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Keith Seymore 12-07-2016 01:43 PM

RIP Royal Pontiac
 
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At SR-71's suggestion at lunch time today I drove past the old Royal Pontiac location (400 N Main, in Royal Oak Michigan).

I wasn't expecting much change since last time but - alas - it's all gone. Nothing but busted up asphalt, debris and twisted bits of metal.

I recall there was discussion about using that location for a K Mart or a retirement home but I don't know where that landed.

K

Keith Seymore 12-07-2016 01:48 PM

Here are some photos from June of 2011, for comparison purposes.

K


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92GTA 12-07-2016 02:27 PM

Man that sucks. Thanks for sharing

GT182 12-07-2016 02:28 PM

It's too bad someone didn't buy the place and make it a museum.

Keith, maybe you were the last to get photos of a piece of Pontiac history. And yes it sucks that everything is gone.

blue71ta 12-07-2016 02:43 PM

What a shame that it had to make way for "progress" :( Seems all too common these days.

Nice that you were able to get some pics with the Goat before it's demise though.

68bird400HO 12-07-2016 03:10 PM

I would be neat if you could find some remains of the building as a souvenir, like if there where any of those glass blocks lying around. Keep a small part of it alive...

Doug 12-07-2016 03:24 PM

Pontiac sacred grounds
 
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Originally Posted by 68bird400HO (Post 5665962)
I would be neat if you could find some remains of the building as a souvenir, like if there where any of those glass blocks lying around. Keep a small part of it alive...

Yep! Those art deco style glass blocks would make a nice souvenir. I noticed the curved walls on some of them and it reminded me of the Pontiac dealership (Milne Pontiac) in my hometown that it's front was built along a steep curve with some of the same glass block setup. It was a three story building with the show room front at street level and the shop/service area accessed on the back at a second story level. Dealership shut down 35-or so years ago.

prostreet64 12-07-2016 03:32 PM

Keith, your beautiful '65 almost makes the place come alive again. Thanks for sharing the pics.

FireJudge 12-07-2016 03:40 PM

I agree, your 65 looks great with the background. It would of been cool getting a picture with a different year Goat coming out of each service bay door.

The Boss 12-07-2016 06:31 PM

Damn! :(

redhawk44 12-07-2016 06:58 PM

It sucks about Royal but your 65 is awesome. Beautiful!

60sstuff 12-07-2016 07:43 PM

WOW, I sure hope someone picked up that last 65 GTO from lube & oil before they demolished the building :-)

I hate change!

But, all of us here on the forum still have our history, (in the Pontiac cars, parts and stories) that we can continue to share.

boltbuster 12-07-2016 08:16 PM

The sun setting over the building is a particularly nice shot... and fitting. Thanks for sharing.

Old Goat Racer 12-07-2016 09:22 PM

:cry:

GTOnly70 12-07-2016 10:15 PM

Very sad.

Doubt they're putting up any new K marts, though. Kmart/Sears is in a death spiral of their own...

70L34 12-07-2016 10:42 PM

Sad, drove right by there just a couple weeks ago and it was still intact.

The Boss 12-08-2016 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by boltbuster (Post 5666076)
The sun setting over the building is a particularly nice shot... and fitting. Thanks for sharing.

I'm not 100% positive on this but if I remember the story about this day correctly, I'm pretty sure that's a sunrise. ;)

http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1308500606

riggsjr 12-08-2016 04:25 PM

Keith,
Thanks for sharing those pictures. Great shots .... Owning a car myself that came out of Ace Wilson's Dealership I always wonder how many cars from that dealership are still around as I am sure that the weather and racing them destroyed a lot of them.I also always wonder how many members from this site have a car come from that dealership? Might be worth a post??

SR-71 12-08-2016 05:15 PM

It's funny to look at the old pictures and compare them to the ones Keith took. The last one is in front of the "new" showroom that stood on the grounds of the school that used to be beside the Royal dealership. The original showroom was long gone and actually was part of the building to the left and was almost right on the street. I always wondered why over the years that a Royal Pontiac party wasn't held on the old property during the Woodward Dream Cruise.
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SR-71 12-08-2016 05:59 PM

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It would have been cool to park cars for pictures it in front of this same door and wall that was still there as of last month.

Keith Seymore 12-08-2016 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 60sstuff (Post 5666064)
WOW, I sure hope someone picked up that last 65 GTO from lube & oil before they demolished the building :-)

I can assure you it made it home safely from there.... a couple times!

(lol)

Keith Seymore 12-08-2016 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GTOnly70 (Post 5666124)
Very sad.

