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Kurt L71S 01-22-2017 01:12 PM

New Member and his 71 LeMans Sport
 
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What a nice forum! So much info to digest...I am new to the Pontiac Scene as I have 2 Camaros as well 1968 and a 2010..both blue.
When I found this 1971 LeMans Sport in Elwood, Indiana, I knew I had to have it.
I would like to start a "Build Thread" on her, but did not see any such forum.
Here are just a couple of photos the way we brought her home. I have since begun to disassemble her for the rebuild. I would like to post ongoing photos as I make progress.
Please let me know if I am within the boundaries of doing this!

Thanks again,
Kurt L71S

b-man 01-22-2017 01:21 PM

You found the right sub-forum for your build thread, start a new thread and post away!

Welcome to the PY forums :welcome:

Bart :)

Kurt L71S 01-22-2017 02:03 PM

Thanks so much B-man....

Kurt L71S

indymanjoe 01-22-2017 02:58 PM

Car looks great! welcome along!

1oldgoat 01-22-2017 06:27 PM

Welcome to the forum! Nice looking car!

Txbobcat 01-22-2017 09:00 PM

It looks good to me.

Kurt L71S 01-23-2017 09:19 AM

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We started ripping her apart just about as soon as we got her home! I had rebuilt our 1968 Camaro Sport Coupe the same way, so I figured why not try a Pontiac LeMans...can't be that tough, right?....;)

Kurt L71S

Kurt L71S 01-23-2017 09:31 AM

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I had some wonderful help on this car just like Grandpa's 68 Camaro....Our Son-in-law Clint Minglin and our Grandson Jackson Edward!...
I need to mention that this car is an Indiana car...that being said, I crawled under it with a fine tooth comb and found only 2 little rust holes from the interior....That is unheard of! All of the original fuel, brake lines were intact with their fasteners as well...:clap2:
My plans for this car is a complete frame rebuild with new tank, lines, 4 wheel disc conversion from Pirate Jack Hot Rod...with red calipers!.....:popcorn:
Then off to the body shop for a fresh coat of 1989 Chevrolet Blue, along with new bumpers and chrome emblems.
After that, I am going to replace the entire white interior with new from top to bottom....:cool:
This sounds like a bunch of work...and it will be!! But the end result will be so worth the effort and money.
Stay tuned for more on this project....I am open to suggestions along the way, so don't hesitate to speak up....:welcome:

Regards,
Kurt L71S

Kurt L71S 01-23-2017 09:40 AM

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Maybe just one more today to help get caught up a little. Fast forward some...Removed the engine (350), and Trans (TH350), began cleaning the frame and doing some inspection....She's clean from end to end....So stoked on this LeMans!
I pointed out some of the weld lines on the frame....hand welded back then....some of the wire was STILL on the welds...
Removed the tank! Did not find a build sheet....Boo!!

Kurt L71S

Kurt L71S 01-23-2017 10:07 AM

Just messing with my sig and photo!

indymanjoe 01-23-2017 11:05 AM

I see a pattern with the color's. Nice cars!

Kurt L71S 01-23-2017 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by indymanjoe (Post 5687546)
I see a pattern with the color's. Nice cars!

Thanks Joe! That is what caught my eye...The blue and the white interior! I have always wanted a car with white interior...
I almost installed white in my 68 Camaro....but decided against it...
:cool:

HWYSTR455 01-23-2017 01:52 PM

Looking at the pics you have a fine example of a restorable car there. You got lucky!

Guard that front bumper with your life, they are kind of tough to come by. The rear ones you can get easily, those fronts are few and far between. (I had one swapped when I took my original to a rechrome shop, was NOT happy)

If you're going to have it painted, you might want to consider dropping the frame and having it powder coated, it's not that bad to do.

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Kurt L71S 01-23-2017 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HWYSTR455 (Post 5687623)
Looking at the pics you have a fine example of a restorable car there. You got lucky!

Guard that front bumper with your life, they are kind of tough to come by. The rear ones you can get easily, those fronts are few and far between. (I had one swapped when I took my original to a rechrome shop, was NOT happy)

If you're going to have it painted, you might want to consider dropping the frame and having it powder coated, it's not that bad to do.

