Best bushed solid roller lifter ?
 

I was wondering your experiences with bushed roller lifters. I know they are not for very high spring pressures and I will not be running them in this engine.
I would imagine Jessel makes the best, if they even make a bushed lifter. But they are very expensive and not needed here.
So is it Isky Red Zone ? Crower ? Other brand ?
Who makes the best one for the money ?
No offset, std bore.
Thanks for any input on this.

I know they are not for very high spring pressures

Do your homework regarding that subject.

"With proper oil pressure and the correct lubricant, the bushing cannot only last longer, but by spreading the load over a greater area of the axle, the lifter can support higher spring pressures."

https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-te...oller-lifters/

One opinion from the internet....

"Just a note on the EZ roll bushing lifter and longevity; the bronze bushing lifter is not really made for "street" longevity. They are very sensitive to oil contamination and they will wear. They were really designed to withstand extreme rpm and extreme spring pressure in an endurance app, but they are a maintenance item, not a drop in and forget item. You'd honestly be better off with a needle bearing lifter."

https://www.yellowbullet.com/threads...aring.1011354/

Note- I'm not here to specifically recommend a Isky product. It just so happens the comments involved Isky. Personally I used Crower bushed solid roller lifters at one time.
Currently street only, now back to Crower solid roller lifters with needle bearings.



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These black mamba are perhaps the best solid roller lifter right now from what I hear:

https://www.lgmrnd.com/Black-Mamba-P...p/mrl-6498.htm

BAM with DLC coating is the best bang for the buck.

Paul - Do they provide a .903 lifter with the Pontiac tie bar? I assume yes, just asking since their website is limited. Do you know what those would cost?

Yes they do, I want to say somewhere around $950 with the DLC coated bushing

Were running the .904 Crower Solid Roller bushed lifters with HIPPO. So far so good. they are pricey.

If you run a bushed lifter wheel you better make darn sure you have plenty of oil going to them

We had very good luck with Crower bushed lifters in .903 and .937 configuration. Very high spring pressures, 450-480 lbs. closed, just over 1000 lbs open. No failures of roller, bushing, or body.

A lot of the Dragweek guys are now running the Bam lifters.

I use the BAM DLC's . There a real good lifter. They measure dead on ..

I know a vendor that gives really good prices on them .. I found him on Yellow bullet .. BAM doesn't sell to the public .

These.
https://iskycams.com/shop/index.php?...ndex&cPath=266

Several people I know run them with no problems. I just bought a set of .937
for my new build

When I spoke to Brad, he did not have the .904 lifter, perhaps not in an offset. I went with the BB Mopar lifter with a .210 offset.

To the OP, highly suggest a bushed lifter! Yes, Jesel does make one too.

Who is the member on YB?

My usual wait time has been about three weeks from BAM.

How did the Mopar lifters work for you?

I ran both Isky and crower bushed no issues

you have a pm..

I run .904 morel bushed, I also have wideport heads so I have an offset as well. Work great for me, no issues and I put a few street miles on in a year!

I bought a set of BAM bushed lifters from Kelvin Poe a few years ago now. He ran them for 1 dragweek season from memory and I put them into my street car. No restrictors in the lifter bores or restricted pushrods. Haven't checked the valves in a few years now but everything is still quiet as a mouse so no reason to assume anything has moved. 260lbs on the seat. 580lbs open. After my surgery I might bust off the valve covers and throw some feeler gauges on the valve stems, but it's not a priority to be honest with the way it's running.

I have run Isky and Crower 842 bushed lifters in all our drag engine combinations with no failures.

Fitment was good in all areas. I had to order new pushrods so we haven't made any smoke yet. I will report once I make some passes on it.

Here they are. The DLC coating, what is it ? Looks like a steel bushing with a coating. How does it hold up ? 1090$ here.
https://vincentperformance.com/shop/bam-b-2030-16-bb1/

They make a std bronze bushed lifter. 940 $
https://vincentperformance.com/shop/bam-b-2030-16-bb4/

And a needle bearing lifter. 695$
https://vincentperformance.com/shop/bam-b-2030-16/

USA made. I did not see a .903 lifter on this website.

Isky red zone, Crower enduremax, and BAM all are good choices. Like dealing with Brad. He will do specials on request. Just got some .903 +.005" with .180" intake offset for SBM.

It looks like DLC stands for"'diamond like coating". Some sort of carbon coating. A lot of the name manufacturers are making lifters using it now.

Well, If Richard can run 7000 plus miles Street and Track and not have any issues with lifters, then I would say your probably pretty safe with Morel. No?

Just my experience from running these lifters. Crower # 66494X903E-16
The Crower lifter were using are HIPPO oiling They also incorporate a .010 groove on the side for oiling from the oil band to the oil supply hole for the pushrod. It's just for additional oiling all through the lift range.
The hole for the bearing or bushed wheel is feed from inside the oil band. They are cross drilled and one side is plugged. This definitely has to be check if cross drilled on new lifters. The side facing the lifter bore is plugged during manufacturing. Thank you Mike for pointing this out. From what I understand these lifters are edge oil oiling and is based on clearances in the lifter bores or in my case the installed bushing. We don't run any Restrictors in block or pushrods. So far so good.

