in PA(legally; PA recognizes IN permit), then have to restow the weapon, lock the ammo in a separate box, make sure I had my copy of the federal law stating a COULD care a properly stowed weapon in my vehicle(per the NRA Legal folks), fuel up and cross the NY border praying I didn't get stopped. Once in CT, I didn't carry my pistol. I completed all the required paperwork, but didn't send it in since we moved here. I'm REALLY NOT planning on spending more than a couple of days in the northeast EVER again...........

My thoughts exactly!

When I get my ccw I'm gonna use a ruger lcr revolver in .357 and shoot .38, maybe even use "shot shells" so I don't have to be accurate to hit the perp.

Ofcourse that's if that's legal.

That's because OH supposedly has more strict standards that one has to pass to receive a CCW.

In the same light.
Florida will not recognize an Ohio CCW either, but Ohio recognizes a FLA CCW.

However, FLA will grant a non-resident a CCW, which is why about 90% of the CCW's issued in Ohio are actually Florida permits.

An OH permit gets you about 21 states of reciprocity, Florida will get you the same 21, plus about 12 others. IIRC, that is. ;)

Jamie,

That's why I'm going to convert my IN resident permit to a non-resident permit. Additionally, I'm looking into getting a Utah non-resident permit. IN recognizes just about
EVERY other states' permits with the exception of Vermont, which doesn't require a permit to carry.

Buy a car and you can do the same thing. Based on that comment you should not own a firearm.

"Shot shells" use #9 pellets that are good for snakes, but I would never consider using them for self defense, as they would be less effective then a .22 cal.

If you concerned using .357 mag. ammo use .38+P. at a minimum. Many experts suggest you practice with .38 ammo, in addition to using .357 ammo, but recommend .357 for self defense, for maximum effectiveness.

Al's? Or in downtown Bristol?

To me gun's are one of those thing's that first impressions mean alot when I first hold a new gun. If it fits your hand than it worth trying out. Nothing worse than buying a new gun and finding out 200 rounds later it kills your hands. So I say it does not matter what caliber it may be as long as she can handle the gun. I am a fan of the 40's as well but some do not like the recoil. To me some of the 9's have just as much snap becuase of there smaller frame. Which I find hard to hold when you loose the pinky finger. Some of the sub-compact guns do have a finger extension's. The biggest problem I have is there is to many guns I want but my wallet will not allow this to happen.
Good luck and have fun and be safe.

That's the key. Unless your practice ammo is also your defense ammo, spend the extra money and always get some practice with your defense ammo before you pack up. You will probably notice three obvious things. More recoil, more noise, and the holes in your target are now appearing somewhere else.

The .40-S&W was developed solely as a compromise to the 10mm. Some federal agency (whose name escapes me now) wanted something more powerful than a 9mm, and they tested with a 10mm, but they found with certain agents (particularly females) that they couldn't bring the gun back quickly onto target after firing a round...the recoil of the 10mm made it so that multiple "taps" weren't accurate enough as they were with the 9mm.

So the .40-S&W was developed, which for lack of a better definition, is a 10mm short round.

My main handgun is a H&K USP-40...I love it.

That would be the FBI. And the 10MM was dropped for the .40 because the 10 would hammer the gun to pieces and break the slide and body quickly.

Brian,

I had a friend that owned one of the first Bren 10s( what Don Johnson carried in "Miami Vice"). I would have rather fired a .45ACP than a 10mm. VERY unexpected recoil. It was the FBI that requested the .40 S&W.

-What he said!
Take her to a store and find something small and manageable. A reliable .22 will protect her. In a gun fight there nobody takes out a micrometer to see who wins the size contest. besides, it has to be something she can hide, access, and shoot easily. Just make sure it has an intelligent safety. Small guns can be very dangerous if the safety isn't designed right.

I have been shot at dozens of times. Seriously. I have a single bullet hole in/out scar from getting hit once. That hit was from a shooter above me in a second or third story window (never identified the shooter). Once I was shot at from across the hood of a car, five rounds from six feet away, and every slug missed me. I wasn't shooting back either. Thug punk kids don't have access to shooting ranges.

Personally, I like the feel of a .45 1911 due to my stubby fingers. I can't hit a barn with a Glock.

I've been out of the repo business for many years now. So i'm not to current on the threats out here, but from things I hear, there are more guns than ever on the street.

Here's an excellent article on CC and weapon choice.

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm...9&utm_content=

Blurb from the article: "...the average gunfight is three shots in three seconds at three yards.".

Excellent. I believe this is as good a defense weapon as you can get to carry. My wife carries a Taurus CIA hammerless .38. Big is nice but being able to carry it comfortably is very nice.

.22's can really f u up.
A buddy was shot leave'n a bar late one nite.
Guy just walked up to him, raised gun, and fired 1 shot into his left upper shoulder.
It exited thru his right kidney!
Spent 3 days in the hospital.

And drivers license's are good in all States...

Gentlemen,

There IS a reason WHY SpecOps use a suppressed version of the Ruger Mark II. It is EFFECTIVE! The thought of a 60gr, subsonic hollwpoint bouncing around inside a human head should be chilling to anyone that understands ballistics.

SpecOps use suppressed 22's for small animals and lights.

They use suppressed 9mm and .45's for human targets

Ouch!

:D

sixgun,

I know a couple of former Special Ops types that would contend differently. The suppressed S & W M39 of the Vietnam era was nicknamed the "Hush Puppy" due to its
primary useage of silencing guard dogs. It's a 9mm. The suppressed Mark IIs don't have much range (50-75ft) due to the suppressors. They're made for "up close" work, if you know what I mean.

I am not a gun expert by any means, but I think the rounds you fire have a lot to do with stopping ability. I carry a Kimber Solo 9mm loaded with hollow-point ammo, and have a full size S/W 9mm with a laser sight loaded with the same in the house. The Kimber fits fine in my pocket. When I bought the Kimber, it said to use ONLY high quality 124 or 147 grain hollow-point ammo for proper operation. And were they right. It constantly jams on cheaper, lighter loads, but works perfectly otherwise.

I practice with the S/W, but the Kimber is for carry and only fires a few rounds at the range.

X2 on the Kimber. By far the best trigger of any gun I own(1911). But very picky about ammo as you said. One thing, you do have to send 1500 rounds or more down range through them before they become more tolerant of different ammo. And that is what upsets people about Kimbers...but, once broken in, I haven't come across a more accurate and ideal trigger than the Kimber...yet..but I'm working on it! lol

Best ammo for self defense. I suggest anyone that is new to CCW and firearms do research in magazines that specialize in handguns, i.e. Handguns, Guns & Ammo, etc. and various gun forums, not to mention firearm instructors, etc. even on the web you can find lots of information.

Almost every issue of firearm magazines have articles about the latest and greatest in ammo. In addition to ammo, practice, practice, practice is key as even with the best ammo a miss with good ammo is less effective than a hit with target ammo.

I highly recommend firearms training for anyone that has not had experience in the past. You can never learn too much if you are going to carry a firearm for self defense. Knowing the law is another important area, as to when you can shoot to defend your self, what is behind what you are going to shoot at , as the bullet will keep on going if you don't hit your target and even if you do the ammo could continue on after it exited the attacker.

Having Liability insurance, such as an Umbrella Policy is also a good idea, as many criminals shot may try to sue or their family if they were killed, so this is another issue to be addressed if you are going to carry. Or hitting any innocent person if you missed the attacker.

There is more to just buying a firearm and holster and carrying a weapon for self defense.

Two of my favorites are my black powder .44 and my S&W Performance Shop .44 Mag