Originally Posted by ErikW (Post 6066755)

Another link https://www.stainlessheaders.com/pro..._Turbo_Header/

Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 6067047)

Cool, Erik.
What was the price?
$799 or $1600?


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Originally Posted by Tom Vaught (Post 6067124)

$799 is a very good deal for a PAIR of stainless manifolds,

Could not tell if the add was saying one piece or two pieces.

The first link shows ONE header, not TWO Headers and the Number of parts says ONE
Why I assumed 1600 for a SET.

Tom V.

Originally Posted by STAINLESS HEADERS

The initial set up will come with:

(2) 1/2" thick 304 SS header flanges with a 2" round port in the header flange.

-The flanges for the 3" bolt space AFR/Dart heads come with a custom machine job, utilizing the same port shape and smoothly transitioning to 2" round for a smooth, laminar flow.

(8) Purge Tig Welded primaries coped into a compound manifold, made of 0.120" heavy wall pipe, 304 SS.

(2) Compound log manifolds with a 2 1/2" outside diameter, kept tight against the engine block for tight engine bay applications, ending with a 2 1/2" v-band flange for additional modular components

Originally Posted by taff2 (Post 6067432)

Air Ram, I used ordinary factory cast iron manifolds reversed-I don't think the Ram air manifolds were out then, it was over 20 years ago so I don't have any pics,sorry. The manifold outlets pointed down and came out near cylinders 1 & 2, I had the T4 sized turbos set up in front of the engine and used 2" 'J' pipes to the turbine housings. This was in a European car so I can't say how they would fit in your car, but later on when I switched to naturally aspirated,I swapped a set of Hedman headers side to side so that I could bring the 90 degree collectors out through the front fenders . (it was too tight to get the headers under the car pointing rearwards).

Originally Posted by 70 bird (Post 6066768)

Looks very nice! If they fit.

Originally Posted by ErikW (Post 6067721)

I will make them fit. Lol
And yes, they were $799 delivered for the pair

Originally Posted by Stainless Header Mfg -Email

Hey Nick,

That’s great to hear! Not sure why the first one you came across was for the Airboat version, here is a link to the automotive page: https://www.stainlessheaders.com/pro..._Turbo_Header/

They are exactly the same product, just available on different parts of the website for various applications.

As for pricing, that $799.90 is for a PAIR of the log manifolds, in American Made 304 Stainless, 0.120” thick tubing. All hand-crafted, hand-welded.

Was the order placed within the last day or two? If so, then that’s great! I should have that ready to go shortly.

I’ll get an account made up on the forum and add any details, if that works for the group?

Also, group purchases are always welcome. If we can get multiple sets going at one time, we can also look at price discounts for group orders. I will just need some advance notice to get quantities of ½” slotted flanges stocked up. (1-2 weeks should be enough time)

I am headed out of the shop in about 2 minutes, but I will chime in on the forum tonight, and keep in touch tomorrow through this email.

Side note, I’m actually a huge Pontiac guy myself, I have a ’78 T/A I built and have been daily driving since I was 16. So seeing all this interest in the Pontiac Log Manifolds really gets me excited.

If you have any pressing questions after hours (I’m in the shop 8 am-5pm CST M-F), you can always email me at my personal email as well: [email protected].

Otherwise, I look forward to checking out the forum tonight!

Thanks a lot,

Steve Zimmerman
Stainless Headers Mfg., Inc
Phone: 651-448-8661 Fax: 651-448-8675
1135 North 7th Street
Lake City, MN 55041

[http://www.stainlessheaders.com]www....essheaders.com

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Originally Posted by Stainless Headers Mfg., Inc

Hey Nick,

So unfortunately those turbo log headers are currently not an option for the stock Pontiac heads. The two center ports are so tight together, using the 2” OD, .120” tubing we use for our other systems just simply doesn’t fit. There could be a way to squeeze that together, and even weld it at the flange, since it can be welded from the back side of the tubes, and back up inside. However, making the cutouts and copes on those tubes when it would meet up to the main log itself, and trying to get that piece welded is a much more difficult process. I’m sure it can be done, but not for $799.90.

I definitely understand the market and availability of these heads, but the exhaust port design makes this style of fabricated manifold very, very difficult.

The other two flanges pictured are what we carry for the Ram Air IV style heads, and they fit the Edelbrock and KRE style heads, as well as the factory design, and whatever other aftermarket heads exist with that design. Those only differ in the port design, and for these turbo manifolds, the round port works for both the ‘d-port’ as well as the round port, as the round port encompasses the entire ‘d-port’.

Also, we do carry the flanges for the Ram Air V heads, just no current demand/design for a log-style manifold to fit that style of head yet. If that does come up, and someone wishes to help us with a design on the Ram Air V heads, we would certainly welcome help with setting those up as well!

Hopefully I’m able to keep answering questions well enough for everyone up at the forum through here. I signed up last week for the forum, but still haven’t been given posting or reply permissions. So, for now, having you showing everyone these emails works!

I would be more than happy to include Erik’s order in with the rest of the group. If/when the group is able to come together and process all those manifolds, I will definitely refund him whatever the difference results in.

Thanks,

Steve Zimmerman
Stainless Headers Mfg., Inc
Phone: 651-448-8661 Fax: 651-448-8675

1135 North 7th Street
Lake City, MN
55041

[http://www.stainlessheaders.com]www....essheaders.com

Originally Posted by Stainless Headers Mfg., Inc

Hey Nick,

Not sure if it will work or not yet, but we did come up with another idea for the stock D-port heads today during one of our meetings. We may be able to run our current design of turbo manifold, but as a 3-tube runner. Meaning, we would combine the two center cylinders into one larger tube, accommodating the overall flow requirements, and then run just the single tube into the log manifold. With the primaries being so short, I don’t feel there will be any significant impact from the loss of individual tube set up.

