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Calling All 72 WW5 GTO's - Special Performance Option
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Please add your WW5 equipped car to this list of known examples.
With the help of many forum members we have compiled a listing of documented remaining cars. Please share your documentation to be considered bonafide in this day and age. We do not have to have the whole VIN if you wish to keep the last few digits private. For the new folks, here is a list of what the WW5 option included - in addition to this list, 15" Raised White Letter Tires were included. I think they were part of the 724/Y99 Handling package. Y99 was a pretty stout option on its own. http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1435897284 These WW5 cars came standard with 15" steel wheels and poverty caps unless Rally2 or HCombs were ordered. Most of these did get optional wheels. The WW5 option price indicates whether the car was 4 speed or Automatic. The option price, along with all other option prices and base price, were reduced after 12/11/71 . Feel free to share your contributions and experience. All factoids welcome. |
We have 20 of these documented so far.
13 - Automatics 7 - 4 speeds Some current factoids on the total - 4 - Auto's with Bench Seat & Column Shift 7 - Auto's with AC 4 - 4 speeds with AC 6 - cars with Stripes All of these examples are Hardtops Coupe / Post was also available with WW5 290 WW5 GTO's total Please contact Lloyd, The Boss, PB, Mmarx, or myself - by Private Message - if you do not know how to post your documents. You can email them to one of us. Any cars Without Documentation will be added to a tentative list on stand-by, maybe. $1012 Early Automatics 09/16/71 - VIN P?xxxx? = Invoice # 078327 = Flint, MI Sundance Orange / Saddle Buckets / Black Vinyl Top / AC / Cruise Ctrl. AC Spark Plug Car , Acct # 60-206 09/24/71 - = VIN P109xxx = Inv# 096534 = Du Quoin, IL Silver / Black Bench & Column Shift / Black Vinyl Top / AC 10/04/71 - VIN P114xxx = Inv# 116759 = Skokie, IL Lucerne Blue / Ivory Bench & Column Shift / Stripes 11/23/71 - VIN ?xxxx? = Inv# ?xxxxx? = Sedalia, MO Shadow Gold / Saddle Buckets $1006 Early 4 speeds 11/19/71 - VIN A130xxx = Inv# 233415 = Franklin, TN Red / Black Buckets / Stripes / AC 11/20/71 - VIN P129xxx = Inv# 234050 = South Orange, NJ Sundance Orange / Ivory Buckets / Stripes / AC Special MEMO Invoice $987 Later Automatics 12/13/71 - VIN P1xxxxx = Inv# 281914 = Penns Grove, NJ Red / Black Buckets / AC 01/05/72 - VIN A143xxx = Inv# 315943 = Clark, TN WildGreen / Green Bench & Column Shift / Black Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC Extreme Option Content - 2nd Highest MSRP , so far 01/07/72 - VIN Z104xxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Van Nuys, CA Sundance Orange / Black Buckets / AC GMAD Company Car , Acct# 60-662 03/08/72 - VIN P166xxx = Inv# 465973 = Vermillion, OH Sundance Orange / Saddle Buckets / Black Vinyl Top ? / ? / ? - VIN P168xxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Bellevue, WA Gold / Bench Seat & Column Shift (only have the Window Sticker Doc.) 03/14/72 - VIN A171xxx = Inv# 480131 = Atlanta, GA Anaconda Gold / Saddle Buckets / Black Vinyl Top / AC ? / ? / ? - VIN A178xxx = Inv# 528623 = ?? , ?? ( only have upper 3/4 portion of Invoice ) Red / Ivory Buckets (AM radio, Console, Custom Trim,.. thats it.) Lowest Option WW5 known , so far 04/25/72 - VIN ?xxxx? = Inv# 574390 = Smyrna, DE Red / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top 06/06/72 - VIN A210xxx = Inv# 668110 = Austin , TX ( Extreme Option Content ) Monarch Yellow / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC / Cruise Control Extreme Option Content - Highest MSRP , so far $982 Later 4 speeds 01/13/72 - VIN P146xxx = Inv# 336326 = Faribault, MN Lucerne Blue / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top 04/03/72 - VIN ?xxxx? = Inv# ?xxxx? = La Crescenta, CA Adriatic Blue / Ivory Buckets / AC 04/27/72 - VIN A193xxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Gaithersburg, MD Quezal Gold / Saddle Buckets (Only have the buld sheet and trim tag data) 06/12/72 - VIN P203xxx = Inv# 682341 = Corvallis, OR Sundance Orange / Saddle Buckets 9/22/72 - VIN P142xxx = Inv# 740155 = Paramus, NJ Red / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC Built Dec 71 - Sold Sept 72 - no facts about what caused time lapse. $5500 car, special ordered with Shoulder Belts Delete. |
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Todd, the story on the Red car was that it was built for export with the seat belts deleted, did not ship/sell for whatever reason and then bounced around through several dealerships before finally going to Cerami Pontiac in NJ.
