Anyone else feel like those rascal scooters ruin car shows?
 

I was at the Street Rod Nationals Saturday. Great show, but people on those "handicap" scooters are damn near beginning to outnumber people walking. Especially the indoor portions of the show I was constantly dodging motorized vehicles. I just feel like its inconsiderate to those at the show to feel like you are entitled to take up more space than everyone else.

Now to be clear for those that for real absolutely need them. I get it. I wouldnt wish for someone who couldnt otherwise enjoy life to just sit at home and rot.

That said, just playing the numbers there were LOTS of people on them who couldnt have put forth a little effort and been just fine. Fat and or lazy is not a handicap. They make the fewer number who really need them look bad.

Im a big guy too, after walking around a swap meet on asphalt and concrete my feet for sure wish I was 215 pounds instead of 250. You know what wont help at all? Doing as little physical exertion as possible.

There was also a dude with a full on prosthetic lower leg walking around just fine like a savage. I damn near asked the dude if I could take a picture with him.

Maybe they are lazy, but you don't know that for a fact. It's never a good idea to assume things about others if you don't know the whole story.

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I feel your pain. Saturday at . the Ames show in Norwalk it was like being in downtown Bejing China. Golf carts, scooters, bicycles all vying to park as close to the vendors as possible forcing a person thats walking to constantly walk aways around them to view the for sale items. If you need it use it if you dont give the rest of us a break.

Kids on skateboards at shows that are on the streets. Jumping the curbs right between cars, happens to me the kid lost control of his board and my daughter was right there and caught it before it hit my front fender. She gave him a tongue lashing like I’d never heard before. There was even security at this show, my daughter gave the board to a policeman. He took it, and told the kid his parents could come get it at the station.


Then I was another show in a park, and some guys drone crashed 2 cars down from me. :mad::rolleyes:

Then there was the guy on a Segway, driving it up to car windows and leaning in for a closer look. :censored:

Then there’s the people with dogs on long leashes that wrap around your front end as the owner is looking in the engine compartment. Or the time I walked away to judge the other car owners, handed in my ballots, and got back to my car to find a woman had put her 3 year old in my car behind the wheel to take a picture. WTH?:argue:

The Ames show was great but we were constantly dodging golf carts, scooters, mopeds, dirt bikes, etc. they really need to get a handle on it- I would allow them on the streets and major pathways (it is a big place) but not in the swap meet or show field unless someone had a handicapped card like they hang in the window.

FYI, obesity is now a handicap and you can get a doctor to sign off that you're medically handicapped if you're obese.

Do I agree with this? I surely don't, but the do-gooders want every person in America to feel they're a victim and need a nanny state to keep getting bigger and bigger and sucking up more taxes. Our education system, grade school, high school, and college teach this crap to those that they educate Then it turns into accepted politically correctness, that's how obesity got turned into a handicap.

The morons at a car show that touch your, car let leashed dogs run around your car, are morons. These people think of cars the same way they view their washer and dryer, appliances that every household has. They just think these are old appliances, and who would be sentimentally attached to an old washer and dryer? It's not theirs, they never keep a car more than 10 years if that, and when they get rid of it it's fit for the scrapyard. They have no love of cars, and it's painfully obvious...…………….:noidea:

MA, the guy looking at your engine was probably trying to see if it was a Pontiac big block, or a small block...……………………...LMAO

It happens.... all of what's been said. I was been told at one show that if you see someone's kid in or on your car they will be thrown out of the show. No refunds even if they had to pay to get in. Now this should be the norm at all shows. I hate car shows that charge for us to show our cars and they let people in off the street in for free. I don't care one bit if it's not promoting the hobby... they pay just like the rest of us have too. You don't pay you don't get in.

