70 Ram Air IV GTO on eBay; price too good?
 

Does the buy it now price at $24,500.00 seem too good to be true on this Ram IV 70 GTO?

More details are needed to value it but…

Here is the link

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-GTO-...US_Cars_Trucks

It does but the seller, sweetmuscle, is a pretty well known member here....so...maybe not.

You know what they say, "if it sounds to good to be true"

I have dealt with and bought cars from him in the past, no issues, but I suggest you call him for any questions as he has the car.

Simply do a search here.

Agree I have done a few deals with Sweet and have not had any problems.

A lot of watchers but I'm surprised it wasn't snapped up at that price.

Buy it, pull the motor, drop in some other 400 that's painted up nice and run it through an auction.

You'll be dollars plus a RAIV motor ahead when you're done.

RAM AIR IV JUDGE
 

THE PHS SAYS THE CARS A RAM AIR IV THATS INDISPUTIBLE AFTER SWAPPING THE MOTOR YOUR ONLY HALF WAY THERE NOW DO YA SWAP THE VIN TO?????????:jumping::jumping::sleep::attention

RAM AIR IV CAR
 

BOSS JUST WANDERING WHAT YOU WOULD DO WITH THE VIN AND THE PAPERWORK:jumping::sleep::attention

I think what he's saying is that at such a good price, you could buy it, grab the RAIV motor and still re-sell it at that price, honestly, as a real RAIV Judge with incorrect engine.
In the meanwhile, you'd have a RAIV engine (which probably isn't original to the car anyway) on the stand in your garage.
Pretty good thinking. I'd consider it myself if it was a bit closer.

RAM IV JUDGE
 

WELL THE BUILD SHEET POSTED SAYS ITS A RAM IV GTO NOT A JUDGE BUT THE CAR HAS ALL THE JUDGE STUFF BUT EITHER WAY IF YOU YANK THE DRIVETRAIN LIKE THE BOSS SAYS WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE VIN AND THE PAPERWORK WHO IS REALLY GOING TO DO ALL THAT AND SELL THE CAR WITH THE VIN AND PAPERWORK BOSS THE QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT TO DO WITH THE CAR DO YOU LEAVE THE VIN ON THE CAR BIG DECISION:jumping::sleep::attention

that car was on ebay before, a couple times, a while ago. I thought sold for about 20K.

Sorry, missed the part about it not being a Judge. Not trying to answer for Boss but if I were going to do what he suggested, I'd yank the engine and sell the car as a true RAIV GTO.
Of course, you'd leave the VIN with the car. It would be a documented RAIV GTO with a standard 400 engine in place of the original.

I"m on the hunt for a car myself. I saw this one. Anyone know if it's good or too good to be true? My preference is 68-69, but a nice deal on a 70 is ok too.

RAM IV CAR
 

BUT IT NOW:jumping::sleep::attention:attention

First off, press the 'caps lock' before you type anything else.

The Boss did not imply anything about separating the VIN from the car. He did imply keeping the RAIV engine and selling the car, VIN and all, with a different engine. Nothing illegal or immoral. Just as Greg Reid said.

You guys are CRAZY. What we have here at best is a 70 raiv gto with the wrong motor,probably wrong trans and wrong rear. Wrong interior color too. So we have a cobbled up car for how much????? By the time your done you will have more money in it that's it's worth...why do u think the real players on this board and there's plenty are not buying it. And the seller is questionable at best. I've heard out lots of problem deals but I won't go there..ITS CHRISTMAS time for Christ sake. Anyway. If u like to gamble then go for it. I'd rather buy an all original base motor car that's not whored up myself. Here's Tom with the weather!

Factory built with Verdoro Green and black vinyl top,correct?

