Anyone need a really nice 71-72 Shaker?
 

I figure I would alert you guys here that I just listed my restored 1971-2 shaker unit in the Firebird Parts For Sale section

This was the functional 1971-1972 thick lipped, shaker that I restored as an extra when I was restoring the 1972 T/A a couple years ago in the never-ending thread. Go to pages 72-73 of my thread: http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...+rivet&page=72

It is listed for $850. Thanks, NJSteve [email protected]

Here is the link: http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...18#post5075218

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Is it NOS?

No. It is a properly restored original piece in much better condition than NOS....so the mounting studs are in the right spots unlike some NOS shaker units that were sold as over the counter parts by GM. Just do a search on NOS shaker in this site and you'll come across some of the threads.

It is paint ready. I didn't paint it because I knew if I painted it white, somebody would have needed it to be painted blue instead. :-)

Just came from your link page. So it's really a 76 cloned into a 70-71 shaker correct?
Steve

I dont mean to start an argument in semantics but no, it is not cloned onto a 70-72 shaker because it is the same part numbered component.

The fiberglass dome (from a 76 maybe? going by the decal) is the same part number top used from 71-76. The only difference between the fiberglass portion of the shaker tops from 71-76 was the insert that the factory glued into the opening: A flapper in 71 and 72 versus a rivet flange in 73-76. That is why it was used as a donor piece - it is the same correct fiberglass part. I still have the original, very busted up, 72 lid if the buyer wants that, free of charge, too. It has the exact same part number as the refurbushed one, in the exact same spot.

The metal base plates were, of course different ones used in 70-72 with the wing nut studs and 73-76 wth the mounting ring.

Steve is CORRECT on this without question

It's a 76 made to be a 71-2 shaker. Not an original 71-2 shaker repaired to be better then new. Just a 76 shaker repaired to work as a 71-2 shaker. It's a nice job but not an original.

Shaker ..............
 

SHARK TANK?????

Why do we have to do this? :confused: :D

I like it......I'd be very happy with it on MY car.......

Really? If you were restoring your 73 GTO and used NOS "73 GTO" quarter panels that were stamped in 1976 wouldn't that fall into the same category? They have the same 1973 part number.

If this was an NOS fiberglass dome in a box from 1976 would it be different? No. It is the same part number piece. That is why people use them to restore the 71 and 72 shaker units. The unique-to-1971/2 portion is the metal base plate and the flapper door assembly, both of which are on this unit.

I have a near NOS 1973 Formula wheel that the original owner purchased in 1975 and is in its original box dated 1975. Does that make it a 1975 wheel, unacceptable for use on a 1973? I bet there's a lot of people out there that wouldn't mind that incorrect part on their car, judging from the emails I received on it.

I found an NOS Formula hood that I used on the black 455HO Formula that Bentwheelbob now owns. It was made in the late 1970s but had the same part number used from 71 to 75. I guess it was incorrect as well, under your same logic. Sorry Bob, but I need that hood back.

When I sell something, which is a very rare occasion in and of itself, I give full disclosure. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But don't give grief to people just for argument's sake.

And in my continuing effort at full disclosure I added this to the Parts For Sale listing:

"In case anyone is confused by my above-referenced thread, this should help:

From 1971 to 1976, Barnum Fibre Co. Inc., produced the fiberglass dome portions of the shakers, regardless of whether they were the 71/72 style with the flapper door glued in place or the 73-76 style with the rivet plate and frame glued in place. They employed the same molding part number through the entire production run. There is no way to differentiate what year the dome came from since they were not date coded. The only unique-to-71/72 parts were the metal base and the flapper door assembly.

I used a 1976 fiberglass dome section to restore this 1971/2 shaker assembly. (And I am assuming it was 1976 and not 73,74 or 75 based solely on the "400" decal that was in place when I located it, since there are no date codes on these fiberglass domes).

Hope that is of some help, especially to anyone who may need to restore one of these themselves in the future."

Man, the killjoys are trolling the forums these days.....Norwood has spoken and its a good one!

I'm not trying to start a fight, just wanted clarification because I have 2 76's in my attic and if I can sell them for 850 each as 71's I'm all over it. BTW I have a great all original 71 formula 455 for sale. ( check my build page, I took a real nice base model and swapped over a 71 formula vin I got on Internet for 70 bucks)
Get it now?
Steve

If you have the correct 1971-72 baseplate sections, flapper doors, and rivets, by all means go right ahead if you have the skill level to accomplish it. Make sure you post your progress on your thread so we all can critique your competency level and knowledge of part number interchangeability.