And no dogs, especially if it's a show on hot pavement. Take the temperature of the pavement at a show some time. It not all fun and roses for dogs. The pads on their feet are the only way they sweat. Burn the pads and the dog is in serious trouble. Best yet, make the one that has the dog on a leash take off their shoes and walk around on the pavement. And that's not saying a thing about doggy doo doo, or the tinkles on your tires. I saw the doggy doo doo that the owner didn't even bother to pick up at the Pypes show. I picked it up and let the guy know I was pissed. He just laughed.

Ya, bad enough those guys, then there's the inconsiderate a-holes on top. They seem to expand like amoeba right at the show.

Thats why I said, "playing the numbers" there is no way every 30-60 year old I saw there really needed it. Odds are less than half did. If you really want to believe that every single one there absolutely needed it. I'll just have to say I lived in Vegas for a long time and would happily play the odds on the other side of that debate. Sad fact is that it makes me suspect of nearly all of them, and I hate looking down on someone who really needs it.

Im in my mid 30s so I kinda fall in the middle of the current age social structure. The older generation likes to harp all the time about the "entitled youth". In my opinion some of those people should take a look in the mirror.

When I see people in their 70s cruising along on their own two feet and then a a 40 year old in a scooter smoking a cigarette......I get a bit jaded.

I quit going to car shows a long time ago..... Actually.. I avoid big crowds of people... Nothing is worth standing in line or tripping over people..

OMG I love it when someone says or asks that and I have to School them. Lolol.:p

On a positive note, I’ve been to a few shows and cruises where kids are on bikes, but..........they got off and walked through the center lane between rows holding onto the bikes. When I see this, I stop them, and thank them for being courteous. :)

The last time I was in Las Vegas, I saw that someone got the bright idea to rent those to drunk tourists.

There’s a guy at our local cruise who is there every Friday on his scooter - even when it’s over 110 degrees. He’s 98 years old and flew bombers in WWII. I think he’s earned it.

I never let others ruin my fun. I put a lot of sweat and time and energy into restoring cars, so others could also enjoy them, as well get to see my car friends so I will continue to attend events, just a lot more cautious and aware when I’m there.

I have to say, a lot of people who have the scooters and rent golf carts at Norwalk or any car event that’s usually in the heat of Summer, do so because of health issues, some just have them as a convience and act like they’re on the track, when in the show and flea market areas. We don’t know who has a heart condition, or any illness that prevents them from walking an event, me being one of them. So as long as they’re respectful to others, and what’s going on around them, I’m ok with the vehicles. If I see idiots, I generally speak up, and let them know they’re acting a fool. I’m by no means shy. :cool2: ;)

EWWWWW is that what I smelled when you sat down with me? Did you step in it?? :D:pound::pound::pound::pound::poke:

I'm sorry, but not the case at Norwalk. I was there, and there was entirely too much wheeled traffic. Alot of able bodied young people not wanting to walk. Almost got clipped several times walking through the swap area as people in carts and atv's cruising up and down the aisle. Norwalk is a large venue and i understand the need for some wheels, but there most definitely needed to be some areas restricticted from traffic. I even saw an official telling people they couldn't drive their carts and atv's through the show area. It was ridiculous at times.

Well I was one of the people on a wheeled vehicle at Norwalk and have had a vehicle at Norwalk since 2008 and I can tell you that the pedestrians walk around like they're blind. They'll step right out in front of you, has happened to me over and over especially on the show side. Now if you go over to the pit side the pedestrians are paying attention to wheeled traffic and it's much easier to navigate.

I don't run fast through the show field because people are looking at the cars instead of the traffic on the asphalt roads, same with the swap meet area. I see plenty of people that do go too fast through the spectator side of the track, can't fix stupid though.

What about the people riding the scooters pulling a wagon behind them, usually empty!

I kind of like the shows where the only people that can attend are people that own the cars and their families. I'd rather have one guy that KNOWS cars say something nice about mine than 100 people that don't.

That doesn't seem like much of a show if the public is not allowed to attend.