I'm sure someone has mentioned Bam.

BAM has 2 bushing options, Bronze and Solid Steel DLC. Brad mentioned that there are multiple dragweek guys running the Solid Steel.

I have run .030 with needle bearing solid roller for years. You get more oil through that than you would think.
.040 restrictors might be a good way to go since its not a street engine.

x2! I was told a minimum of .100 right from Morel when running a bushed lifter

I can always drill them out to .100. Or just pull them out.

It's almost like i knew what i was talking about lol

I'm having a duh moment. What is the .100 your referring too?


Thanks

I fat fingered a reply that ended up on the shaft rocker topic. I'm trying a .062 hole size on my 525 with .903 bushing type crower lifters. Will see how it goes.

The whole size in my lifter bushing to feed the lifters

I am thinking .060-.080 myself.
I was told .030 was too small for std non pin oiled Comp rollers. 10+ years later still good.
When priming the engine I was amazed how much oil shot out of the .030 hole.
Took over 10 minutes of priming and slowly turning the engine over to get oil everywhere I wanted.
I figure I need to restrict oil to the top end at least some and the HP heads have good drain back.

This is the best price I have found so far on the BAM lifters with DLC coating.
1000$ Going with them from this guy.

Dragncar

Instead of buying new lifters why not have Crower rebuild your current lifters ?
And they can add the Hi Pressure Pin Oiling option.


https://www.crower.com/rebuilt-your-roller-lifters


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I run a bit more oil pressure than some do.

I'm trying a .062 hole size on my 525 with .903 bushing type crower lifters. Will see how it goes.
I think I'm around .080 feed hole in the bushing. I primed the engine with the lifters removed and there is lots of oil comes through those holes in the bushings.



May I ask what oil pressure your running? Thanks

20/50 oil at .003 3in main clearance and .0025 rods seems to net around 35 psi hot idle and 75 ish psi at 6500 with a 80 psi pump. I used a .070 shim on the blower engine and nitro 50w oil. That engine was started at the burn out area and did not build much oil temp. 100 psi was common.

Thanks for posting Chief. I just was looking at my build and here is a bit of info. It's a 505 cu in. The hole in the lifter bore bushings is .081 We have 65 to 68 psi at start up. drops to around 35 when hot. Running a 160 deg thermostat. Bearings are at .0035 on 3" mains. Rods are at .0025. Were running Amsoil 20w-50. I'm running a 60 lb oil pump with a few mods to it.
I have been wondering if we should change to an 80 lb pump?

WE did pre production testing for Isky on the bushed lifters,We have them running with 400#plus seat pressure,1200# plus open pressure at 1.00inch plus net lift some at 1.100..They were the first to introduce this style .They did a lot of Spintron hours on test pieces.Isky is our first choice ,

So an .840 lift turbocharged drag week combo shouldnt be an issue for them?

AS long as the valve springs are correct for application and set up correctly.
Correctly means checking net lift with loaded spring and lash as the engine sees.Set springs off this net lift numberBill C..

Well, they are new and Crower tech told me I should run them as is and only rebuild them after I get my use out of them in there current state.
I will put them on the shelf. Have a new set of Comps also.
Setting myself up for when I retire I can still race with all the Pontiac junk I have laying around.
No plans to stop racing so having 3 engines and a bunch of parts will suit me well on a fixed income as a old man.

Sorry for the confusion, I thought your Crower lifters were used and without the pin oiling option.

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No problem. I ordered the BAM lifters with DLC coating today.
Going to have to start putting all this stuff together.
I want from using basic Crower/Comp non pin oiled needle bearing lifters with Aluminum Crower rockers and KRE stud girdle, to the pin oiled BAM steel bushed lifters with Crower SS Endura shaft rockers.
2700$ later, not much more I can do to this engine. Only money I guess.
Most things that are fun and cool are not cheap.

OK so I’m glad I came across the thread I’m sure I would’ve found the oil feed hole is just a little too small. .I have the crower EZ roll max bushed red zone series roller lifters going into a new build they are .904 sizing my aluminum block has been nicely bushed but the oil feed hole is only .021. Has anyone ever had to open the hole up with the bushing already installed? I am very doubtful I will be able to do installed but was wondering if has anyone tried it. Thank you for any input you guys may have for me.

I don't have any suggestions, but my thinking is that is way too small as well. Guys have mentioned .100 and I know mine are .081 as it's on the build sheet. I flowed mine with the priming tool on distributor with the lifters out and there was plenty oil moving inside the bushings. I wish I would have taken a video. You would almost need a dental drill that would fit in the lifter bore. Need something like this.
https://www.aptoolsltd.co.uk/shop/dy...female-thread/

https://www.amazon.ca/Motion-Pro-08-...90184618&psc=1