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David Jones 01-22-2014 09:50 AM

Incandescent Bulb............
 
I had a sewer drain pipe issue that caused me to have to uncover a section of my foundation on Monday. In that section of foundation was my water supply line to the house. It will be at least Sunday before I can get the pipe reburied and right now we are experiencing some of the coldest weather we ever see down here in Alabama. On Monday when I did my digging it was a balmy 65 degrees. Chamber of Commerce type day. This morning it dropped to 15 and Friday morning they are discussing single digits. Yesterday afternoon the plan was to build a fabric tent over the water pipe and stick a shop light with a 60 watt bulb under it to keep the water happy...just let the bulb burn until it either warmed up or I could get the pipe back underground. I get home last night and get one of my shop lights out....it has a CFL in it. hmmmm. So I go to my stash of extra light bulbs and each and every one of them was a CFL. HMMMMM. I go upstairs and everything is a compact fluorescent. Finally, in an old lamp in the basement I found a 60 watt incandescent bulb.

It worked.

Old school baby.

Heat.

PMD1969 01-22-2014 10:03 AM

As of Jan 1st 2014 you can no longer purchase 100 watt bulbs at retail locations per your friendly EPA and government. Signed back in 07'. 60's and 40' will be gone by 2016 ending the 100 year love affair with the trusty incandescent light bulb.

Thank a "greenie" by punching it in the jewels.

Alvin 01-22-2014 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by David Jones (Post 5114371)
I had a sewer drain pipe issue that caused me to have to uncover a section of my foundation on Monday. In that section of foundation was my water supply line to the house. It will be at least Sunday before I can get the pipe reburied and right now we are experiencing some of the coldest weather we ever see down here in Alabama. On Monday when I did my digging it was a balmy 65 degrees. Chamber of Commerce type day. This morning it dropped to 15 and Friday morning they are discussing single digits. Yesterday afternoon the plan was to build a fabric tent over the water pipe and stick a shop light with a 60 watt bulb under it to keep the water happy...just let the bulb burn until it either warmed up or I could get the pipe back underground. I get home last night and get one of my shop lights out....it has a CFL in it. hmmmm. So I go to my stash of extra light bulbs and each and every one of them was a CFL. HMMMMM. I go upstairs and everything is a compact fluorescent. Finally, in an old lamp in the basement I found a 60 watt incandescent bulb.

It worked.

Old school baby.

Heat.

Congrats on that old school tech working for you.

Idea: Knowing you're still in the healing recovery mode, weather roller coaster, etc. if you can't get it covered you might get a "Heat Tape" from an RV or Home supply co.
Not certain if used in your area - in case you don't know heat tapes are: often used on pipes under RVs & Mfg Homes to prevent freezing. Simple plug into same extension cord you are using now for the Heat Tape.

Similar to "Block Heaters" for vehicles.

The Boss 01-22-2014 10:28 AM

Next time grab a bail of hay and a piece of plastic. Break open the bail of hay and sprinkle it liberally in your hole, cover the hole with plastic and put rocks on the plastic to hold it in place. Will work a whole lot better than a bulb.

David Jones 01-22-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Boss (Post 5114398)
Next time grab a bail of hay and a piece of plastic. Break open the bail of hay and sprinkle it liberally in your hole, cover the hole with plastic and put rocks on the plastic to hold it in place. Will work a whole lot better than a bulb.


Sounds great Chris. :rolleyes:

I had the shop light, bulb and 2 old sheets. I will confess to using a clump of dirt and a piece of rotten limb as ballast to hold the folded sheets in place and an extension cord to transfer electricity to the bulb.

Not much call for a bale of hay on my 1/3 of an acre here in Pleasant Grove..... ;)

GoatDr 01-22-2014 11:44 AM

You can still buy any incandescent bulb wattage, if it is a "rough service bulb". Loophole.

Region Warrior 01-22-2014 12:15 PM

Incan's are not allowed by OSHA to be used in licensed auto shops.
Can they be used in non-auto shops?

David Jones 01-22-2014 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Region Warrior (Post 5114476)
Incan's are not allowed by OSHA to be used in licensed auto shops.
Can they be used in non-auto shops?

They work GREAT in a 20" wide, 5 foot deep trench.