Sounds like you have been to the Moultrie Swap Meet! Never seen so many until they started renting them there a few years ago. Of course the venue loves it cause it's mo' money!

I suspect that just like at Walmart, 90% of em are just lazy and need the exercise. Probably have 'borrowed' handi tags on the rear view too. Then there's the "service" animals....

Like anything there are those legit that get a bad rap from the majority posers

Not so much a "Show" as a "meeting" :)

Public shows for charities and such ... fine. But ... I don't know, the average public ... it's like a three star Michelin chef throwing a food show at a Pork Rind festival. It could be any car ... long as .. "that's a pretty color" :)

I have D.J.'d quite a few car shows and cruise-ins. I ALWAYS make it a point to announce reminders to people on bikes and scooters to please be courteous to show goers so we may all enjoy the show. Sometimes people just need a reminder. If that fails, then you are open game for my ire. If you are at a show do NOT piss off the D.J! You will not have a good time...............;)

That's funny !

Wow!

Rules like this might actually be a good thing...

Although this is a fine idea at face value, it is inherently flawed;
I'd rather put a twist on this;
Generally the entrance fee for vehicle owners is to ensure that the operating club/organization can pay for the venue, the required insurance to do the show, and any other nice-ities like renting tents ect...
I have been to a couple shows where the organizing club will actually line up sponsers to cover the costs involved - now that is nice!

It's my opinion that often the entrance fee for a S&S and the required duration where you're essentially stuck to languish on the feild/parking lot is getting out of hand...

I think this too is a fine idea.

I would have tried to casually pass it to him under the guise of "it looks like you dropped this"... and uttered something that I'd probably regret saying if I had been in your shoes.

People need to remember one thing....... without the cars and trucks.......there is no show. Costs for a club or private individual to host a show, is not cheap! Location, food, bathroom facilities, awards, a DJ, advertising, trash recepticles, and trash pick up afterwards. often a portion or all proceeds going to a charity, or similar I’ve been doing shows since the eighties. Even donating items for goody bags, or door prizes. It’s not an easy thing, trying to get people to volunteer. Most shows charge the participants an entrance fee. Some shows charge a spectator fee, or donation. I think it will be very hard to enforce a scooter, golf cart, ATV limitation. I’ve honestly seen more car show staff, abuse these things more so than anyone else, racing around, crashing into and dumping over trash boxes etc. I suppose the only way to avoid these vehicles, is simply leave, or don’t come back. People rarely listen to what the DJ is even saying, even being rude during awards talking and laughing. If scooters etc, are banned from events, next it will be wheel chairs and walkers.

I fully agree with you on this. I was in Norwalk and many people driving around anything with a motor. At this venue its a must if you want to see everything you possibly can.

We usually rent a golf cart so we can get from the show field to the far end of the pits in a short amount of time. I usually walk the swapmeet and show field so i can really see everything. There's a lot to see and in a short amount of time, so I can see these being used to save time, especially if you are a racer looking for parts between rounds or trying to get to the show field to look at cars.

The difference is at Norwalk we are all Pontiac people and are respectful of others and their property. This is not the case at a local car show where you are with a large majority of the stupid and inconsiderate people. I think charging those people at the gate will keep out a lot of the people who dont appreciate what it takes to have a nice classic car. Car people will pay the entrance fee, non car people will get a starbucks instead. Its a win win for everyone!:clap2:

Not a car show but at Disneyworld....
 

My whole family, so our 3 kids, the married two with their partners, and our 4 grandchildren all went to Disneyworld at Christmas time 2016. Quite a treat for us.

What amazed us was the number of apparently reasonably fit people and some quite obese people riding motorised scooters. You can hire them there. So they would have a group sometimes maybe 4-5 people on scooters riding up to the rides, park them then stand in a queue for sometimes an hour (if you haven't pre-booked), then ride on to the next ride.