1970 GTO Ram Air IV 2dr hardtop.Production: 140(automatics)
Interior: Black 258,not correct acc to pictures?

The PHS shows a nicely optioned car and if most options remains,what´s wrong with the price? Seems that the car was delievered with "poverty-caps"

It may not be to the liking of the "numbers matching crowd" but I have seen a lot worse go for more money. If the car is truly a very nice driver and has most of the RAIV engine components it is well worth it. Color changes are personal preference, and a lot of people could care less about numbers matching, they just want the "look". Most of the cars in BJ auctions are not even close to being "correct" but they bring big money. In fact there seems to be a "trend" of non numbers matching "resto" cars with modifications being more "popular" than a true numbers matching car. I think the price is in "sync" with what the car is.

Mark C

I agree.That car would cost 50.000 dollar in Sweden,easy.And I think the car looks great,way better then Verdoro and a vinyl roof.So buy the car,get in.Put it in the Drive and step on it! Have a cold beer,burn some rubber,listen to that Ram Air V8 and enjoy life!!

CAPS LOCK
 

THANX FOR THE COMPUTER LESSON:jumping::sleep::argue: BUT IVE BEEN DOING IT THIS WAY FOR QUITE SOME TIME I guess I could hit the button that you so rightly pointed out BUT I CHOOSE NOT TO JUST ASKED A QUESTION AND ILL ASK IT AGAIN IF YOU YANK THE MOTOR DO YOU STOP THERE OR KEEP GOING I COULD CARE LESS EITHER WAY ALMOST EVERYBODY ON HERE KNOWS WHAT I THINK OF NUMBERS MATCHING STORIES YOUR BETTER OFF WATCHING A DISNEY MOVIE MORE TRUTH THAN THE NUMBERS MATCHING STORIES I HEAR ALL THE TIME AND THE VERY CAR YOUR SPEAKING OF IS TRUTH OF THAT SO AGAIN WHAT DOES ONE DO AFTER YANKING THE ENGINE ITS A FAIR QUESTION

TOM JOLLS WITH THE WEATHER
 

MY FORECAST FOR TONITE IS IN THE NORTHEAST IT WILL REMAIN COLD BUT WE WILL SEE A CHANCE OF 1970 RAM AIR IV CARS MIXED IN WITH FLURRIES AND BY THE LOOKS OF DOPLER RADAR MOST OF THE RAM IV CARS WILL BE GREEN IN THE MIDWEST VERY COLD WITH A CHANCE OF RAIN ITS RAINING JUDGE CONVERTIBLES SO BE ADVISED IN THE SOUTHWEST MY FAVOURITE PART OF THE COUNTRY NOT ONLY DO WE FINALLY HAVE SOME RAIN IN THE FORECAST BUT WERE CALLING FOR 90 PERCENT CHANCE OF RAINING RUST FREE ORIGINAL PAINT RAM AIR IV CRYSTAL TURQUOISE FIRBIRDS CONVERTIBLES ON SATURDAY AND COUPES ON SUNDAY SO GET YOUR RAINCOATS AND SPARE KEYS AND YOU TO COULD BE IN MY FORECAST NOW BACK TO YOU HOBI:jumping::sleep::argue::attention

with this said in the add:

"This car may have had an air conditioning modification at some point.

It does have an AC hole on the firewall."

maybe it's a rebody? no picture of the firewall. sure, it could have been modified easy enough.

Joe, the tag work gets left to the METALFINISHER, I'd just yank the motor and sell it as a Judge clone with a RA IV PHS. I'm sure somebody at Mecum or BJ would pay 25k for that.

JUDGE CLONE
 

HEY CHRIS LETS GO PARTNERS AND TAKE IT TO THE BIG SHOW AT BARRETT AND ILL BRING SOME METALFINISHER T-SHIRTS FOR YOU AND ME TO WEAR TO REPRESENT THE CAR AND WE CAN MAKE SOME MONEY HELL WE MIGHT EVEN GET A REALITY SHOW FLIPPIN CARS WITH THE BOSS AND THE METALFINISHER HOWS THAT:jumping::focus::attention

How come your name is hobi with small letters and you write in CAPPS?

