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FUTURE COLLECTIBLES
Just for conversation sake, what late model Pontiacs do you think may be future collectibles. Say 1987 up to the end of Pontiac
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89 Turbo TA
99 30th Anniversary TA 02 CETA One could make a case for the G8 and the Solstice. |
94 pace car and Solstice GXP!
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Solstice with the PY AMES 67 GTO Metal Grill Repop.
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‘02 WS6 Convertible
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4th Gen Ram Air cars
GTA Trans Am 87-92 Formula with correct options 87-92 89 20th anniversary 94 25th anniversary 99 30th anniversary Firehawk G8 GT (especially GXP) Solstice (especially GXP) GTP Grand Prix 04-06 GTO (especially 06) We started collecting these cars in about 2002 and have quite a few of the late 80’s to 00’s cars. |
it will be what ever some kid had as his/her first Pontiac.40 yrs later looking to reconnect. All of the above and more.
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The kid that in 1964 had a 6 cylinder Tempest today restores a 1964 GTO, Same is true with other makes. The kid with the 6 cylinder or base V-8 Mustang restores a Boss of the same year. Jon. |
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In addition to many of the cars already listed - the Bonneville SSEI. I had a '92 and it was really an impressive car to drive. Good looks, excellent performance (3.8L supercharged engine) and extremely fun to drive.
https://img.favcars.com/pontiac/bonn...e_1992_2_b.jpg |
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Every WS6 came equipped with Ram Air. |
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It will be interesting to see how GTO’s and G8’s survive. Parts are a pain to find. There just weren’t that many made
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Should be but probably never will.
The 1989 and 1990 AWD Pontiac 6000. The only AWD "car" Pontiac ever made. The car was only a few hundred dollars less than the top of the line Bonneville. https://www.automobilemag.com/upload...STE-AWD-01.jpg |
Future collectible Pontiacs will be first cars of that generation just like today, or low production models with high option content, and top powertrains. No different than today. A few that come to mind have been posted, Top pics to me would be the Solstice GXP coupe, Top Firebird models, GXP Grand Prix. 1988 Fiero GT, 84 Indy model. It's a safe bet all those will be worth more than they cost new in 20 more years. Notice I didn't include the reborn GTO. I think they will have some collector value, but they were expensive when new and they are a good used car buy right now. I see fair examples all the time in the 10-12K range. A great performance value, but future collectible? Bit of a gamble IMO. The power of wanting that "first car" back again can't be overlooked. Otherwise, how can anyone explain the mid second generation F body craze happening right now?
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I think the new era GTO will be collectible. It definitely has a following, the price was in line with a 2002 Ram Air TA and the value seems to be holding. In TX nice examples seem to be in the 15 -20k range.
I leased mine new for 25k and the payoff was 12k. My dad paid it off and still has it. I think it has 42k on it now. |
Much maligned and underrated, I still believe the 04-06 will find a niche market when they're about 20 years old. still only 14-16 YO at this point. the low mile well preserved ones are asking as much as $25,000, but asking, and selling are not the same, obviously.
I tend to be biased because I bought mine with 162 miles on it in 2006, it still puts a smile on my face everytime I drive it, almost 15 years and 140,000 miles later. The only thing I dislike about it is the stock rubber strut bushings and bearings need replacing about every 60,000 miles, my car has had it done twice, and is in need of it again. The front suspension, while working well, just has some engineering shortcomings as far as durability, and ability to hold front end alignment settings in the long term. I believe I'm going to use the poly style bushings this time to see if that cures the quick deterioration of the rubber components. Lots of these cars were wrecked, and then cannibalized for the engines and transmissions. I've never seen any rust outs on them so far. The leather interior also needs a lot of conditioning and care, especially if the car sits in the sun most of the time. These 2 items are about the only things I've found that are major flaws in 15 years of ownership. |
As much as I like the G8 and both the G8 and newer GTO's have a following, the following is dropping off and I do not see them hanging around much longer due to the demise of Holden. The big problem is the availability of getting parts that exists even right now will give those cars a very early death.
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I don't see many of these cars as collectibles in 20 years.