Some rides, they could sit on their scooter in the queue then park it, negotiate a pathway or steps to the ride, get off and fairly easily walk back to their scooters!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Sure, there were obviously handicapped people these and good on them for getting out and about and enjoying themselves but I can't help feeling that some of those hirers were just down right lazy. :(:( Of course, a scooter is often handy because it has a basket in which you can load up huge cups of cola and popcorn. You need that to help get through the stresses of the day!!!

I havent really seen a problem with them at the shows I go to. I try not to be too judgmental after an experience I had at a Home depot. A guy pulled into the hcap parking in a new escalade. No HCap plates or sticker on the mirror. I was a bit incensed. My sons best friend growing up was handicapped and wheelchair bound, so I have become a bit sensitive to people abusing the situation. Against my better judgement I stood there a minute and was going to say something to him. He opened the backdoor first from the driver seat, and out came a wheel chair. This guy had no legs. Boy did I fell like a fool!

As a side note, when I see kids at a show I ask them if they want to sit in my car, with my help of course. They always get a big kick out of it. Maybe someday they will want to get their own trans am because of that experience.

At Norwalk this year there sure were a lot of skinny teenage kids with heart conditions.

True. However, most of the ones I see are fat, very to extremely fat. I'm sorry but being lazy and fat is not a handicap in my book. Maybe if some of these people got off their ass and walked a bit they would lose some of that weight. Its only a win, win for everyone. As far as these scooters at shows over here, we have a cruise night every night of the week, sometimes 2, and 2 to 5 car shows every weekend and I can say you are lucky to see 1 person in a scooter.

Fat people are coddled, just like druggies and alcoholics. Instead of trying to fix the issue, they're told it's OK, and given every tool under the sun to cope with their so called disease.

Yes, seeing people on scooters that don't belong on them is aggravating. You got people walking around that are pushing 90, those who are missing limbs, those who have legit diseases' that impair their walking ability, and yet those people are still up and doing things. Then you got the heifers strolling around on their scooters, thinking the entire land they're currently driving on belongs to them.

Thankfully the shows I go to are mostly on grass. I usually never see anyone there on scooters.

Like POCI over the years?:eek:

The public has always been able to attend POCI, in fact that's how I joined way back when. You may be confusing the seminars and tech sessions with the show.

We had this discussion a few months ago. Not always been that way.

No. No it has not. I joined back in '83 just so I could go to the convention which was in my backyard. I was not allowed into any part of the convention unless I was a member.

I started going to Charlotte Autofair in 1978 as a spectator, then later as a vendor. I loved walking the fields looking for parts.

Around 1986, I was in a car accident and had some problems with pain in my right hip. A doctor diagnosed me as as having a defective hip joint that was aggravated by the accident. The ball on the femur was elliptical shaped and one leg was an inch shorter than the other. I was told I would need hip replacement by the time I was 50. I continued to walk the show and used anti-inflammatories kept the pain down. As I started walking less I gained weight. By age 50 or so, I had to make a decision if I wanted to continue to walk the show, either have hip replacement surgery or get a scooter. I felt too embarassed to ride a scooter while I still looked healthy, so I stopped walking the show and began selling parts. I can't say I made the right decision, since I allowed vanity to make my decision for me. I felt people would judge me the way some of you are judging people on scooters

I would be careful about making observations regarding people who are riding the scooters. Not all disabilities are visible to the casual observer. I know there are probably a lot of people that abuse these, but many people that look healthy have issues that are not readily apparent.

I finally had my right hip replaced a couple of months ago, and plan to spend a little time walking the swap meet this September.

Sorry to hear about your accident but like handicapped parking privileges, you are not going to convince me that it is not abused.

and that is exactly what this thread is all about.

i don't think that any reasonable person will have issue with someone who needs some sort of assistance to get around, but in a day and age where everything is quickly labeled as a "disease", people are being empowered to abuse what has been afforded to people who legitimately need assistance.