Doubt they're putting up any new K marts, though. Kmart/Sears is in a death spiral of their own...

Kroger, maybe? We'll have to wait and see.

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Originally Posted by The Boss (Post 5666219)
I'm not 100% positive on this but if I remember the story about this day correctly, I'm pretty sure that's a sunrise. ;)

Correct you are.

That was Father's Day morning. Nobody else was up so me "and my dad" went for a little ride and took some pictures.

Totally spontaneous.

K

Keith Seymore 12-08-2016 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SR-71 (Post 5666487)
It would have been cool to park cars for pictures it in front of this same door and wall that was still there as of last month.

I don't think I've ever seen that picture before.

Hard to tell from a black and white photo but that might be our car.

K

SR-71 12-08-2016 06:59 PM

I thought about that and would have sent it to you if I knew they were moving on it so fast. Reenacting the picture would have been cool.

goatwgn 12-08-2016 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith Seymore (Post 5665918)
At SR-71's suggestion at lunch time today I drove past the old Royal Pontiac location (400 N Main, in Royal Oak Michigan).

I wasn't expecting much change since last time but - alas - it's all gone. Nothing but busted up asphalt, debris and twisted bits of metal.

I recall there was discussion about using that location for a K Mart or a retirement home but I don't know where that landed.

K

:(:(:( Sad news that another piece of our Pontiac history is gone.

cuz68 12-08-2016 10:53 PM

I did not know them, Only what I have read on py. If it helps I hate to see changes of the things I was around when I was a kid. SAD

Tenney 12-08-2016 11:17 PM

Thanks for sharing your pics, Keith - cool you got to do a flyby w/the '65.

geeteeohguy 12-09-2016 11:32 AM

Thanks for sharing, Keith. You are keeping the history alive.

MikeNoun 12-09-2016 02:38 PM

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Thank you Keith.

Time marches on....http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/sad-..._smiley_22.gif

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Jeff Hamlin 12-09-2016 04:32 PM

INDEED
 
[QUOTE=MikeNoun;5666820]Thank you Keith.

Time marches on....http://www.4smileys.com/smileys/sad-..._smiley_22.gif

and on and on...
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Should have pulled some Bricks when you had the chance ;)

Big Bear 12-09-2016 09:30 PM

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A couple of years ago it was mentioned that the Royal building days were numbered so while at the Woodward cruise we stopped by for some pictures with the TA (regrettable that our GTO wasn't there) before another piece of history was gone.

getmygoat 12-10-2016 03:07 AM

The lesson I take from this and other experiences in life is that everything is temporary.. the world we know today, our friends, family, house, hobbies, loves, everything, its but a flash. You think people who lived 100 years ago, if they came back today, would recognize any of the things they loved during their lives? Unlikely. Its all gone... Just like everything we know and love will be gone in another 100 years.

Live life for all its worth now, there really is no tomorrow.

Keith Seymore 12-10-2016 06:52 PM

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The lesson I take from this and other experiences in life is that everything is temporary.. the world we know today, our friends, family, house, hobbies, loves, everything, its but a flash. You think people who lived 100 years ago, if they came back today, would recognize any of the things they loved during their lives? Unlikely. Its all gone... Just like everything we know and love will be gone in another 100 years.

I agree....

...except for this house. This house seems to have some supernatural ability to withstand the ravages of time.

K

Keith Seymore 12-10-2016 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Bear (Post 5666970)
A couple of years ago it was mentioned that the Royal building days were numbered so while at the Woodward cruise we stopped by for some pictures with the TA (regrettable that our GTO wasn't there) before another piece of history was gone.

Looks like the lube rack was doing some good business these last couple years...

;)

K

400 4spd. 12-10-2016 09:46 PM

Keith, is the '63 artwork by Eric White?

Wareagle 12-11-2016 12:52 AM

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Great pic Mike - lots of fast cars - Royal Bobcats etc.

Terry M. Hunt 12-11-2016 01:22 AM

RIP Royal Pontiac
 
Years ago(1991?) when the GTOAA convention was held in Atlanta, Jim Wangers provided a couple of bricks for the silent auction that he said were from the original Royal Pontiac Building(s). Not sure if these were the result of some remodeling, etc. but they apparently weren't the result of the buildings being demolished, since it looks like Keith's pics show that happening recently. Or maybe the buildings that were just demolished were not the original Royal buildings anyway. They look very different from the vintage photo(at least the showroom does) I don't know what changes the original buildings went through during their life time that might have produced the bricks Jim provided. Anyway, I made sure I wound up with one of these bricks and JW autographed it as "From the original Royal Pontiac", or words to that effect. Don't have it handy now to give the exact wording. Keitlh can you comment on this? Maybe I can have my brick Carbon 14 dated. Hope it wasn't just something Jim found in the hotel parking lot.

riggsjr 12-11-2016 01:47 PM

Wareagle,
Says video is unavailable.