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I consider myself Blessed! As far as the bumpers, the front is pretty good...I need to straighten it a little in the middle. I hope I don't crack the chrome, but the rear I am going to replace...:D
I already have split the frame and the body. I am now replacing all the bushings along with all brake and fuel lines and return lines. The frame is now painted and ready for me to start the reassembly...;)

Kurt L71S 01-23-2017 05:34 PM

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As I progressed some, I ordered ALL new Moog ball joints, bushings for upper and lower A arms, rear upper/lower Control Arms. We sure want her to ride and drive like a new one!...:cool:
Had to, at the same time purchase a few new tools to do the work. Control Arm Bushing tool, floor press, Ball Joint press and Removal tool...

Kurt L71S 01-23-2017 06:04 PM

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I had a visit from Clark Gick of Basic Body & Paint, Inc. in Chalmers. He looked "Blu" over and gave her the thumbs up for some new paint!....
I am beyond stoked! He told me that this car is so nice for being an Indiana car and also being a 1971! That's all I needed to hear. I started ripping the undercarriage apart! Getting ready for another 4 wheel disc brake conversion!
Even though Pontiac was part of GM, things are so different from Chevrolet! Seems like everything is on the "other" side from what the Camaro is...Oh well....One never wants to quit learning!...

4SLASH6 01-23-2017 10:16 PM

looks like fun!
 
fun thread.........don't lose hope on build sheet yet.......found a like new one for a 72 GTO taped neatly to backside of drivers inner door pad........have fun, SLASH.

Judge-1969 01-24-2017 12:20 AM

Welcome to the forum!

Great looking car! Neat to see some of your work on a '71! I would like to do a few things to my Lemans in the near future so I'll be keeping tabs on yours!

How long have you had it?

Tyler

Kurt L71S 01-24-2017 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 1oldgoat (Post 5687292)
Welcome to the forum! Nice looking car!

Thanks Goat!
I appreciate your thoughts!

Kurt L71S 01-24-2017 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 4SLASH6 (Post 5687838)
fun thread.........don't lose hope on build sheet yet.......found a like new one for a 72 GTO taped neatly to backside of drivers inner door pad........have fun, SLASH.

Thanks SLASH!
I will make sure to look everywhere in the interior...Nice tip!!...
;)

Kurt L71S 01-24-2017 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Judge-1969 (Post 5687903)
Welcome to the forum!

Great looking car! Neat to see some of your work on a '71! I would like to do a few things to my Lemans in the near future so I'll be keeping tabs on yours!

How long have you had it?

Tyler

Tyler,
Thanks for the compliment! I've had it since November of 2016! We found it at Elwood, Indiana. I hope by my doing this complete rebuild and posting some info for others, it may help in some small way. I have learned so much in such a small amount of time....being a Chevrolet Guy, this is my first Pontiac. I fell in love with her the moment I saw her!
When done, she should be a head turner!
...:cool::oogle:

Kurt L71S 01-24-2017 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Txbobcat (Post 5687330)
It looks good to me.

Thanks Txbobact,
I appreciate your looking and your comments...:D

Kurt L71S 01-24-2017 08:30 AM

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We removed the Rear End with some of the best help in the world! It is now on the floor of the garage and I can get to cleaning and paint. I will install the new Yoke Seal, and I might even install the new disc brakes, lines, tabs before re installing....
Thanks Jackson and Clint Minglin for being with me yesterday!!..

Kurt L71S 01-24-2017 08:35 AM

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Had some nice weather the other day!...
Took the time and power washed the engine and transmission. They sure were messy.

Kurt L71S 01-24-2017 08:41 AM

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Time for some photos of the painted front end parts along with all new Moog bushings, links, Ball Joints, etc....
Should get started reassembling the front end sometime next week.
I have decided to once again purchase 4 wheel disc brake kit from Pirate Jack in NC. I will post the kit I am going to order...should look outstanding against the blue finish on this car along with the AR Torque Thrust D/BFG tires...
:D

HWYSTR455 01-24-2017 10:39 AM

Wow, moving right along! Nice to see progress!

