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jamesq 10-25-2021 06:09 PM

1963 wagon progress
 
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So while the back seat and all the hard cargo area parts are at the upholsterer, I decided to tackle the cargo floor area of my 63 Bonneville wagon.

First problem - I didn't have all the skid strips and couldn't find originals (big surprise). I ended up using polished stainless pickup bed strips, cut to size.. No engine turning in the flat parts, but you use what you can get!

Second problem - I was missing some of the 1/2" stainless border strips. Again, no luck finding originals. I ended up at a local sheet metal shop who cut me 40' (5x8') of polished 1/2" stainless with a 1/4" lip for $100. I thought it was a good deal!

I will have used almost three running yards of carpet when I finish the back of the back seat. An experienced person would probably have used less.....

This is the finished cargo area floor:

3fastgtos 10-25-2021 06:34 PM

Looks great, I just did the same thing. You’ll love it when it’s done.

ben3843100 10-25-2021 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesq (Post 6290019)
So while the back seat and all the hard cargo area parts are at the upholsterer, I decided to tackle the cargo floor area of my 63 Bonneville wagon.

First problem - I didn't have all the skid strips and couldn't find originals (big surprise). I ended up using polished stainless pickup bed strips, cut to size.. No engine turning in the flat parts, but you use what you can get!

Second problem - I was missing some of the 1/2" stainless border strips. Again, no luck finding originals. I ended up at a local sheet metal shop who cut me 40' (5x8') of polished 1/2" stainless with a 1/4" lip for $100. I thought it was a good deal!

I will have used almost three running yards of carpet when I finish the back of the back seat. An experienced person would probably have used less.....

This is the finished cargo area floor:


Looks great!


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pfilean 10-26-2021 10:47 AM

Looks nice. Great solution to the problem. Most people will never notice the difference and those who do already know the problems you face working the old stuff.

mgarblik 10-27-2021 12:06 AM

That looks very nice. Is this a Bonneville wagon? My 66 Catalina 9 passenger wagon had a hard embossed vinyl material in the areas you have carpeted. Your car is much nicer.

jamesq 10-27-2021 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mgarblik (Post 6290359)
That looks very nice. Is this a Bonneville wagon? My 66 Catalina 9 passenger wagon had a hard embossed vinyl material in the areas you have carpeted. Your car is much nicer.

Thanks, it is a Bonneville. I guess the trimmed-out cargo area was part of the price difference between the Catalina and Bonneville. The bodies are the same.
There is a 63 Catalina wagon on Ebay right now, the rear cargo area is much more plain.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11505792880...wAAOSwT3dhchlP

brucee70 10-29-2021 11:20 AM

Looks Great James !!

webfoot 10-29-2021 01:34 PM

Nice job!

mgarblik 10-29-2021 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesq (Post 6290403)
Thanks, it is a Bonneville. I guess the trimmed-out cargo area was part of the price difference between the Catalina and Bonneville. The bodies are the same.
There is a 63 Catalina wagon on Ebay right now, the rear cargo area is much more plain.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/11505792880...wAAOSwT3dhchlP

That E-Bay wagon has a nice body. Not crazy about the interior color, but a nice car overall. My Catalina wagon, (66), had a similar vinyl interior, better colors IMO. The cargo side of the interior panels where your are carpeted, had a very thick vinyl/rubber, deeply embossed and very tough material.

jamesq 10-29-2021 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mgarblik (Post 6291055)
That E-Bay wagon has a nice body. Not crazy about the interior color, but a nice car overall. My Catalina wagon, (66), had a similar vinyl interior, better colors IMO. The cargo side of the interior panels where your are carpeted, had a very thick vinyl/rubber, deeply embossed and very tough material.

The body does look good on that car. I am not crazy about the half-hearted effort to turn the Catalina into a Bonneville, It is a mish-mash of parts (wrong Bonneville emblem on the tailgate, it's from a trunk; extra rear lower quarter moldings and other stuff) but to each his own!
James Q

jamesq 03-14-2022 10:50 PM

New pics
 
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I got all my upholstery back!