That was according to Jim Mattison, however I only got the one PHS for it. The car only had 5X,000? original miles on it when I got it in 93 I think and was original paint, but I ended up painting it shortly after I got it. It was street raced locally by two well cared for sons of the local oil company owner, now in Long Island and is being treated to a frame off restoration it didn't need. |
That sounds like the best hypothesis of any on the Red/Ivory/White 4 speed car Boss. Thanks for posting the info !
The shoulder seatbelt delete deal is peculiar , and they were probably US Govt mandated by that point in time. Export Order is a really good conclusion. The few 72 PMD Plant Buildsheets I have seen would not even give any further clues like an Atlanta or Fremont Buildsheet might spell out. Beautiful Car . They'll probably get the right trans and console back in it during the resto ! |
If you guys could keep your eyes peeled for these cars on eBay and Craigslist that would be really great.
That's where a good percentage of these have come from in the past. Grab a copy of their Invoice or any Documents you can. My internet service is too slow to do much of any leisure hunting/searching these days. When Lloyd and I swap out our documents and he has a copy of all 20 cars he might do one of his further breakdowns for you guys on all the cars. What I posted is just a preliminary to get it off the ground and running again. Always thankful for any help or info . |
It was shoulder & lap belt delete.
The correct M22 trans & WM block were sold with the car. |
Hey todd - you've got mail.
Talk to you next week, my friend. Happy and safe Independence Day to all here . . . |
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It will be a pleasure to do another of those option/price/equipment breakdowns in the near future. |
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Totally illegal to have sold new in USA in 1972 ! lol Unwanted overpriced bastard outlaw 4spd GTO Love It ! Quote:
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On a lighter note -
72 WW5 Hardtop 4spd Without AC Gross Weight = Frt - 2560 / Rr - 2620 = 5180 pounds GVW 72 WW5 Hardtop Automatic With AC Gross Weight = Frt - 2660 / Rr - 2630 = 5290 pounds GVW 72 Lemans Wagon with Endura , AC , 350cid , 350 auto trans Gross Weight = Frt - 2600 / Rr - 3240 = 5840 pounds GVW at least , they are lighter than a station wagon |
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Also, can likely provide information on a known WW5 with build sheet information/VIN later in month. I looked at this car with a friend who was looking to purchase about 10 years ago as part of a 3 car collection. WW5 car was either Adriatic or Lucerne Blue with a White vinyl top and parchment interior. I saw the original build sheet still under the carpet (We peeled carpet back to show it resting there - was not removed). I crawled all over that car for hours. I think I have pictures...will need to look. Can get details from friend who I know has the information. Car was sold "out from under him" - he was extremely displeased. the 1970 pepper Green 4-spd 455 HO car also sold in same deal to other buyer who swooped in. :( My friend did end up with the 3rd car - 1971 LeMans Sport driver with T41 front end |
Glad you remembered the difference on the GVW.
Wondered how the rear weight could be so close to the front like that. Seemed awful porky too ! That data was from their respective buildsheets. btw Is 3619 for an Endura 455 GTO - Auto ? - AC ? Or a base tempest 6cyl 3spd ? Sorry to hear your friend lost out on those 2 cars like that. Will be great if you can source any documents/data . |
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This is for 1971. I suspect 1972 should be similar.