I still can't get over how good that body is, all the pans, common rot areas, everything looks good. You've got a keeper there!

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4SLASH6 01-24-2017 11:53 AM

love the ups pic! ageless wheel style too.

Kurt L71S 01-24-2017 05:51 PM

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love the ups pic! ageless wheel style too.


Thanks SLASH!

This is some of what I am basing my decision on. I can and will take them off the Camaro and test fit for looks on the LeMans....;):cool:

Kurt L71S 01-24-2017 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HWYSTR455 (Post 5688043)
Wow, moving right along! Nice to see progress!

I still can't get over how good that body is, all the pans, common rot areas, everything looks good. You've got a keeper there!

.

455,
I am just about caught up with where I stand with the build. I can't wait to show how she looks on her underside. I am ready now to mock up the rear end with her new brakes, lines and rotors....:D

Kurt L71S 01-24-2017 06:45 PM

Purdy Blu!
 
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I almost forgot!! This is how she looked the day we brought her home!

She's so purdy!!
...:first:

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 08:48 AM

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I spent the afternoon cleaning and wire brushing the rear end from end to end. I have posted a few photos of the numbers, but did NOT find any numbers on the axle tubes on either side...any ideas?...:confused:
Also have a photo of the vent hole for the vent valve...check it out. It is on the passenger side tube...:Ithink:
I'll be taking the cover off and counting teeth...
:rolleyes:

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 08:57 AM

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Everyone,
I hope you don't get tired of seeing the progress! Can hardly wait to show some of the pretty parts...getting the underside done, brakes on, etc...:cool:
I am being very positive the 71 LeMans will look every bit as good as the 68 Camaro did. I have posted a few from it's underside....
:first:

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 09:27 AM

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Worked on completing the cleaning of the underside of the 71. I also removed all the body bushings and only had two that broke off...the two under the interior. I removed all the interior and used a cutoff saw to open the two locations..I have them soaking in Mr. Blaster. I have some other tasks for Owen Machine and Welding. We'll catch all this in one trip....:D
Went to NAPA today and picked up all the bearings, seals and U-Joints for the car. Now have the Pinion Seal installed and will be working on getting the Axle Bearings and Seals installed...Then it's time to paint and install the new 4 Wheel Disc Conversion...
;)

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 09:33 AM

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Paint time today...Made a trip to Monticello, In to get some paint, and a lot of other things I thought I needed. Also stopped at NAPA and picked up my axles with the new bearings, seals installed! Thanks Shawn Mitchell for your help! Should just about have the undercarriage painted and ready for the new body bushings...Then things should pick up some....fuel tank, lines, brake system, lines...Things are coming together now....:cool:

Trying to get caught up to where I am with the build....

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 09:38 AM

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More of the same....:thanx:
Must be thinking about new wheels....AR Torque Thrust D..longer lugs....
GM made it easy to figure the ratio...do the math...
:p

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 09:43 AM

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What a day we had in the garage. I mocked up the rear end with the brake lines and axles. Scott Robertson from Owens Machine and Welding came over for a couple of hours to do his "magic" on the 71...welded the tabs on the rear end, repaired 4 or 5 bolt locations, and welded up the two spots in the interior where I had to cut open the floor boards for broken body mount bolts. God, I love this guy and his family...His Grandpa Mel Robertson and my Dad Earl Keller were such good friends. Mel was a fixture in the community.....miss them both so much!!...

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 09:47 AM

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More from yesterday's work!!...

...But somebody HAS to hold the light!! That's my job!!

Mocking up the rear end for the disc brake conversion....It came to a screeching halt...the new rotors would not fit over the axles....Rotors 6 1/8 in...Axles 6 1/4 in....Owens Machine....Here I come this morning....