T A 70 01-22-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by David Jones (Post 5114371)
I had a sewer drain pipe issue that caused me to have to uncover a section of my foundation on Monday. In that section of foundation was my water supply line to the house. It will be at least Sunday before I can get the pipe reburied and right now we are experiencing some of the coldest weather we ever see down here in Alabama. On Monday when I did my digging it was a balmy 65 degrees. Chamber of Commerce type day. This morning it dropped to 15 and Friday morning they are discussing single digits. Yesterday afternoon the plan was to build a fabric tent over the water pipe and stick a shop light with a 60 watt bulb under it to keep the water happy...just let the bulb burn until it either warmed up or I could get the pipe back underground. I get home last night and get one of my shop lights out....it has a CFL in it. hmmmm. So I go to my stash of extra light bulbs and each and every one of them was a CFL. HMMMMM. I go upstairs and everything is a compact fluorescent. Finally, in an old lamp in the basement I found a 60 watt incandescent bulb.

It worked.

Old school baby.

Heat.

That's what I use in my safes to keep my bills dry. 40 watts of heat 'round the clock.

johnsma22 01-22-2014 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PMD1969 (Post 5114381)
As of Jan 1st 2014 you can no longer purchase 100 watt bulbs at retail locations per your friendly EPA and government. Signed back in 07'. 60's and 40' will be gone by 2016 ending the 100 year love affair with the trusty incandescent light bulb.

Thank a "greenie" by punching it in the jewels.

Just slightly incorrect. The 100 and 75 watt bulbs have been banned since last year. Jan 1 2014 marked the end of the 40 and 60 watt bulbs. Get them while you still can. Home Depot has stated that they have enough stock to last about 6 more months, then they're gone!

Since the bill to eliminate them was signed in 2007 I've been hording bulbs of all wattage's. I've got literally thousands of bulbs sitting on pallets in my basement. Black market, eBay lightbulb business here I come!

David brings up a great point regarding incandescent lightbulbs. That is, 80% of the energy they use is given up as heat. While at first this seems like a waste of energy, just know that the lack of this heat in someone's home during the winter months will have to be made up by the central heating system.

The Champ 01-22-2014 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by johnsma22 (Post 5114579)
David brings up a great point regarding incandescent lightbulbs. That is, 80% of the energy they use is given up as heat. While at first this seems like a waste of energy, just know that the lack of this heat in someone's home during the winter months will have to be made up by the central heating system.

On the other hand, in the warm months when you run your AC, you are paying extra to cool down the heat from the incandescent bulbs.

My daughter is a lighting consultant for one of the larger lighting dealers in Madison, WI. In the "old" days of all incandescent lighting - that showroom was almost unbearable on a hot day. The AC system was running overtime and couldn't keep up with the heat produced by an entire showroom with the lights on.

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Back to the "preventing pipes from freezing" topic.... Two inch thick styrofoam insulation would work better than hay - and for most people is more readily available (any Lowes, Home Depot, etc). You could use a can of spray foam insulation to seal the edges if there were any significant gaps.

PMD1969 01-22-2014 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by johnsma22 (Post 5114579)
Just slightly incorrect. The 100 and 75 watt bulbs have been banned since last year. Jan 1 2014 marked the end of the 40 and 60 watt bulbs. Get them while you still can. Home Depot has stated that they have enough stock to last about 6 more months, then they're gone!

Since the bill to eliminate them was signed in 2007 I've been hording bulbs of all wattage's. I've got literally thousands of bulbs sitting on pallets in my basement. Black market, eBay lightbulb business here I come!

David brings up a great point regarding incandescent lightbulbs. That is, 80% of the energy they use is given up as heat. While at first this seems like a waste of energy, just know that the lack of this heat in someone's home during the winter months will have to be made up by the central heating system.

Trade you some 30 round AR15 mags for some bulbs :D

David Jones 01-22-2014 07:23 PM

Great. Now there is a black market for light bulbs....

GT182 01-22-2014 08:27 PM

David, up in the cold weather of Northern NY we lived in a house trailer. The pump for the well was in a 4 foot deep pit with an insulated cover... half of it under the trailer and half out in the cold. Mind you we got temps in the winter that would make you think we lived in Alaska... above the Circle. LOL To keep the water from freezing up in the tank, the pump, and lines, Dad put a 60 watt bulb in a work light in the pit. It kept everything warm enough so none of it froze up.... except when the bulb burnt out. Heating tapes would last a week or so and crap out, That was the reason for the 60 watt bulb coming into play. And it worked. Yer lucky you found one. ;)

By the same token, if your furnace goes out. Several lamps with 100 watt bulbs will heat a room so you can stay warm.. not by much but it helps.

David Jones 01-22-2014 08:33 PM

Great story Gary.
All through my 55 years I've seen bulbs used to heat/warm various things.
Easy Bake Ovens simply won't work with an LED bulb.
A chapter is ending....

