Low VIN '70 Bird on eBay
 

This one has the lowest VIN of any I've ever seen. Base Bird, built 12C 1969. Same week as the other low VIN cars I've seen, so that must have been the pilot production week.

The car is in very rough shape...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Pontia...sAAOSwSeVd0vhk

Wow....that's cool!

the low build is neat, but there's not much there to start off with;
is that a fan shroud for an inline six?

Don't know what that shroud is?
Off some other brand of car?

There is nothing left of the original car there really?
About everything removable is removed?

Interesting to see the PHS on that one.


:)

Cool low production for sure but 10k? What the...... It's a basket full of "A whole lot of need"

Nothing special about that one other than the very early build..

My dog says, "RUFF"..:rolleyes:

Wonder what material the tail panel is made from if original?

Should be metal if original to the car.

I’m confused- what am I not seeing? I agree 10k is high, but I don’t know that I would say it’s out of this world high for a running and driving 70-73? It is pretty beat up but I would think 5k would be light?

This one is # 223870N600035 Both these early cars are 6 cylinder cars. ( based on the Core support in the Ebay car) Car 00035 still retains its original driveline, and metal tail panel.
https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...4&d=1574213758

Ebay car VIN is 223870N100013

The bold number one just to the right of the "N" denotes the car was born an eight cylinder.

Ah, yes, that I did miss.

Wish people would stop calling everything a clone, especially when clearly not. Sure, it has one or two features that were found on a TA, hooray. You don't call a TA with plain hood an Esprit clone, it's a TA that is still in search of a replacement hood, or whatever. It's not a selling point, it's just a 50 year old vehicle with mismatched details. I'd have called it a Formula clone before a TA since the hood is more prominent than a few fender bits. Seen a lot worse get restored, or saved rather.

Fiberglass. I asked


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This '70 TA is on eBay right now. Norwood VIN sequence 100355; date code on trim tag is first week of January, 1970 (01A), although the car wasn't shipped until May 1970.

It's the earliest built '70 T/A I've seen from either plant. Has anyone seen an earlier '70 T/A VIN or Trim Tag date?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/16721115212...Bk9SR5SH7NCAZQ

Was a 997 car, hence the 5%.
When did the WS4 start showing up on the tags?

Many years ago (mid-1980s, I think), I parted out an early 1970 T/A. I don't remember what the cowl panel data plate showed.

It was an oddity. It had the pot metal tail panel, the trunk pan had small round drain plugs in addition to the oval ones, and the WS block did not have the VIN stamped into it. Cast dates were late 1969. I ran the VIN and got the build sheet, this was back before PHS and Pontiac would send them to you for free. I also rememeber the PHS showing a 3 - 4 month difference between when it was built and when it shipped.

I have seen odd things before on a PHS. I found a rough 1969 GTO that the build sheet showed it was delivered to Pontiac engineering. The build sheet for this T/A didn't show anything to indicate where it might have been for those months. It was a 4-spd a/c car.

My buddy's 01C Norwood T/A has the WS4 on the tag. This one's the first Norwood car I've seen without it. This must have been a promo car. What is the 997 your referring too?

This one's a beauty. Maybe a promo car... There's an L100343 is listed on the SD Registry.

A 997 car is Engineering Dept. Car would have used for testing, maybe by an employee driving it to and from work (usually a 3 month period). Or, other things. Would have loved to have the mileage listed in invoicing, but probably low enough because of the only 5%.

It's not too surprising that an early car might have gone to Engineering.

Would there have been an earlier "first" invoice that indicated the initial delivery to PMD Engineering?


The additional holes in the trunk floor were there until about mid-May of '70. The metal tail panel came on so few cars that I haven't been able to figure out when they phased out, but I would expect this eBay car was originally built with one.

There were other early things that phased out quickly, like extra screws at the base of the interior A-Pillar trim and e-coat vent holes at the top of the rear wheel houses.

Probably not. But, PHS should be asked in case something was added/deducted because of testing.

As HFR said - the dealer code for PMD Engineering is 35-997.

These are for the '63 Super Duty cars but you can see some other cool dealer codes listed here:

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This TA was probably used at the 70 Firebird Roll out, and was a floor car there. ( pics exist). I remember in 1980 seeing a very low # TA at carlise for sale, I saved that vin, but finding it.... Anyway, would explain the ship date. Also this car " May" have 2 PHS ( we have seen a few cars with 2 PHS docs. )

Geez that’s a beautiful Trans Am.