Where I live, there is currently an air advisory because of smoke in the neighboring state (which probably isn't helped with the fires two states south), and in the advisory is the warning that "people with diseases like athsma" should be careful;
I have lived almost my whole life with athsma, and don't ever recall this bronchial contition being labeled as a disease...
but that's just the world we live in - everyone wants to be included...

Very true! I myself went through Leukemia let me tell ya, I never totally recouped. My strength levels are horrible, that’s only one side affect. I lived in a 200 year old farm house, we had to sell it and got a rancher, I cannot do steps, hills etc. I don’t have a scooter yet, but I see it coming in my future. Most of my side affects from treatments are not visible to the naked eye, but trust me I have many. Kidney issues, heart failure, cornea issues to name a few. So when you see someone on a scooter that may look completely fine.....they may not be. I beat the Leukemia, but not without many many complications, that will put me in a scooter if I choose to continue being involved in what I love.

Chief of the 60s,

I know handicapped parking permits are abused. And many people don't have the permits simply park in the handicap spaces for convenience. My father-in-law was diagnosed with Multiple Schlerosis (MS) around 1975 or so, when he was 45. I met my wife in 1978, and watched him slowly lose the abilty to walk. The last time he walked was at our wedding, he was barely able to walk her down the aisle. She was barely able to keep him upright. During his early years with MS, there was no concerted effort to provide provisions for the disabled. In 1990, the Americans with Disabilities act greatly improved conditions for people like my father-in-law. It infuriated me to see what appeared to be healthy people parked in handicapped spots. Some had the placards or tags, and I suspected they belonged to someone else. Some just parked in the spots with no placard or tag.

My sister also has MS and is now in a wheel chair. Her and her husband bought a handicapped van. There have been numerous occasions where some moron parked in the area between handicapped spaces intended for use with wheel chair lifts. Most of the time these morons also didn't have the proper placard or tag.

I have a temporary handicapped permit that was issued to me for use after surgery. It is valid until October, and to date I have only used it once, and that was the day of my surgery. I got around just fine on my crutches, and there was no way I was going to occupy a handicapped spot when there might be someone who needs it more than I did.

Mary-Ann,

I wish you luck in your recovery. I watched my next door neighbor battle lukemia for probably the last six or seven years. I mowed his yard occasionally for a couple of years because he was unable to mow it. He survived but the battle took its toll. He sold his house a few months ago and downsized because he didn't have the stamina to take care of it any more.

My mother has a heart valve condition that requires surgery that she will not get. She has low blood pressure and balance problems. Severe arthritis behind her knee cap makes walking difficult, and comfortable sleep a luxury. She has a cane for travel and a walker for home use. To get through the day she needs several naps because she has very little energy, a result of the heart valve problem.
For 2 years I've waited for a chance to take her on a vacation. Her health has kept me from doing that, even though she wants to go.
Tomorrow my wife is buying the wheel chair that my Mom is too proud to use. It's going in the back of the SUV, and when we reach the mountains of Tennessee it will be nearby if needed. I hope she's not offended!
84 years old and tough as nails!

One time - when the show was held in a private location with restricted access.

Life is short, enjoy it. Don't let things like this bother ya.

I too was at Norwalk and was surprise to see Polaris RAZRs, JD Gators, dirt bikes, etc allowed. To me there is a solution for this and it is designated parking in areas of interest like the swap, show, and pits. The grand stands have areas to park so they are fine. It is the show field and swap which should be walked or 4 wheel scooters only. Also should only be golf carts or 4 wheel scooters at the venue in my opinion on paved surface.

You people that are bothered by a scooter at a car show that covers
acres of ground seriously need to get a life. You thirty year olds that are bitching
will change your tune in a hurry if you get a bad knee or back or severe arthritis
when you get older. If you can't stand crowds or scooters at a car show, perhaps you should keep your car at home in the garage.

I doubt there are many "thirty year olds" making valid contributions to this thread.... or posting in this thread at all.

Why so defensive?