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I have one to put on stand by. Guy I know has a Lucy blue, white interior, WW5, 36,000 miles, rally II's, non AC, don't remember what other options it has. His ex wife's uncle bought it new, now he has it. I saw the phs about 6-8 years ago, he has the car in storage, very nice car. If I get a chance to talk to him I will see if he will let me document it.
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1972 455 ho sundance orange WW5
project car lots of options going on ebay soon |
which tranny?
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What color interior and top color?
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Which ever color top & interior, makes 3, possibly 4 Sundance WW5 auto's with AC, built fairly early (09b,09C) that now have info on. |
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ivory interior 721 buckets console 8 track white vinyl top body side mouldings (I would think that's gotta be rare) Am radio, rally 2's, door edge guards, soft ray glass all, custom trim, dual horns, custom belts, wheel moulding, a/c , lamp ashtray, gto option and WW5.
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The first 455 HO YB engine 65 A, trim 721 (messed that one up) GTO I have noted is: -08D body build out of Pontiac plant. GTO, YB engine, console, AC, pwr strg, disc, fat Form wheel, big rear bar. IF its not a WW5 build, its another that got all the goodies. need to send off for PHS to note what I missed. Indiangiver68, can you post a pic of your '72's trim tag? Thanks. Have noted another Lakewood plant 65 A 721 trim build that is near identically equipped 455 HO auto, also a A105xxx build. Along with the AC Spark Plug Division car, all very similar, |
IndianGiver 68 , thanks for letting us know about your car and sharing the Invoice with us for this Registry.
Yours is the earliest example , so far. Also added the MSRP prices for each car to the listings. $1012 Early Automatics 09/15/71 - VIN A105xxx = Invoice # 074151 = Fort Arthur, TX Sundance Orange / Ivory Buckets / White Top / AC *Earliest example , so far $5587 09/16/71 - VIN P?xxxx? = Invoice # 078327 = Flint, MI Sundance Orange / Saddle Buckets / Black Vinyl Top / AC / Cruise Ctrl. *AC Spark Plug Car , Acct # 60-206 $5590 09/24/71 - = VIN P109xxx = Inv# 096534 = Du Quoin, IL Silver / Black Bench & Column Shift / Black Vinyl Top / AC $5533 10/04/71 - VIN P114xxx = Inv# 116759 = Skokie, IL Lucerne Blue / Ivory Bench & Column Shift / Stripes *This car would be the "Low Price Leader" if it had been Invoiced later using the later price reductions. $4624 11/23/71 - VIN ?xxxx? = Inv# ?xxxxx? = Sedalia, MO Shadow Gold / Saddle Buckets $5332 $1006 Early 4 speeds 11/19/71 - VIN A130xxx = Inv# 233415 = Franklin, TN Red / Black Buckets / Stripes / AC $5467 11/20/71 - VIN P129xxx = Inv# 234050 = South Orange, NJ Sundance Orange / Ivory Buckets / Stripes / AC *Special MEMO Invoice $5308 $987 Later Automatics 12/13/71 - VIN P1xxxxx = Inv# 281914 = Penns Grove, NJ Red / Black Buckets / AC $5338 01/05/72 - VIN A143xxx = Inv# 315943 = Clark, TN WildGreen / Green Bench & Column Shift / Black Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC *Extreme Option Content - 2nd Highest MSRP , so far $5785 01/07/72 - VIN Z104xxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Van Nuys, CA Sundance Orange / Black Buckets / AC *GMAD Company Car , Acct# 60-662 *Double Charged for LS5 455HO on initial Dealer Shipping Record $5430 (not including $134 overcharge for 455HO "option") 03/08/72 - VIN P166xxx = Inv# 465973 = Vermillion, OH Sundance Orange / Saddle Buckets / Black Vinyl Top $4996 ? / ? / ? - VIN P168xxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Bellevue, WA Gold / Bench Seat & Column Shift (only have the Window Sticker Doc.) $4672 03/14/72 - VIN A171xxx = Inv# 480131 = Atlanta, GA Anaconda Gold / Saddle Buckets / Black Vinyl Top / AC $5431 ? / ? / ? - VIN A178xxx = Inv# 528623 = ?? , ?? ( only have upper 3/4 portion of Invoice ) Red / Ivory Buckets (AM radio, Console, Custom Trim,.. thats it.) *Lowest Option and Lowest Cost WW5 known , so far $4569 04/25/72 - VIN ?xxxx? = Inv# 574390 = Smyrna, DE Red / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top $48x5 06/06/72 - VIN A210xxx = Inv# 668110 = Austin , TX Monarch Yellow / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC / Cruise Control *Extreme Option Content - Highest MSRP , so far $6043 $982 Later 4 speeds 01/13/72 - VIN P146xxx = Inv# 336326 = Faribault, MN