I’m making a quick drawing right now, with a potential 3D model to follow. If you want to run it by the forum, and see their thoughts, it might be a solution to that design as well!

Thanks,

Steve Zimmerman
Stainless Headers Mfg., Inc

Originally Posted by Current Group Buy List

1) Erik B - (Will be refunded difference)
2) AIR RAM (Nick) (Round Port)
3) Mysticmissle (JEFF) (roundports)
(First Price point) Qty 3: $784.90
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Originally Posted by Stainless Headers Mfg., Inc

Hey Nick,

Here is a (rough) rendering of what that Pontiac turbo header would look like. Pardon the poor fitment on a couple of the tubes, I was using existing CAD modeled parts to make the rendering up quicker, just to give an idea of what the system will look like.

The overall dimensions and fitment will be identical to the Ram Air IV style turbo header (assuming fitment is good for most applications).

The dual-center tube expansion also will not be visible past the flange.

Let me know what you guys think!

Thanks,

Steve Zimmerman
Stainless Headers Mfg., Inc

Originally Posted by Current Group Buy List

1) Erik B - (Will be refunded difference)
2) AIR RAM (Nick) (Round Port)
3) Mysticmissle (JEFF) (roundports)
(First Price point) Qty 3: $784.90
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Originally Posted by firechicken (Post 6069779)

Similar to how I did my manifolds for d ports. They work fine...

Originally Posted by JC455 (Post 6069963)

This is GREAT stuff! I think there should be posts to link in to the Street, Race, and Exhaust sections to get more exposure...
I SO want to do this, but I'm upside down, cash wise, right now :-/
The D-port (REAL D-ports, not the Round port as a D) design sounds very promising. I'm guessing A, F, X, and B bodies could use the same manifold.

Originally Posted by mysticmissle (Post 6070253)

jut to confirm ehead dports or kre dports can be accomodated in this group buy? I am trying to drag some of my buddies in lol

Originally Posted by STAINLESS HEADERS

**Not compatible with standard Pontiac "D-Port"

Originally Posted by Current Group Buy List

1) Erik B - (Will be refunded difference)
2) AIR RAM (Nick) (Round Port)
3) Mysticmissle (JEFF) (roundports)
(First Price point) Qty 3: $784.90
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Originally Posted by mysticmissle (Post 6070615)

thanks Nick, i will keep pushing, one has kre ds the other has ehead ds

Originally Posted by Steve with Stainless Headers EMAIL

Hey Nick,

Sorry for the delay on the reply, I’ve been out of the office a bit the last few days fighting the flu.

But, glad to hear the general consensus is a good one. I can get some flanges ordered up to keep in stock if we do get some of those ordered as well. Should be to have flanges and material ready within 2-3 weeks on the set up.

I’m not sure if its been asked or not yet, but unfortunately, since the two headers (Ram Air vs Stock D-Port) require different set ups and material bends, I cannot incorporate both designs into the same group pricing. (As in, 3 Ram Air headers and 2 D-port headers will not equal a group order of 5 turbo headers.)

However, if both group orders are able to get ordered within a week or so of each other, pricing will be equivalent across both designs.

(We usually charge an additional fee for new turbo header designs- due to tooling and fixture time) However, we will waive the set up fee if we can do a group order on the D-Port header as well.

Thanks again!

Steve Zimmerman
Stainless Headers Mfg., Inc
1135 North 7th Street
Lake City, MN 55041

Phone: 651-448-8661
Fax: 651-448-8675

Originally Posted by RAM AIR-V / ROUND PORT Group Buy List

1) Erik B - (Will be refunded difference)
2) AIR RAM (Nick) (Round Port)
3) Mysticmissle (JEFF) (roundports)
(First Price point) Qty 3: $784.90
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Originally Posted by 455TA (Post 6074378)

I'm interested in a set for round ports. Do you think they will work on the driver side with a March Serpentine kit, along with power steering? Or will I need to do away with the power steering? I want to run a single s480 turbo mounted on the passenger side.

Originally Posted by Steve with Stainless Headers EMAIL

Hey nick,

Sorry for the late reply here, I clearly missed your email Wednesday morning when I got into the office!

I certainly understand the reversion, wave propagation, and AFR/lambda issues that can happen with the open tube design. However, I don’t see any reason why I shouldn’t be able to offer both designs, just at different price points. The open center tube design, although somewhat flawed, could still be a practical, relatively cheap solution to a lot of problems, assuming people would be willing to make that compromise with the center tubes. The split center port design, using your “c-tube” idea, could be labeled then as the performance edition, for those who have either the knowledge, or care, to chase for something better.

Unfortunately there would have to be a definitive price difference, as the “c-tube” center port design will be considerably more fabrication than the single center tube. But, it would make sense for those who need it.

Estimated price points would be starting at $799.90 and $924.95 respectively. Both of which are very much still options to use on the group buy for these Pontiac manifolds.

Let me know your thoughts!

Thanks,

Steve Zimmerman
Stainless Headers Mfg., Inc
Phone: 651-448-8661 Fax: 651-448-8675
1135 North 7th Street
Lake City, MN 55041

Originally Posted by RAM AIR-V / ROUND PORT Group Buy List

1) Erik B - (Will be refunded difference)
2) AIR RAM (Nick) (Round Port)
3) Mysticmissle (JEFF) (roundports)
(First Price point) Qty 3: $784.90
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Originally Posted by 68azbird (Post 6066747)

Nope
Built my own a year ago

Originally Posted by ErikW (Post 6068166)

Got a build update picture today from the guy building my headers. He said they'll be out the door today. :D He took that picture last night before he went home. Very nice guy named Steve.