67 hood scoop
 

I am looking to find out if the grille part of a 67 gto scoop is painted black or the color of the car, thanks

I believe that they were painted flat black. They just don't look right when they're body color unless of course the car is black.

I believe they were body color. We "test painted" mine black and painted red around it, looked weird IMO

They were flat black from factory!

Hmm, looking at pictures most do appear black although I see some are painted body color

I thought I read that somewhere , just can't find it. thanks again old goat

Those are body color because whoever painted the car either didn't know or were too lazy to do it right.

I am sorry , I guess I worded that wrong. I have seen them painted flat black

I used to think that they were body color until Old Goat 67 set me straight. He's owned his since new. Mine were always 2nd hand at best. A couple of months ago, I found the scoop off of an original paint Copper Blaze '66 I had nearly 30 years ago, and sure enough, it was flat black in the grilles.

Charles is right on the money.... they were flat black from the factory.

There's a couple of guys around here with a 65 and a 67 that have them body color. One is white and the other is green, and both look like crap. GTO guys, me included, have mentioned this to them but they got their heads so far up their butts the won't listen. They think we're the ones that are wrong. LOL

This is definitely good to know. I'm hoping to acquire a second scoop so I can open it up, this should eliminate painting it black :D

Better yet it lets more air in. ;) But also bugs and water and dirt and..... LOL ;)

True, but I'm not too concerned, maybe I can fab up a mechanical, or vacuum flapper lol

The inserts were black. 30 years ago I was lucky enough to buy 2 NOS replacement scoops. These service parts were red primer with the grille portion painted flat black. The flat black portion was then masked off by the manufacturer. So just like I'm sure they did at the factory, after you painted the rest of it body color all you had to do was remove the masking tape.

Spud, I've opened up a couple of them by running a cut-off wheel along the back side of the grille areas. It removes the material but leaves the fins. It's easy to do and fast. Plus, it looks really good when done. No need to try to cut between the fins....simply removing the back material in a couple of passes allows the fins to stand alone. It'll keep the bigger bugs out, anyway!

Can you post a few pictures?

Spud, no time soon. Got a busy two weeks ahead of me and no time. I have a couple of photos of it on the other PC and will try to locate/post them when I can.

I've been running a wide open scoop for 7 years on my '66. No bugs have gotten in there (Florida). I could just be lucky? If you wanted to get fancy, you could open it up and attach a screen on the back and paint that black.

Thing is, it's easier and faster just to run the cut-off wheel behind the scoop insets. It leaves perfect grilles in place. Looks factory, and no screen to install. Easier than neatly cutting out the entire opening, IMO, and looks trick, too.

Doing the same for two years on mine. No bugs also. Could it be that it's really just "Cold Air Intake" and not "Ram Air"? Ha. :)

You remember what Jim Wangers said about the hood scoop?

Yeah, but it gives the same feeling I had driving a 57 T Bird back in the day.

Cool man, cool.

Hmm, some good ideas here, I feel like it would function more as ram air as long as the pan and seal are in place under the hood.

Not according to Jim Wangers. He said it's in the location on the hood and facing the wrong direct.

From an old post by Pontirag on 06-14-2013, 01:56 PM

".......the repop scoops are not the same as the factory ones? I understand that they are a "propriatary design" that only fit the repro hoods, and that you cannot install factory hood scoops in the repro hoods."

This is some info to check out when you want to get the correct "scoop". (Pun intended)

Correct. The scoop is down in the "boundary layer" of airflow and is too low for any ram effect. It functions merely as a cold air intake (which is worth about .2 of a sec reduction in ET on our car).

Compare that to the Firebird Formula hood, which would be a much better design.

K

Funny you should mention the T bird, OG -

My dad mentioned to me that the GTO scoop was originally supposed to be taller, ala '57 T bird, but the metal was being stretched too thin and was tearing.

They kept gradually reducing the height and revising the shape until they could repeatably manufacture a part - and that is what determined the final design.

K

But the Formula hood scoops would look really funny on a 65 to 67 GTO. I'd lean towards the 71/72 GTO's intakes grafted to the 65/66/67 hood up front for real RAM Air. Kinda like what Shelby did going from the 65/66/67 hood to the 68 RAM Air hood scoops up front on the GT 500. That's where it did trick for the full RAM Air effect.

I agree that the ram air effect is minimal on the '65 through '67 gtos. The real difference is in the air temperature that makes for a denser charge. By and large, under-hood air is quite a bit hotter than outside the hood air. The larger the difference between the two, the greater the difference in performance with the ram air pan. I am proud to run one of the estimated 300 original ram air pans on my '66. I don't know how great of a performance difference it makes, but it is a part of history. It looks cool too! Jerry.

Keith Another great fact from you. I love History.

I would believe that Keith. Makes one wonder how Ford did it? That metal was probably thicker also. Always thought it was akin to the T Bird scoop. And, the T Bird scoop had a block off plate that one could attach to the rear of it to close it off.

Charles

The Ford scoop is smaller in overall area than the GTO scoop despite the height difference so the metal would flow less and not tear when being drawn into the form. I can see the huge GTO scoop being an issue since that is a huge draw (area wise) and if the 1965 hoods were thinner gauge than the 1955 Ford hoods, you could get a problem with metal flow and tearing.

Spud, here's a photo of the functional scoop on my '67. Still looks stock, but from the side, you can see light through it.

It looks like the whole piece is painted flat black. Is that right and did you use a cutoff saw and cut the back of the louvers off?

The whole thing is painted a semi gloss black. I used a cut off wheel perpendicular to the back and just ran it along the back area crosswise. No need to cut between the fins. It's thin aluminum and goes away really quickly.

Thank you, I will have to give this a shot.

I've done this to two scoop inserts myself. I think it's the best looking way to have functional scoops & also helps to keep debris out. If I was going to race the car, I believe I would pull the whole insert out & make a larger opening for the intake air. I've always felt that the small openings with the ribs still in might impede airflow a slight bit.

reading all the posts I guess Its what a guy wants to do, I had a machinest friend of mine mill mine out and left the ridge around the fins, looks good to me, as for leaving the fins and cutting between them I remember reading along the same lines about satelite dishes that where perforated allum. after the wind blew so hard it didn't make any differance if the holes where there or not, being an X drag racer we all know the best place to get the air is at the base of the windshield. just my opinion. jd grim 66 gto