First, everyone is assuming there will be gas to run them - not sure we will with all the regulatory expectations in the elimination of gasoline as we know it. No doubt you can alter the engine IF some form of pump gas is available. So if you have to convert the engine over to an E-85- propane, CNG, or electric, will people be willing to do this and how will it affect value, let alone originality and the car's collectible status? Get ready for Carbon Credits. No guess on how this will work, either on the fuel or the car itself. This will most likely discourage people from buying these older cars and driving them. I am sure it will be a sliding scale with the guys who have modified gas engines getting horrible gas mileage and pumping excess carbon and other poisonous gasses into the atmosphere paying the most. Parts sources. Many of these cars are made with a ton of plastic, rubber hoses, sensors, and computers. They deteriorate just setting about from humidity/moisture unless those who purchase them as investments plan on putting them into climate controlled storage lockers, warehouses, or other means. Will the restoration supply industry come up with all the parts needed to rebuild/restore such a car when some items will be specific to the make/model/year and justifying a short run may leave the rebuilder/restorer having to improvise or hope to find NOS. Will the aftermarket industry also be penalized by carbon credits when producing and offering those items that contribute to atmosphere pollutants like radical cams, big carbs, high compression pistons, exhaust systems, etc.? With the trend to install an LS motor & OD transmission and electronics into everything because HP & laptop adjustability (with turbo's making a comeback) is king with the up and coming collector/car enthusiast generation, will anyone care if the driveline is original and will it actually hurt resale value? Nope, I don't see the speculation in choosing what future cars will be collectables as I think 20-30 years from now the world will be a completely different place with computerized & self driven cars where you can just sit back and ride, watch a movie, get on the internet, chat with anyone around the world and not have to deal with the worries of actually sitting behind a steering wheel and using your brain to make decisions which control the car within the busy lanes of everyday traffic. And for those who insist on manually driving their cars, insurance rates will sky rocket due to the liabilities of doing such. |
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A Fiero just sold for 90 grand > https://www.hagerty.com/media/auctio...-record-90000/ Kinda takes a little steam out of all that typing you just did in your post. |
Don't know how many people here are Star Trek fans but in one of the later movies the opening sequence has a young James T Kirk driving his step-fathers C1 Corvette over a cliff while trying to evade the law. I figure if thats possible in the 23rd century, there's still hope yet. :3gears: :police:
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Some people have more money than brains. Ever been to the NPT Car Museum in Newport, Rhode Island? It has approx. 75 cars in it. They are all privately owned by assorted persons. These investors buy the high dollar, mostly foreign exotics and rare restored/original American cars, and then put them into a"museum" where they make money on entrance fees, and no doubt use the cars for tax right-offs. They do not drive them, thus the museum & display set-up. To drive them would lose their value. That is where a car like that will go, not driven on the road racking up miles. You should visit the museum, it's a good one and then you will better understand - the last produced Ford Pinto might pull 90K to some nut who sees it as an investment if it existed. To say that it will be a good pick 20-30 years from now is speculation and trying to predict the future markets. I would not give you a dime for the last built 0-mileage Ford Pinto anymore than I would throw 90K for a dud of a car, the Fiero - I remember them new and they were a horrible design and few wanted one. They were associated with engine fires and cars burning to the ground - but I guess you would not be aware of that 30 plus years later if you were not around when they were new. How do you feel about a low production 0- mileage Pontiac 1000 with the rare optional sport package? - The Pontiac 1000 Sport Package was offered for a little more fun behind the wheel, equipping black sport sideview mirrors, unique front and rear shock valving, a larger front stabilizer bar, an added rear stabilizer bar, cast aluminum wheels, a black rear spoiler, and sport stripes down the flanks. Now there would be a real 90K investment in today's market that would only increase in value 20-30 years from now. |
An '84 Fiero pulled over 60 grand and one of the last cars Steve Ames bought was a Chevy Chevette that he paid $12,500.00 for.
Jus' sayin' |
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I would think the WS6 6-spd manual tranny Firebirds, especially the later LS motored cars with the less common colors (like Sunset Orange Metallic). I think opinions are mixed on whether the convertibles will be worth more than the T-Top cars.
I think the Solstice GXPs (especially with manual trannies) and all Solstice Coupes will be sought after. For full disclosure, I bought a Sunset Orange WS6 6-spd T/A convertible about 15 years ago. I was looking for a GXP couple with a manual tranny a couple of years ago, but bought a Sky Redline with the manual instead. |
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A solstice GXP hard top is extremely rare- I want to say there were less than 10 made?