PonchoV8 01-22-2014 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by David Jones (Post 5114810)
Great. Now there is a black market for light bulbs....

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johnsma22 01-23-2014 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The Champ (Post 5114788)
On the other hand, in the warm months when you run your AC, you are paying extra to cool down the heat from the incandescent bulbs.

Except for the fact that during the warmer months it's light out into early evening, not requiring the extensive use of interior lighting.

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Originally Posted by PMD1969 (Post 5114791)
Trade you some 30 round AR15 mags for some bulbs :D

Man, if I didn't live in this crapfest of a masshole state with a 10 round magazine limit, I'd take you up on that! I just picked up a SW MP 15 .22LR and the factory 10 round mags are no place to be found on the planet earth!!!

The Champ 01-23-2014 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by johnsma22 (Post 5115066)
Except for the fact that during the warmer months it's light out into early evening, not requiring the extensive use of interior lighting.

You haven't met my wife.

It's automatic for her to turn the lights on when she walks into a room...;)

David Jones 01-23-2014 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Champ (Post 5115172)
You haven't met my wife.

It's automatic for her to turn the lights on when she walks into a room...;)

Same here. Jeez.
My wife will flip on the TV in the kitchen, along with both sets of lights, stay a few minutes doing something and then walk out of the room leaving everything on. I'll say something about it and she'll go "oh".

PMD1969 01-23-2014 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by David Jones (Post 5115205)
Same here. Jeez.
My wife will flip on the TV in the kitchen, along with both sets of lights, stay a few minutes doing something and then walk out of the room leaving everything on. I'll say something about it and she'll go "oh".

There is a fix for this to some degree. Similar problem here in small rooms such as closets, pantry, laundry room, etc. I removed the standard switches and installed a motion detector with an internal timer. When she walks in the motion detector picks up the movement and turns on the light. Each room has the timer set for the amount of time that "I" :D determined it should be on. Then it automatically shuts off sans wasting any electricity.

Problem is that CFL's will work for a little while until the ballast burns out due to the circuitry. I have stashed away enough incandescents until new tech comes along to keep the systems going. Some of the bulbs are 7 years old and have never been replaced.

I have earned big points by making "magic" happen and her life a little more hands free. :cool:

hurryinhoosier62 01-23-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by David Jones (Post 5115205)
Same here. Jeez.
My wife will flip on the TV in the kitchen, along with both sets of lights, stay a few minutes doing something and then walk out of the room leaving everything on. I'll say something about it and she'll go "oh".


Don't ALL wives do that, along with leaving all the cabinet doors open?

PMD1969 01-23-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62 (Post 5115379)
Don't ALL wives do that, along with leaving all the cabinet doors open?

I've read stories where guys have removed all of the cabinet doors and put them in the attic when they do that. Like training a child.

PMD1969 01-23-2014 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by johnsma22 (Post 5115066)
Except for the fact that during the warmer months it's light out into early evening, not requiring the extensive use of interior lighting.



Man, if I didn't live in this crapfest of a masshole state with a 10 round magazine limit, I'd take you up on that! I just picked up a SW MP 15 .22LR and the factory 10 round mags are no place to be found on the planet earth!!!

Come on down to a free state and we'll go blastin' :D

Alvin 01-23-2014 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PMD1969 (Post 5115275)
I have earned big points by making "magic" happen and her life a little more hands free. :cool:

Congrats on turning it into a positive presentation for your Mrs. Your same situtuation which could be a big negative and contention, difference is your positive spin, equaling domestic harmony. Excellent.

madokie 01-23-2014 02:06 PM

heat
 
the new style FL" bulbs" DO put out heat ,all from the base, bulb burns cool.i use the FL in all my drop lights, they dont fail like the old IC do.if you want old IC bulbs talk to junk and scrap haulers ,we get plenty of them.

David Jones 01-23-2014 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62 (Post 5115379)
Don't ALL wives do that, along with leaving all the cabinet doors open?

OMG. Mine will open a cabinet door/drawer and leave it and look at me like I had 3 eyes if I question the need to have it open while she is 25 feet away doing something else. Have you ever run into an open drawer?

David Jones 01-23-2014 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by madokie (Post 5115465)
the new style FL" bulbs" DO put out heat ,all from the base, bulb burns cool.i use the FL in all my drop lights, they dont fail like the old IC do.if you want old IC bulbs talk to junk and scrap haulers ,we get plenty of them.

