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455hota 01-10-2016 05:18 PM

Repro deck lid torque rods
 
I just bought a set of the repro deck lid torque rods from Ames, for my 70 TA. I made sure I ordered the right ones for a rear spoiler (FK386L, and FK386R).
I have them installed on the highest setting, and they will not keep the deck lid open 2 or 3 inches from the closed position, nor do they have enough strength to hold the decklid up in the fully open position if I place it there.

Has anyone successfully used these repro decklid torque rods on a 70 TA?

I will be calling Ames tomorrow.

Thanks for any feedback.

mklinger 01-10-2016 06:25 PM

I used two of the heavier (thicker) rods with success.

455hota 01-10-2016 06:45 PM

So you just ordered two the repro thicker rods? do you know which part number is the thicker one?

FunctionalShaker 01-10-2016 08:55 PM

Steve, were they individually labeled?

455hota 01-10-2016 09:10 PM

I don't know they were shipped directly to my body shop.

mklinger 01-11-2016 12:29 AM

They were OER....ill have to check the parts number. I assume the ones you got were two different diameters..yes?

Formulabruce 01-11-2016 08:36 AM

1. They CAN be installed backwards ( right on left side, etc), and trunk will not stay up.
2. Factory only used ONE stronger rod for 'spoiled" cars

Formula8 01-11-2016 09:59 AM

I only used one rod. It was the thicker repo. Scary as hell to install but worked fine.

Formulabruce 01-11-2016 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Formula8 (Post 5516423)
I only used one rod. It was the thicker repo. Scary as hell to install but worked fine.

yup, sure is scary.... I would never think of installing one on a painted car... Im not that good, or strong I guess. !

FunctionalShaker 01-11-2016 11:20 AM

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Here's a pic of how they install. I made a tool to make the job easier -- and less dangerous.

455hota 01-11-2016 12:40 PM

I will check when I get back into town. Thanks for the info.

455hota 01-11-2016 05:55 PM

I called Ames and they told me the right hand rod is the thicker one. And he said you can not install two thicker ones as they don't make a thick rod in the left hand configuration.

Formulabruce 01-12-2016 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FunctionalShaker (Post 5516456)
Here's a pic of how they install. I made a tool to make the job easier -- and less dangerous.

Re did this a bit, and will add to the restoration thread..
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...5&d=1452612587

455hota 01-12-2016 01:29 PM

This weekend when I get home I will check out which side I have the thick rod installed on. Thanks.

johnta1 01-12-2016 03:15 PM

Quote:

I made a tool to make the job easier
How about a pic of the tool?

I had a pic of one, but can't find it at the moment.

:o

johnta1 01-12-2016 04:37 PM

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Found the pic of tool!

:)

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1452630951


And a pic showing how to use it:
(shows X/A bodies, but would think the Fbirds about the same)

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1452630951

FunctionalShaker 01-13-2016 06:00 PM

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Can't be the same because of the configuration.

The one I made is very simple as it's something I'll rarely use. A bolt, a nut and a couple of washers welded together. I then used a socket, long extension and a ratchet to twist it into place.

The thicker rod controls the right hand hinge.

keith k 01-13-2016 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FunctionalShaker (Post 5517704)
Can't be the same because of the configuration.

The one I made is very simple as it's something I'll rarely use. A bolt, a nut and a couple of washers welded together. I then used a socket, long extension and a ratchet to twist it into place.

The thicker rod controls the right hand hinge.

Nice!

johnta1 01-14-2016 08:07 AM

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I called Ames and they told me the right hand rod is the thicker one.
So, this pic has the rods backwards?

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...5&d=1452612587

:confused:

FunctionalShaker 01-14-2016 08:40 AM

That depends on how they're looking at it. The thicker rod torques from the left side, but controls the right side hinge. The long end of the rod has a bend in it which makes sense to be upward when installed in the hook(s). I reinstalled mine this way and they work fine.

necdb3 01-14-2016 09:34 PM

On my car, I just used a 3/8 extension and a deep socket as the tool to install the springs. I've used that for years on all cars.

HO Kenny 01-15-2016 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by necdb3 (Post 5518213)
On my car, I just used a 3/8 extension and a deep socket as the tool to install the springs. I've used that for years on all cars.

I've used the same method. It works well.

455hota 01-16-2016 02:41 PM

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I found out I had my torque rods on the wrong sides. I am going to swap them over. Thanks for the help and pics!

455hota 06-19-2016 10:27 AM

Update:

I had the toque rods installed opposite and backwards!

No wonder the decklid would not stay up! Installing in the correct orientation and position and now all i fine.

PS I used the the repro rod from Ames and had no issues once installed correctly.

dpoltzer 04-21-2018 07:42 AM

455, In your pic#23, is that with the rods in the correct position or incorrect position? Thanks.

455hota 04-21-2018 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dpoltzer (Post 5873478)
455, In your pic#23, is that with the rods in the correct position or incorrect position? Thanks.



Those pics are showing the incorrect position. The ends of each rod should be angled up not down like in my pics.


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dpoltzer 04-21-2018 09:58 PM

That is what I thought! I will flip it over and hopefully that will do the trick. Thanks again 455hota.

Formulabruce 04-22-2018 12:14 AM

This guy is a bit slow, but gets the explanation done right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLzzsyD-hek

dpoltzer 04-22-2018 09:21 AM

Yes he is slow and thanks again.

HWYSTR455 01-15-2025 11:00 AM

I have to swap to the one thicker rod, can the rods be installed with the deck lid still on?



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fbody_mike 01-15-2025 03:29 PM

You have to remove the rear glass trim and the filler panel between the glass and the deck lid. I remember removing the deck lid too, but can't recall if I did it to protect it or if it was in the way, but by the time you pull the other parts it is only 4 more bolts. Get some shipping blankets to protect the body and the glass when removing and installing the rods. I use a deep socket on a long extension to manipulate the rods, takes some practice.

HWYSTR455 01-15-2025 05:24 PM

Excellent, thank you!

I will probably pop the deck lid, no biggie really, was just curious.

If I' going thru the trouble, wonder if I should replace the other rod too?


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73ta 04-15-2025 04:44 PM

I replaced both rods and it didn't make much difference from my old rods. Trunk stays up only 4-5 inches. Very ****ty design.

johnta1 04-15-2025 05:18 PM

Which slot is it in?


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Formulabruce 04-15-2025 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 73ta (Post 6560484)
I replaced both rods and it didn't make much difference from my old rods. Trunk stays up only 4-5 inches. Very ****ty design.

It should be at rest at 4-5 inches.. should also stay all the way up, but barely..
Do not want springs that slam the lid up

cdoggy81 04-16-2025 09:26 AM

Subscribed as I’m in the same boat. Painter says it won’t stay but I figured he had something incorrect… :-(


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