This is everything installed, including the console, carpet, windlace, and all the garnish moldings.

Not having taken it apart, it was a bit of a learning experience to get the rear seat to attach to the floor and fold correctly, but three tries later, I was successful.

You'll notice there are no door panels....Paid for 15 months ago from SMS and still waiting...

No headliner yet, after fighting the windlace, I will have the headliner installed by an old school trim shop.

Thanks for looking,

James Q

brucee70 03-15-2022 04:13 AM

Very Nice !!!

JSchmitz 03-15-2022 05:32 AM

That is B.A.!

misterp266 03-15-2022 11:25 AM

Lookin’ good!

ben3843100 03-15-2022 11:56 AM

Looks great! I ordered a custom vinyl top from SMS for my ‘66 2+2 but luckily received it in 3 months or so. Hopefully they’ll get your door panels back to you soon.


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421mike 03-15-2022 06:23 PM

door pannels
 
Great looking car. As to the door panels, good luck, they will eventually get them to you if you live long enough. When you do get them they will be beautiful. Only took them 2+ years to get my 61 Bonneville panels done. Mike:eek:

omarsphatt 03-15-2022 09:57 PM

Looks great!

jamesq 06-12-2023 05:03 PM

Door panels!
 
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Much progress has been made, new headliner, rebuilt rear end and rear brakes, new front and rear wheel bearings and seals but.....

After 2 1/2 years my door panels showed up from SMS today!

I got the passenger sides installed today and will finish up tomorrow.

As everyone has said, they take forever but the panels look great!

James Q

61-63 06-12-2023 07:02 PM

Beautiful car!

webfoot 06-14-2023 12:52 PM

Those look awesome. Mine are allegedly being worked on this week and will be done soon.

Keith Seymore 06-14-2023 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesq (Post 6326707)
I got all my upholstery back!

This is everything installed, including the console, carpet, windlace, and all the garnish moldings.

Not having taken it apart, it was a bit of a learning experience to get the rear seat to attach to the floor and fold correctly, but three tries later, I was successful.

You'll notice there are no door panels....Paid for 15 months ago from SMS and still waiting...

No headliner yet, after fighting the windlace, I will have the headliner installed by an old school trim shop.

Thanks for looking,

James Q

Man! That interior is just beautiful - but I didn't bust into a smile until I saw that exterior shot.

K

jamesq 06-14-2023 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by webfoot (Post 6433424)
Those look awesome. Mine are allegedly being worked on this week and will be done soon.

Good luck, I started hearing that about two months ago....

James Q

mgarblik 06-15-2023 10:09 PM

Thanks for all the pics. You are doing a great job on that car. My favorite color combination. What a beauty. I may have missed it, but what is the running gear in that beast?

jamesq 06-15-2023 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mgarblik (Post 6433746)
Thanks for all the pics. You are doing a great job on that car. My favorite color combination. What a beauty. I may have missed it, but what is the running gear in that beast?

Thanks for the kind words!

It has its original running gear, 303hp 389, BWT-10 4-spd and 3.42 posi. It shows 69k miles, but I don't know if that's the first time around.

It will get a new (rebuilt) Lares PS box and rag joint next week.

I have a Tri-power setup for it and it will get some painting, so it's close to being as good as it's going to be!

James Q

jamesq 10-27-2023 03:41 PM

Project update
 
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Much has been accomplished since the last update:

1. Rear end rebuilt and resealed by a friend who's a former racer. He also completely replaced the rear brakes and put in new axle bearings.

2. New wheel bearings on the front end.

3. Door panels from SMS received and installed.

4. Painted the hood, upper front fenders, and rt rear quarter with a different buddy. This was a very frustrating experience, but came out ok in the end.
Shout out to Lashley Paint in Shreveport LA for a very close match to the existing paint!

5. Professionally detailed and ceramic coated.

The only thing I have left is to install the tri-power unit I have on the bench.