Wareagle 12-11-2016 01:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXP0vIoOjo4

Royal Pontiac :)

Keith Seymore 12-11-2016 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 400 4spd. (Post 5667385)
Keith, is the '63 artwork by Eric White?

Yes.

I didn't have any still photos of that car so I commissioned Eric to make a "hero card" based on old home movies and my recollection of the various features.

K

Keith Seymore 12-11-2016 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry M. Hunt (Post 5667447)
Years ago(1991?) when the GTOAA convention was held in Atlanta, Jim Wangers provided a couple of bricks for the silent auction that he said were from the original Royal Pontiac Building(s). Not sure if these were the result of some remodeling, etc. but they apparently weren't the result of the buildings being demolished, since it looks like Keith's pics show that happening recently. Or maybe the buildings that were just demolished were not the original Royal buildings anyway. They look very different from the vintage photo(at least the showroom does) I don't know what changes the original buildings went through during their life time that might have produced the bricks Jim provided. Anyway, I made sure I wound up with one of these bricks and JW autographed it as "From the original Royal Pontiac", or words to that effect. Don't have it handy now to give the exact wording. Keitlh can you comment on this? Maybe I can have my brick Carbon 14 dated. Hope it wasn't just something Jim found in the hotel parking lot.

I'm sure it's legit.

The showroom was remodeled at some point but all of the outbuildings (the car wash, shop area and used car building) were all still recognizable.

If Jim said it was from the original building I'd take his word for it.

K

riggsjr 12-11-2016 08:32 PM

Wareagle,
Car sounds and looks awesome!!!

400 4spd. 12-11-2016 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith Seymore (Post 5667745)
Yes.

I didn't have any still photos of that car so I commissioned Eric to make a "hero card" based on old home movies and my recollection of the various features.

K

Very nice! You were wise to get that done. I have some of his work that I'm currently having framed.

Wareagle 12-12-2016 12:17 AM

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Wareagle,
Car sounds and looks awesome!!!

X2 - Here's another great Royal Pontiac car

Keith Seymore 12-12-2016 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 400 4spd. (Post 5667767)
Very nice! You were wise to get that done. I have some of his work that I'm currently having framed.

Thank you; Eric had Paul Deesen frame mine...

;)

Keith Seymore 12-12-2016 04:33 PM

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X2 - Here's another great Royal Pontiac car

Since this is a Royal Pontiac thread I'll go off on a bit of a tangent -

I was honored to be invited to the inaugural MCACN event to participate in a display of "significant" Royal prepped cars. Bill Schultz was there with the RAV car and Tenney had the C&D '64, as well as a Beswick '68 and the Thom McAn giveaway car.

I don't usually do indoor shows I don't have a lot of display material. I asked Bill and Tenney if they were going to do a big display and they said "naw - just bring the car".

So I show up and Tenney has got Scott Tiemann polishing his car so much that there is white dust in the air; Bill brought a whole wall of newspaper clippings and magazine articles.

I had nothing. I ran back to the hotel and typed up an 8.5"x11" white sheet of paper with some information on it, and I had the big GTO book for the authors to sign so I set that on the hood open to the right page.

You can see Bill's "wall of fame" here:

Keith Seymore 12-12-2016 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith Seymore (Post 5668129)
So I show up and Tenney has got Scott Tiemann polishing his car so much that there is white dust in the air; Bill brought a whole wall of newspaper clippings and magazine articles.

I had nothing. I ran back to the hotel and typed up an 8.5"x11" white sheet of paper with some information on it, and I had the big GTO book for the authors to sign so I set that on the hood open to the right page.

One of my favorite quotes was a report back on this website. The author said: "whoa - they had this display of Royal cars! They had the C&D '64, and a Beswick car, and a Thom McAn giveaway, and the Ram Air V!!"

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... "oh - and a black '65".

:mad:

:D

Wareagle 12-13-2016 10:13 AM

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Great story and pics Keith :)

Keith Seymore 12-17-2016 02:09 PM

Found this while looking for something else; it's the thread from a couple years ago where the city of Royal Oak mentioned that something was going to happen with the property.

K

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=758992

Tenney 01-06-2017 01:47 PM

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So I show up and Tenney has got Scott Tiemann polishing his car so much that there is white dust in the air;

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