CFL's don't put out nearly the amount of heat the incandescents do. I run some LED bulbs at the store and in my trade show booth and they get warm too......just not as warm as the incandescents do.

hurryinhoosier62 01-23-2014 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by David Jones (Post 5115468)
OMG. Mine will open a cabinet door/drawer and leave it and look at me like I had 3 eyes if I question the need to have it open while she is 25 feet away doing something else. Have you ever run into an open drawer?

Sure have, David. At my height, the drawer usually hit in a VERY sensitive area.

Kurt Zimmerman 01-23-2014 07:35 PM

You will still be able to buy 60w yellow 'bug' bulbs, and 150w and 200w incandescents are still available. Three way bulbs also. They are just two-filament bulbs. screwed into a regular bulb socket, you will get the lower filament. So a 50-100-150 three way bulb will give you 50w. You may have to go to a good hardware store to get these 'specialty' bulbs, but they can still be purchased.

Kurt

Old Blue 66 01-23-2014 07:54 PM

If I get around to it, Ill post a pic of my Incandescent stash. I might be able to open up a store!

The Champ 01-24-2014 08:57 AM

Anyone want to by my incandescents? I've got plenty that I'll never use...

PMD1969 01-24-2014 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kurt Zimmerman (Post 5115739)
You will still be able to buy 60w yellow 'bug' bulbs, and 150w and 200w incandescents are still available. Three way bulbs also. They are just two-filament bulbs. screwed into a regular bulb socket, you will get the lower filament. So a 50-100-150 three way bulb will give you 50w. You may have to go to a good hardware store to get these 'specialty' bulbs, but they can still be purchased.

Kurt

200Watt bulbs are $8 each :eek: and WallyWorld doubled their prices on incan bulbs here.

Old Blue 66 01-24-2014 10:53 AM

Menards has a good supply.I picked up a few boxes of 60s both clear and frosted 10 packs for $4 each

Region Warrior 01-24-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by johnsma22 (Post 5114579)

David brings up a great point regarding incandescent lightbulbs. That is, 80% of the energy they use is given up as heat. While at first this seems like a waste of energy, just know that the lack of this heat in someone's home during the winter months will have to be made up by the central heating system.

Since NG is cheaper vs electric here, rather my HE furnace do the heating.

The Champ 01-25-2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Region Warrior (Post 5116285)
Since NG is cheaper vs electric here, rather my HE furnace do the heating.

Bingo...:D

Kurt Zimmerman 01-25-2014 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PMD1969 (Post 5116219)
200Watt bulbs are $8 each :eek: and WallyWorld doubled their prices on incan bulbs here.

They are $4.59 at your neighborhood hardware store. If they are getting $8.00, they consider it a 'blind' item, and are raping you. :eek:

Kurt

PMD1969 01-25-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurt Zimmerman (Post 5117128)
They are $4.59 at your neighborhood hardware store. If they are getting $8.00, they consider it a 'blind' item, and are raping you. :eek:

Kurt

Yup. Wally has drastically raised their prices when looking at certain products. Ironically I stopped one corner over at a Lowes and found everything cheaper. Bought a cart load of 100watt clear halogens for $3.50 or so and they are so-called double life. Now I'm good for a while ;)

Kurt Zimmerman 01-26-2014 10:25 AM

The Wal-mart near us raises their milk prices .50 a gallon every weekend, then lowers it back down on Monday.

Just grabbin' a little extra profit...

Kurt

Deadhead 01-26-2014 01:47 PM

All the motion lights are going to be useless with the new compact FL. I have noticed that the prices on exterior floods has gone through the roof at Lowe's if they have any on the shelves. $10 for the individual ones here. I guess everyone will just buy the $26 LED?

All the people with dimmers putting in said CFL are also screwed. I know some are compatible, but your average consumer is not capable or willing to take the time to sort it all out at the store. This was one of the most bone-headed legislative moves ever. I have many customers who are in their mid 70s and older. They simply can not see well enough with the crappy light from CFL or LED. The light produced is too diffuse, and in many instances it is dangerous for them to have reduced vision in areas like kitchen and bath.

I love how all the Pkgs say that the 60 watt incand. is the new 100w incand. Like saying that makes it true.

Old Blue 66 01-26-2014 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PMD1969 (Post 5117134)
Yup. Wally has drastically raised their prices when looking at certain products. Ironically I stopped one corner over at a Lowes and found everything cheaper. Bought a cart load of 100watt clear halogens for $3.50 or so and they are so-called double life. Now I'm good for a while ;)

We use the halogen in the living room in three lamps. They give off great light but they don't last for crap. I replace one a month.


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