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GTOWAGON 12-14-2019 05:01 PM

1931 Coupe Update
 
This is Chris Beierling's (gtowagon) wife. I just wanted to share that his 1931 Pontiac Coupe will be at the Mecum Auction in Kissimmee Florida on January 4th. I am hoping to get the word out so we can get a good turnout for the sale. I figured the best way to spread the word is through his favorite forum. I also want to thank the Pontiac community for the outpouring of love and support I've received over the last nine months.

OZZIEVILLE 67 2 door 12-14-2019 06:43 PM

I wish you luck with the sale

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Jeff Hamlin 12-14-2019 08:43 PM

Amazing build! I wish you all the best with this sale.
 
https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0120-39...pe-street-rod/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_PIWBCjpH4

Never had the opportunity to cross paths with Chris at our OHC 6 Reunion, but are interaction on this site and others will never be forgotten.

Old Goat 67 12-15-2019 06:38 AM

Truly Pontiac Perfection!

Best of luck Mrs. Beierling!

bird72 12-15-2019 01:23 PM

Best luck on sale, and thoughts to you during Holiday times.

gtospieg 12-15-2019 06:24 PM

I hope the car does well at the auction. I met Chris at the '18 GTO Nats in Pa. I had a chance to talk to him about the car and all the work that went into it....I was really looking forward to seeing his GTO wagon come to life. Does anyone know what's going on with that?

Brian Baker 12-16-2019 01:25 AM

Had a long sit for the last time with Chris at Norwalk-2018, not long after the coupe was fully completed. He was one down to Earth guy, passionate about Pontiacs.

Jack Gifford 12-16-2019 01:45 AM

I'm glad to have spent good times with Chris and his '31 at the Vintage Festival at Watkins Glen (2018?). His coupe was very well received.

Jeff Hamlin 01-04-2020 06:56 PM

And just like that it's gone...
 
...https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3cb764b5_b.jpg

694.1 01-04-2020 07:55 PM

Thank You Jeff.

433lemans 01-04-2020 08:02 PM

Here's hoping the new owner will check in here.

Bob Dillon 01-05-2020 12:22 AM

Sickeningly cheap. :confused:

400 4spd. 01-05-2020 12:47 AM

Based on photos I felt it was worthy of hitting 50+. But based on auction history, I feel the street rods, restorations and customs fall short, while the resto mods bring the money.

bird72 01-05-2020 03:03 AM

I hope this helps his wife, in some way. I'm sure she would rather have the car with Chris in it.

Brian Baker 01-05-2020 04:37 AM

For those of us who missed it because we were either working or sleeping, what did it cross the block for?

Jim Zeek 01-05-2020 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Hamlin (Post 6097325)

36k

Jeff Hamlin 01-05-2020 08:04 AM

I thought it big enough to see ;)

The reserve was lifted at around 30 so they must have felt comfortable letting it go.
Lets face face it the interest in these cars is rapidly fading, as are we.

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goatless 01-05-2020 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 400 4spd. (Post 6097428)
Based on photos I felt it was worthy of hitting 50+. But based on auction history, I feel the street rods, restorations and customs fall short, while the resto mods bring the money.

Having seen the car in person and having spent some time talking with Chris during construction, I can tell you that I expected it to do better. I guess it being unique and "different" hurt it in that setting. If it were a fiberglass bodied '32 Ford with an LS motor on a Rod Shop chassis, it would have brought two or three times what it brought. :rolleyes:

It is a really beautiful build, with no corners cut anywhere. If I had any idea it would sell in that price range I would have seriously considered buying. I hope the new owner appreciates it for what it is.

77 Canamman 01-05-2020 10:22 AM

That price is insulting. The car is a masterpiece.

Jim Zeek 01-05-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 77 Canamman (Post 6097471)
That price is insulting. The car is a masterpiece.

yes it is. i think if the price was a little more realistic at Norwalk it would have been purchased by a Pontiac enthusiast. I don't know who got it now. but most of the time auction cars end up back at the auction or for sale elsewhere for more $$$.

dhutton 01-05-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Zeek (Post 6097506)
yes it is. i think if the price was a little more realistic at Norwalk it would have been purchased by a Pontiac enthusiast. I don't know who got it now. but most of the time auction cars end up back at the auction or for sale elsewhere for more $$$.

What was the price at Norwalk?

Don

66sprint6 01-05-2020 08:32 PM

Sorry to say that he's right, though. The old saying is: it's worth what someone will pay for it. I love the car. The engine is a jewel. The whole car in fact. But I know that I am in a very narrow cohort of people that would even consider buying Chris's car. Even so, I would have a mint A or F Body first. Consider that the buyer doesn't know the back story like we do. I just hope that most of that money goes to where it's supposed to.

68 461 Bird 01-05-2020 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Zeek (Post 6097506)
yes it is. i think if the price was a little more realistic at Norwalk it would have been purchased by a Pontiac enthusiast. I don't know who got it now. but most of the time auction cars end up back at the auction or for sale elsewhere for more $$$.

Jim is right on this, I remember seeing a $100,000 or best offer on this car. If they were willing to accept $36K why not price it at $50K or b/o at Norwalk??

goatless 01-05-2020 10:29 PM

While I do agree that there there is a somewhat limited market for some of our unique Pontiacs, thats doesn't mean that they're worth nothing. Anyone who has seen Chris' '31 in person would know the level it was built to. Just because there weren't two people in the room at that auction, on that day that were willing to pay more than $36K doesn't mean that is the definitive value. We've all seen some stupid low prices on nice cars (all kinds, not just Pontiacs) at some of these televised auctions lately. My feeling is that there are just too many auctions, and this particular auction lasts for 10 days! How on Earth do you keep top bidders in the room and excitement up for a week and a half?