That or a GXP G8 would be the best ‘last’ Pontiac in my opinion |
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There was some TV show about rookie road course racers that exclusively used Solstice coupes. It was cool watching about 10 (or more) of these coupes at a time running on a road course. |
I'll throw this in the conversation. 1994, 25th anniversary TA.
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Just to clear up the confusion about how many 2009-10 Solstice GXP (turbo) coupes were made there were a total of 1266 coupes made. That includes 102 2009 preproduction cars that were sold to the public, and twelve 2010 preproduction cars that were also sold. Of that total there were 860 turbo coupes made, so actually more turbo cars were made than N/A coupes.
The harder info to come by is how many of the GXP coupes were made with a manual trans? I would have to go thru the spread sheet that one of the original coupe owners put together to find that out. I do know that 364 Manual transmission coupes were made, but that includes the non turbo models. I may be a bit biased as here is a picture of my Brazen Orange 2009 N/A Coupe. Just turned over 90,000 miles before I put it away for the winter. |
I was referring to total coupes not specific trim levels. After all, this is a Pontiac site, not a MoPar site where they split hairs down to how many were built with 78 ft./lbs. torque on the lug nuts vs. how many had 80 ft./lbs. of torque.
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My wife wants a Solstice coupe, and I found 2 of them for sale fairly close to us. The one has only 7400 miles, but is the base engine/automatic (fine for my wife to drive), guy wants $25,000 for it, any thoughts on value ??
According to high book value he's too high by about $14,000, they aren't recognized as valuable cars, just used cars, right at this point in time. |
None. The dressed up Camaro they called the TA and the Australian "GTO" may keep some value due to the performance aspect, but the rest of the crap "Pontiac" made in this time period is forgettable.
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While prices on the convertibles are all over the board, the coupes are relatively consistent. With prices in the $23k to $30k, $25k sounds about right for those miles. After my buddy passed, his wife got $25k for his '09 Turbo GXP with 10,000 miles. However, like with all cars for sale, some infatuated sellers will ask more and in some cases, way more. But they don't get it. Buyer's are only going to pay what they are going to pay. |
Let's all keep in mind that value does not and should not mean collectible. If you are buying any old car for its value you need to get out and leave that old car for someone that appreciates it on what it is, not what its worth.
I have one car that is 1 of 996 and one that is a 1 of 1 prototype. Couldn't put a price on these cars if I had to and don't really care. That is not why I have them. I have them because they are pieces of Pontiac's great past. |
I speculate that rather quickly (20-30yrs) fuel burning cars are going to be banned from major cities or outright everywhere, when that happens the value of all of them except the ultra rare museum type cars will be very low and very few will collect them. Banking on the listed Pontiacs to become collectable has a very short time line.
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"Inverse Blue 1999 Trans Am Convert, was that the only one made?
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We are decades away from having an infrastructure for electric vehicles.
Think of every city where you park on the street (which are the first to mandate electric vehicles). Are you going to run an extension cord from the house to slow charge the car? In the rain? How are they going to make every apartment complex install charging stations and pay for the electricity? Use common sense- we are a good 20 years from this being commonplace. |
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So in 25years who is going pay big money for a 2002 WS6 TA or maybe a 2006 GTO Would it be the guy who was 15-19 at the time it was built is 33-37 now and will be 53-57 20 years from now when ICE powered cars are starting to be outlawed? BTW how many forum members here are under 40? and how many 30-35yr.old guys/gals are into cool cars and even more important American ones and specifically Pontiacs? Too many cool Asian and European cars built and sold during the same time frame, the buying pool is much smaller. |
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No one as of yet has answered the question. Too many "look at me" people vs. true car collector here? |
I think money equals collectible. If it is desirable then there will be competitive bids for it which will drive the price up.
I’m 45 and have a pretty significant collection. I have high school kids from the neighborhood in my garage all the time. I let them drive the cars around the block to get a feel for them- they love it. True- they do have a lot of foreign cars to choose from as well. My opinion is as long as they keep putting these cars in TV shows and movies we will be fine. |
So Steve Ames paying $12,500.00 for a Chevette makes it a "desirable collectible"?
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To someone- not me but someone
He didn’t pay 12k because he wanted- he paid 12k because someone else would pay 11k |
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