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 09:53 AM

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One more and we're there!!...;):D:)
I was asked if this is a complete 4 wheel disc conversion kit. It sure is and I purchased it from Pirate Jack Hot Rod. The rear rotors would not fit over the rear axle hubs, so I asked Owens Machine and Welding at Monticello to turn the hubs down. They now fit like a glove....
:cool:

4SLASH6 01-25-2017 10:21 AM

nice pix
 
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the journey for me is where all the fun is..... my 70 rear has numerical faint date codes on the axle somewhere, but here is a shot of 2 letter ID. XH for 1970 I believe = 3:55 saf-t-trac.

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 07:35 PM

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I spent the afternoon in the garage prepping the rear end for the brakes...need to take the axles and have them turned some more...Also removed one of the axles from the housing and the bearing split in two....NOT GOOD!! But if it has to happen, now is the time. I'll take it back to NAPA and ask them to remove it and replace with a new one....
Also took the time to finish some of the detailing painting for the undercarriage. Running new fuel and brake lines. the OEM brackets got a fresh coat of red paint while the bolts got a coat of Rustoleum Dark Grey Primer.
The rear end is starting to look purdy!!

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 07:37 PM

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I also took the time to complete the task of pressing the rest of the bushings in the front A-arms and also the rear control arms.
Boy, with the correct tools...life sure gets easy!!

Kurt L71S 01-25-2017 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 4SLASH6 (Post 5688648)
the journey for me is where all the fun is..... my 70 rear has numerical faint date codes on the axle somewhere, but here is a shot of 2 letter ID. XH for 1970 I believe = 3:55 saf-t-trac.

Slash,
I have been all over that passenger side axle tube and it is NOT there....I even went back over it today....NOT TO BE FOUND!!....
:noidea:

Kurt L71S 01-26-2017 06:49 PM

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Worked today on getting the power steering parts all cleaned up for some paint. All orginal parts including the gear box...just covered in grease and oil. Will check on the color of this equipment and paint as such.

Kurt L71S 01-30-2017 08:35 PM

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Things are now starting to take shape. All the pieces are getting both cleaned and painted. Shouldn't be long until I begin the "resurrection"...:D
Mocked up the rear end with the axles installed w/longer lugs. Needed to check if the disc brake calipers and brackets needed spacers...non needed.
Also painted the front springs along with the front stabilizer bar a smoked grey. most of the other parts that needed to stay neutral, I cleaned/wire brushed and squirted them with Matte/Clear Sealant! They look outstanding....
:cool:

4SLASH6 01-30-2017 09:51 PM

nice to see someone else hanging by bungee on garage door track. there goes my patent...lol.

HWYSTR455 01-31-2017 11:10 AM

As a tip, regular Krylon enamel paint will flake off and/or peel in an engine compartment or suspension parts, you should be using engine paint, like duplicolor or the like.

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tripower 01-31-2017 02:30 PM

Hey there Kurt looking good but can you take a break please! :D Trying to get my 71 Lemans project back on track and you've passed me up. Anyway thanks for sharing and posting the pics. It's nice to follow along with progress !

Kurt L71S 02-01-2017 06:44 PM

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Today I made some progress on getting the rear end done and ready to go back under the LeMans. Also installed both U-Joints and sealed the driveshaft. Did some cleaning, painting and sealing of the front springs, front sway bar and the new tie-rods on the center shaft.
Should be getting to the end of the clean up detail and will begin to reinstall everything so I have a complete rolling chassis and get ready for Clark Gick to shoot the "Blu"
...:cool2:;)

Kurt L71S 02-01-2017 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tripower (Post 5690759)
Hey there Kurt looking good but can you take a break please! :D Trying to get my 71 Lemans project back on track and you've passed me up. Anyway thanks for sharing and posting the pics. It's nice to follow along with progress !

Norm, 😉 I can't wait to get her back together and get ready for paint!

Kurt L71S 02-02-2017 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by HWYSTR455 (Post 5690689)
As a tip, regular Krylon enamel paint will flake off and/or peel in an engine compartment or suspension parts, you should be using engine paint, like duplicolor or the like.

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Thanks 455,
I will keep that in mind going forward! I have had pretty good luck with this Rustoleum Paint on my 68 Camaro...and it is not a trailer queen. Having said that, I hope the Matte Clear Sealer will assist in the longevity of the paint.

Thanks again for all your help!
...;)


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