Ha, there are more killjoys on the PY forums than you might think. So much so I was warned before I even joined, telling me this place already has a reputation for that, lol.

However I've met a few really good people here as well.

If you guys can get real deal money for a "put together" piece, more power to ya.

Can't we all just get along!!

Fellas, That's why they make vanilla and chocolate ice cream. Everyone has a different opinion on what flavor is the best.

If your not interested in it, then don't buy it.

Some people here need to do a little research and learn a bit more about these cars and the parts that were used. I will post a bit more on this later. Steve is still 100% correct IMHO

Exactly necdb3.

He is 100% correct in what he is explaining, however his original posts are misleading when stating "restored 71-72 shaker" and "Original" and that is where the confusion starts.

These statements lead most everyone to believe this is a born with real deal 71-72 shaker when in fact it's a well done clone or duplicate made from a housing with the same part number. That should be made more clear.

I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't done correctly or that it wouldn't make a nice addition to most any HO car.

I think it's more unfortunate that IFDSteve asked a legit question and people were quick to jump down his throat assuming the worst before knowing his true intentions, which were in fact simply to clearify that this can be done and look correct. This goes back to what I was saying in post #14, you don't have to look any further than this thread to see what I'm talking about.

I would welcome that shaker to either of my 71 TA's if they needed them no matter what year the rivits, paint, or dome were made. One has 1/4 panel skins. I suppose it's no longer a 71 or even a TA. My 71 HO 455 formula will some day have 1/4 panels from an esprit. If I sell it, do I have to call it a clone?

Steve,

Wow, that might look great on the Black Car. Would that be considered "correct" for a 1972 Formula? Maybe a custom paint job, jack it up a little...

If I promised to keep the body side moulding intact, would you offer me a repeat customer discount on the shaker? Maybe free shipping?

I'm sorry, this thread is getting a little too antagonistic. I think everyone is on edge after spending a long "holiday" with their better half and off-spring.

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Dude your an idiot. The legal parameters of what or how much sheet metal can and can't be replaced/changed on a vehicle and still remain legally titled as a certain model has been well established. You can add espirt quarters to a TA and its a TA. If you add 78 TA fenders to a 71 TA it's a bad resto/non correct TA but if you take everything off of a 71 TA and put it on a 71 espirt, it's a clone.
However, just because you take the paint off a 76 shaker and then call it a 71 dosnt make it a 71. It looks like A 71, it works like a 71. But it's a 76. Use it if ya want but it's not a 71.
Otherwise he couldn't have bought it off the Internet for 70 bucks.
Done with conversation and still looking for correct 71.

Steve

^^^^^^^^
your....you're

:)

Feeling the love, but not the grammar in this one.

Peace be with all of you.

Merry Christmas dude, enjoy your car, and don't get as much snow as us.

Don't you dare....

I have one, but how would you know if it were a 71 or 72? I certainly would not want to sell you the wrong year.

Got me on the spelling :)

If you did get that hacksaw out, we'd have to rename you BentwheelPoncherello. And I don't think you could handle that kind of stress.

**** like this is why i'm not on this section much..and dont belong to a corvette forum

Me too. That's why I don't sell things any more here.

Rarely do I sell, but I still buy a bunch if I get here first. ;)

It just isn't worth the effort - I offered a 72 GTO fender extractor a year or two ago in nice original condition with the screen, mounting plate & hardware shipped for $25 and the guy still had a ton of stupid questions & wanted a bunch of pictures. Seriously??? There are times when we would be better off leaving the stuff at the curb for the recycling guy!

What a great idea...here is a local cat deciding whether to stick with his later molded polyethylene litterbox or use this original fiberglass one.

(Just kidding, but this lid does go with the refurbished unit if anyone wants it for posterity sake. It is too crumbled and cracked to be useful)

;-)

Spot on! Some folks are clueless, will leave it at that :(

Will be ordering some rivets from you Norwood.

The really scary part is getting the rivets seated without going too far and fracturing the fiberglass. And you have thirteen chances to get it wrong around the perimeter of the shaker flange.