WWFT what would Frank think?

CAPS
 

OK THATS IT I HEARD FOR THE LAST TIME ABOUT CAPS IM TAKING A COMPUTER LESSON THIS WEEK:jumping::sleep::focus::old::argue::attention

Excellent post.....

Was this the same one being sold in JAN 13 for $23,500 and questions about the firewall / a/c/ more...went to $19xxx and didnt sell?

Someone said the firewall pic was "cropped" (no firewall) on first sale if same car.....I don't know about that...any new pics added?

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...light=firewall

Herein lies the rub....It depends on your definition of done. If you like the car just the way it is, I don't think the price is too far out of line.

Taking it for what it is. as the seller describes it as a driver, and a rust free California car, I would buy this car if I was in the market for another toy. I love the fact that is rust free, and that I can beat on the Ram IV to my hearts delight without worrying about a huge decrease in value. Im either missing something on this car, or the market is weak weak weak.

with all caps and no punctuation, your post are hard to read, so sadly a lot of people will just skip over them. could be the reason you don't get many answers.

Typing all caps means you are shouting....

Lesson over....

Don

The A/C firewall scares me....

yes, that's the same car.

I'm thinking along the lines of Greg. get in it and drive as is, as long as it wasn't a rebody.

CAPS
 

YOU ANSWERED THANKS REGARDS HOBI:jumping::sleep::jumping::sleep::attention

REBODY
 

DO REBODIES DRIVE DIFFERENT THAN ORIGINAL BODIES:jumping::sleep::jumping::sleep::argue:

NOPE, BUT THEY COST LESS :p ;)

REBODIES COST
 

NOT ALL THE TIME DEPENDS WHOS SELLING AND WHOS BUYING:jumping::sleep::jumping::sleep::old:

SO TRUE :cool2:

Relisted at $23,000 BIN. Sure looks like a nice car to me from the photos and it seems very reasonably priced. Alternatively, you could pay 30K for a numbers matching car, spend 25-50K or more on a restoration, depending on whether you do work yourself or farm it out, and end up losing 15 - 30K when you sell it. That is a nicely optioned car.

But what if you buy it and it is a rebody. Then what do you have. How do you market it with the wrong firewall.

This car may have had an air conditioning modification at some point.

It does have an AC hole on the firewall. quote from ad.

this is what I don't really understand. does this mean it has had a factory A/C in it, or one of the aftermarket A/C kits? there are several aftermarket kits, vintage air is one that comes to mind. while I wouldn't like the hole, it could be welded back up, if it is one of the aftermarket ones it would make sense. he needs to if he would clear this up, it might sell in a few days,

No A/C on the Ram Air IV cars from factory.I say mod for aftermarket stuff.

either a mod or some people are afraid of a re-body. I have dealt with him before and everything was the way he said, so I give him the benefit of the doubt. wish I was closer, I would love to have it, but would want to look first.

He should show a pic of the A/C hole. If it was one of those early 70's add on A/C's the hole would be different than a factory A/C hole.

I dont like the factory ac opening in an non ac car.
Otherwise I d be really interested, but this is a red flag to me.
Looks good enough though, but the ac thing scares me.

Correct me if I am wrong- But if the AC hole is exposed, that might mean the cover is off- which is where the VIN would be? (located under the cover). That's where mine was.

Is this the picture of the AC hole (obviously an aftermarket AC) if it is a photo of the area in question?
http://i.ebayimg.com/t/1970-PONTIAC-...9Ss6eV/$_3.JPG

The seller also lists 2 phone numbers for questions. If I were interested, I'd pick up the phone and call him.

The issue is not just a matter of the hole being exposed....It's the fact that there is an A/C hole on a car that isn't supposed to have come from the factory equipped with A/C.
To quote the seller -
The question to be asked is... Factory hole? Sawzall hole? Just what kind of hole? The fact that he used the word 'modification' tends to indicate something other than the factory hole.