Lucerne Blue / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top $4843 04/03/72 - VIN ?xxxx? = Inv# ?xxxx? = La Crescenta, CA Adriatic Blue / Ivory Buckets / AC $5445 04/27/72 - VIN A193xxx = Inv# ?xxxx? = Gaithersburg, MD Quezal Gold / Saddle Buckets (Only have the buld sheet and trim tag data) $ 4967 +/- = itemized using option data from Bsheet 06/12/72 - VIN P203xxx = Inv# 682341 = Corvallis, OR Sundance Orange / Saddle Buckets $4759 9/22/72 - VIN P142xxx = Inv# 740155 = Paramus, NJ Red / Ivory Buckets / White Vinyl Top / Stripes / AC Built Dec 71 - Sold Sept 72 *Car initially special ordered for EXPORT with ALL Seat Belts Delete *Eventually found a buyer in NJ - Built Dec 71 , Sold Sept 72 $5504 14 - Automatics 7 - 4 speeds 4 - Auto's with Bench Seat & Column Shift 8 - Auto's with AC 4 - 4 speeds with AC 6 - cars with Stripes |
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By chance is his name Mike , in Missouri ? |
Cardinal Red WW5
I just came across this thread and pulled out my PHS. It's strange because the WW5 option is $1039.51. This is a fairly early 11B build, auto w/ac. I will post the PHS for the registry tomorrow.
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Here's the PHS for the Cardinal Red WW5 I bought a couple years ago. Not sure why the option is a different amount than what's been documented here?
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I'm at the Arthritis Foundation Auto Show in Columbus, Ohio today. An acquaintance of mine has his WW5 here that he bought new with 17000 miles. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Probably a two page window sticker early 72 car too. More pix
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Get a picture of trim tag too. Interior shot too and is it a plastic rear valence? Original paint car too?
Mileage thing doesn't make sense has only 13k bought new at 17k? |
Plastic rear valence was early in the year Mike - later ones should have the steel.
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If original paint, get a picture of the decal on the trunk lid.
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He bought it new with no miles, it now has 17k+ miles Mike Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Thanks Doug, took me awhile... I was so impressed! Plastic valence?
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Plastic
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Does the decal on the deck lid say "GTO" or GTO with a smaller HO offset below it?
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Thanx Doug, Got to get some interior pix for PB too!
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Is it too late to get a head-on shot of the "Keep your GM" decal on the air cleaner?
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Great pictures! Does the car still have the original tailpipe tips and brackets? Got to like what is probably a one of one.
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Air cleaner must have been redone. I can't believe the factory would have put a '73 air cleaner decal on, especially with square-cut corners.
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Such a cool car! And I don't wish to be argumentative in the least, but for clarification, blue and green Cordova tops were announced on January 5, 1972 and reached production about February 1.
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Calling All 72 WW5 GTO's - Special Performance Option
That's correct. He requested that color specifically and the factory built it. It started as a '73 regular production color
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I'm confused - if green was a mid-year color, how could it be a "'73 regular production color?"
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That is the claim the owner is making so I am confused as well since that color was indeed available after Jan. 72. Maybe the selling dealer wasn't informed of that production change. That's his story and he's sticking to it. Unbelievable car either way ;-)
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When dealing with the original owners and their stories about the purchase deal. It's always a strange transaction then as it is now.
Imagine a customer with that order, and a saleman going thru the big checklist items. Anything else? I Want a green vinyl roof too. Okay,but I will need to pull some strings with the boss's. I be right back... |
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