Steve..maybe i can help on the rivit thing, did you know you can rent a rivit set from Harley Davidson service departments? All of their hard saddle bags are glass on steel supports and they use the same type of rivit. If service needs to replace a lid etc, they dont replace the whold saddle bag, just parts..and if they have to paint a saddle bag for warranty, they remove the rivits to prevent paint peeling around the rivit..i believe you can even buy rivits in natural and black....and you can rent those rivit setters, they have adjustable stroke and depth...no need to be scared...

if you do alot you can buy it.. and rent to your friends for a few bux...

Thanks for the info. We ended up using two steel mandrels, with a convex and one with a concave tip, one of which was used as a stand, mounted in a vise, and gently tapping away. It is not something I recommend for the faint of heart...or the highly caffeinated.

I use a press that sets them by pressure. I have drilled out my share of them and reset them and I've done a few hundred of these rivets. I am going to start an educational thread on 70-72 shakers in the 70-73 section. Look if you care to learn anything, if not just continue to be ignorant. Ignorant isn't an offensive word is it?

If the reason some don't sell on these sites is because others want to know the truth about a part & the selling party doesn't want to be honest about a part their selling because it's not what the part is suppose to be then yes I understand why you would not want to sell on this site. People who can't be honest about the parts there selling are the ones who give a bad name to all those who are trying to sell parts that are correct. If it's a made up part or a CLONED part say what it is be honest about your parts. Don't hide the fact that you tried to give your part the best possible chance of being used by those who are will to use made up parts. My car is not stock so I use what ever I need at that point, not to say my car is not great , but I use parts I want to use . Some want the parts to be 100% for there resto because there willing to pay for the correct part, but trying to fool someone into buying a made up or cloned part just to make yourself some money is just fraud & dishonest. Everyone has heard this ---- just do the right thing. You'll sleep better at night if you have a conscious. The last thing I can say is just remember that what you do today will come back to you 2 fold tomorrow.

Really rexs73gto? Did you see the original ad where the link directly sent you to the page where the restoration took place?

Show me any other seller on this site who has done that? The listing could not have possibly been any more open and descriptive than that.

Have YOU ever shown a step-by-step process on how you repaired something prior to selling it? Obviously not.

And you continue to broadcast your lack of knowledge of these components by belaboring the point concerning the fiberglass portion of the shaker assembly. It is the same part regardless of the date it was molded.

If the world followed your magical guidelines, then any item that was installed on a car that had a production date of any other date other than the exact moment the car was built, would be a "cloned part". That would also mean that our sponsor would be guilty of selling these alleged cloned parts because they are in the business of selling parts for the restoration of our beloved cars.



Then again, the term clone refers to an exact genetic duplicate of something whose end result is indistinguishable from the original. So I guess after all this you were actually trying to compliment my efforts and not denigrate them.

And for that, I thank you.

Don't get what the fuss is all about. The same scoop is used for 71-76. The metal bases are different for some of the years, but the scoop is the same identical part and part #.

steve let it go..anyone that knows you, or sees you on other sites (yes ive seen you around) knows what you are about...no need to keep trying to justify any thing to any one..laff it off...and let it go

Oh, you guys know I enjoy a good debate.

My favorite movie fight scene of all time is the verbal duel between the Dread Pirate Roberts and the Sicilian in Princess Bride.

But there I go, off topic again. :-)

Hmmmm.....this has turned into a "3 pager" and all we're trying to do do is sell a shaker?

It appears that this thread has gone to the PY Bermuda Triangle...unless you've posted,you don't get to see it....

Here's MY favorite...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8

OOPS...thought this was the "plug" in the 70-73 forum...

Disregard the Bermuda Triangle statement....:D

There is TWO going on here....guess the "mods" moved it....

if he had never said when the scoop was made, no one would be talking about this. he didn't take a block and restamp the numbers, what he did was like putting new pistons in his old block. really can't believe this is being argued about.

:popcorn:

Go here and you'll see the whole breakdown confirmed, on what part #s interchanged over the 70-76 time frame:

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The hood on that black car is not new or even a new thought. This hood if I remember correct was first seen on a Formula back in the 70's on a show called C.H.I.P.S. as the cop who was called Ponch bought a Formula from the police auction & it had this hood on the car he bought way back then. In fact this car came up last year & I posted the same thing back then.