My plan is to drive it a bunch and make sure I haven't missed any mechanical issues before I put the 3x2's on.

James Q

Stuart 10-27-2023 05:04 PM

It looks great! People legitimately complain about the long lead times from SMS, but they do good work.
Was this originally a four speed car, or was it converted at some point? it's a real unicorn if it left the factory that way.

61-63 10-27-2023 05:52 PM

Beautiful car man!

mgarblik 10-27-2023 06:34 PM

Once again, great car, great colors. Pound for pound, that's one special machine!

jamesq 10-27-2023 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 6463508)
It looks great! People legitimately complain about the long lead times from SMS, but they do good work.
Was this originally a four speed car, or was it converted at some point? it's a real unicorn if it left the factory that way.

Thanks, it's a PHS confirmed 4-speed car.

The SMS door panels took 2 1/2 years to receive, but as many have said, they were worth the wait!

James Q

hurryinhoosier62 10-27-2023 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesq (Post 6463499)
Much has been accomplished since the last update:

1. Rear end rebuilt and resealed by a friend who's a former racer. He also completely replaced the rear brakes and put in new axle bearings.

2. New wheel bearings on the front end.

3. Door panels from SMS received and installed.

4. Painted the hood, upper front fenders, and rt rear quarter with a different buddy. This was a very frustrating experience, but came out ok in the end.
Shout out to Lashley Paint in Shreveport LA for a very close match to the existing paint!

5. Professionally detailed and ceramic coated.

The only thing I have left is to install the tri-power unit I have on the bench.

My plan is to drive it a bunch and make sure I haven't missed any mechanical issues before I put the 3x2's on.

James Q

Very nice!

jamesq 10-28-2023 08:40 AM

PHS picture
 
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Here is the PHS copy of the build sheet for those who are interested.

James Q

Stuart 10-28-2023 11:29 AM

4 speed, console, bucket seats, tach, posi rear end, all in a station wagon. It would be interesting to know more about the original owner, he must have been a hot rodder that had a family to haul around.

Cardo 10-28-2023 03:06 PM

I'm in love!! Love the long roofs!! Beautiful car!

jamesq 10-28-2023 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 6463618)
4 speed, console, bucket seats, tach, posi rear end, all in a station wagon. It would be interesting to know more about the original owner, he must have been a hot rodder that had a family to haul around.

I think it was built as a tow rig, but that's just a guess. It's effectively a 5-seat wagon, so the family might not have been very large!

James Q

Stuart 10-28-2023 10:48 PM

So this one doesn't have the third fold-down seat in the cargo area?

jamesq 10-28-2023 11:01 PM

No, for some reason, in 1963 Pontiac did not offer the third seat option in the Bonneville, only the Catalina.

James Q

Stuart 10-29-2023 01:36 AM

That's right, I wasn't thinking - I'm pretty sure it wasn't until 1965 or 1966 that the third seat was available in a Bonnevile.

carcrazy 10-29-2023 09:52 PM

Great looking car! Lots of fun in your future!

Heybuck 10-30-2023 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 6463730)
That's right, I wasn't thinking - I'm pretty sure it wasn't until 1965 or 1966 that the third seat was available in a Bonnevile.

'66 in a Bonneville I believe Stuart but in '65 you could get the third row seat in a Catalina.

Other years, I don't know about??

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Stuart 10-31-2023 12:54 AM

I checked through the factory brochures and yes, 1966 was the first year for the third seat in a Bonneville. Who knows why Pontiac did that.

I knew from personal experience they had them in 1966 - way back when, my high school girlfriend had a '66 Bonneville wagon. It was a heck of a car with a 421 and nearly every other option available.

Stuart 10-31-2023 12:54 AM

I checked through the factory brochures and yes, 1966 was the first year for the third seat in a Bonneville. Who knows why Pontiac did that.

I knew from personal experience they had them in 1966 - way back when, my high school girlfriend had a '66 Bonneville wagon. It was a heck of a car with a 421 and nearly every other option available.


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