Mr Anonymous 01-06-2020 09:52 AM

Loved that car, saw it at Norwalk. Took some time to walk around that car and truly appreciate it. One of a kind, definitely. But as was said, it sold for what it was worth to someone at that point in time. And if the guy truly enjoyed putting the car together, you really can't put a price on his satisfaction with the finished product. That would be hard to quantify. Has to be a lot of pride there for sure.

People gravitate toward the cars they wanted when they were in high school and couldn't afford or be able to build. Get older, get more $, buy the car you always wanted. I'm 49. The musclecar era cars were already out of my price range in 1986 when I got my license. What was popular then for high school kids? The ten year old Mid-70s Cutlass, Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, etc. And the new at the time G-body 78-88 cars. Mid 90s on, the g-body cars were crazy cheap, there were tons of them, weren't worth much. I spent my evenings, weekends, etc buying them blown up, replacing the engines (often times with a near free SBC), and if I couldnt make $1000 per car, I didnt bother. T-top cars, whatever.

As people get older and out of the hobby for any variety of reasons, the types of cars they collected drop in price due to either supply or desire. And to my surprise, the G-body cars are now bringing more money than I expected them to ever reach. I still have an 87 Olds cutlass salon, and an 84 Hurst/Olds, and maybe theyll figure into my retirement plan.

TAKerry 01-06-2020 09:57 AM

It seemed like a pretty fair price in my head. Hot rods have a limited appeal to the buying public. Most that want these kind of cars build them to their personal taste, they dont buy what someone else built. I have never seen this car, nor did I know the owner/builder but it does look like a well put together rod and quite unique. I agree with Chief on this one, it was worth what at least 2 people were willing to spend, just like any car at auction. I too think that Pontiacs are undervalued, I know of a real 69 trans am that has been languishing around 100k for a long time now. For all of the Monday morning quarterbacks that think this couple was sold too cheap, why weren't y'all bidding?

Chief of the 60's 01-06-2020 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TAKerry (Post 6097757)
It seemed like a pretty fair price in my head. Hot rods have a limited appeal to the buying public. Most that want these kind of cars build them to their personal taste, they dont buy what someone else built. I have never seen this car, nor did I know the owner/builder but it does look like a well put together rod and quite unique. I agree with Chief on this one, it was worth what at least 2 people were willing to spend, just like any car at auction. I too think that Pontiacs are undervalued, I know of a real 69 trans am that has been languishing around 100k for a long time now. For all of the Monday morning quarterbacks that think this couple was sold too cheap, why weren't y'all bidding?

And IMO, '69 T/A's should be in the COPO Camaro price range, but unfortunately they're not.

Face it, if its not a Chevy or has a Hemi, its not going to draw big money and in the case of this hot rod, its not a '32 Ford 3 window coupe with a V8.

GTOnly70 01-06-2020 02:09 PM

It's a great build, obviously, but that car was never going to sniff $100k - at the auction or on any other day. I agree with the sentiment that had the car been priced realistically at the beginning, it may have brought a bit more than the final auction price.

GTOWAGON 01-06-2020 08:15 PM

GTOWagon wife
 
Thanks to all of you for your support and encouragement. I realize some were put off by my original asking price of $100k. I started there because frankly, it is worth every bit of $100k. And, unlike many car wives, I actually know how much money Chris had into it. That coupled with the thousands of hours he put into the build, I felt I had to at least try to get a higher price for it. If I had been offered $36k at Norwalk, I would not have taken it. I needed to try to get somewhere near its actual value. I now realize the market is not favorable for that kind of money. I was finally ready to accept less at auction because I am at a point where I would rather see the car go to a good home where it will be driven and maintained, than see it sit in my basement and collect dust. I am 100% satisfied with the sale price and thrilled to have the car get the attention it did this weekend. I was able to showcase Chris's amazing work on a level I could not have otherwise reached. It's really more about making sure I did him justice than the final price.

Old Goat 67 01-06-2020 08:32 PM

God Bless you dear.

Your husband was a true craftsman!
We were enthralled with his posts every time!

Stuart 01-06-2020 10:17 PM

I cleaned up some of the bickering in this thread. It is a very impressive car, but unfortunately it does come down to what the market will bear for a 1930s hot rod that's not a Ford...that's just the way it is.

Heybuck 01-07-2020 05:51 AM

Over the years I have seen plenty of hot rods being sold over here. I haven't seen many being sold by auction - auctions over here are more often held for collector cars.

But what I have observed is, whatever the car is and how its sold, its rarely left in the condition it was sold in. The new buyer develops an urge to "Improve" it. Change the wheels, change the colour, "enhance" the engine and so on.

Often that's a great shame but I think it boils down to the fact that when someone buys another persons work, they want to put their own signature on it. They don't want to be seen driving another persons handiwork. I think its a matter of pride.

Of course there are others (most probably not so many), that greatly respect the work done by the previous owner and leave things as they bought the car.

But the bottom line is very few buyers will pay what the original owner has put into the car. They just see it as an opportunity without doing the hard yards.

JMHO Ian:ausflag::ausflag::ausflag:

Firedup6975 01-07-2020 03:09 PM

Although I’m not really a Street Rod fan, I have many friends with them, like this one that I have seen in person, the guys who have them are very passionate about them, and BIG bucks go into them I’m positive who ever got it will have that same passion Chris did, if I had to guess he will be smiling down from above. :) to see his passion moving forward.

694.1 01-07-2020 08:23 PM

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Well said, Heybuck. You immediately brought to mind what has become known as "Monkey Christ"
Let's hope the new owner resists the temptation :)


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