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jhein 09-14-2022 09:16 PM

70 TA Engine Color
 
So I used the Bill Hirsch 66-72 Metallic Blue but it's not the right color.

New motor with Bill Hirsch paint:

https://i.imgur.com/kNmy28wl.jpg

Old motor with unknown paint (which looks correct to me)

https://i.imgur.com/a7416Val.jpg

So which paint do I need and is it worth the trouble of repainting the motor?

Ramairnacho 09-14-2022 09:21 PM

I thought you could buy the correct paint in a rattle can already ready to go I think I did that with mine about 25 years ago and never started my car now I have to take it all apart again. Classic Industries or Ames probably has the correct paint. I'm learning that this obsession with getting everything correct is sort of ridiculous unless you're in the business of buying and selling cars that's my two cents. I read on one of these threads this topic and it is sold in a rattle can

tom s 09-14-2022 09:49 PM

Hirsch does not look right.JMO,Tom

jhein 09-15-2022 12:54 AM

It's a color thing but it's also a sheen thing too. With different lighting it looks better.

https://i.imgur.com/9JPwUs2l.jpg

jhein 09-15-2022 01:39 AM

You know what, forget this stupid thread. LOL.

johnta1 09-15-2022 07:07 AM

Is the paint metallic?
From the pics it doesn't look like it has any metal flake in it.


:confused:

jhein 09-15-2022 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 6372492)
Is the paint metallic?
From the pics it doesn't look like it has any metal flake in it.


:confused:

It is metallic. It's just a little bit lighter so I think it doesn't show as much. Also it's a little less glossy. When I saw it in person I didn't notice. I just realized it last night when I was looking at a pics side by side, then I realized it was off.

My car guy picked it up and brought it to his shop yesterday and I'm heading over there today to drop off some parts so I'll look at it again.

I said this thread was stupid for many reasons. First, I should have tested the color first, that was dumb. Second, I'm not sure that trying to re-paint it now is the best idea. Even though it's not a perfect color match, Archie did a really nice job on the application and I'm worried that I'll just mess it up by trying to redo it.

Formulabruce 09-15-2022 10:51 AM

Color looks closer to a 1972 paint than '70

jhein 09-15-2022 11:03 AM

What are your opinions on trying to repaint it? Would it have to be sanded or stripped or could it just be cleaned and painted over since it is freshly painted?

kingbuzzo 09-15-2022 11:28 AM

I just did my 74 recently...The fellas here got me lined up with the right color here if you care:

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...d.php?t=859388

Got some from Eastwood:

https://www.eastwood.com/paints/hi-t...ne-paints.html

Norwood 09-15-2022 05:10 PM

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Been using this for years I feel it is correct. Dupli-Color DE1616

jhein 09-15-2022 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwood (Post 6372618)
Been using this for years I feel it is correct. Dupli-Color DE1616

I just ordered it from Summit who had the fastest delivery. Should be at the shop Monday.

Thanks.

70TA-RAIII 09-15-2022 09:27 PM

I haven't painted an engine in a while, but used to use this with good results. Not even sure it's still out there.


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...mage0_(1).jpeg

John

1965gp 09-15-2022 09:40 PM

I would think you can probably scuff it and spray it. I wouldn’t mess with stripping it all off.

FASTASSBIRD 09-15-2022 10:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Norwood (Post 6372618)
Been using this for years I feel it is correct. Dupli-Color DE1616

Yep that’s the one to use. We use it all the time on ours. Looks perfect

FASTASSBIRD 09-15-2022 10:10 PM

For what it’s worth, I think there is a thread on PY about this as well. The aluminum and it’s texture have something to do with the way it turns out. I agree. Scuff and shoot the 1616 on top. The Other will make a good base coat for the 1616.

Ramairnacho 09-15-2022 11:07 PM

Paint
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 70TA-RAIII (Post 6372667)
I haven't painted an engine in a while, but used to use this with good results. Not even sure it's still out there.


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...mage0_(1).jpeg

John

I used that one too

JSuchma 09-15-2022 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 1965gp (Post 6372671)
I would think you can probably scuff it and spray it. I wouldn’t mess with stripping it all off.

There is no need to scuff again, since the previous coats are so fresh. Go to your local chain auto parts store and get a spray can of BULLDOG. It will be located on the isle with all the paint supply stuff. Apply as directed before painting. This stuff works on paint, powder coat and plastics.

jhein 09-16-2022 12:10 AM

I talked to Butler today. Said this ITU paint is the best, in his opinion. Looks maybe a shade dark to me though, but very good.

https://butlerperformance.com/i-3164...tegory:1234846

Said the Duplicolor 1616 was also excellent.

He also said (as said above) that with such fresh paint you don't need to do anything but clean it well and paint. Says they do it often when they have a color/finish problem.

jhein 09-16-2022 11:17 AM

I called Hirsch this morning to just give them the FYI that their paint color is not correct. The guy told me to send pictures so their paint Chemist could look at them. Hopefully they'll fix it, or maybe just click the delete button and go have a sandwich...

jhein 09-16-2022 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSuchma (Post 6372686)
There is no need to scuff again, since the previous coats are so fresh. Go to your local chain auto parts store and get a spray can of BULLDOG. It will be located on the isle with all the paint supply stuff. Apply as directed before painting. This stuff works on paint, powder coat and plastics.

Is this it: http://kleanstripauto.com/products/b...omoter-aerosol

Have you used it on an engine before?

I relayed what David Butler told me to my car guy. My car guy is good. He'll figure it out.

https://www.northwestautofab.com/index.html

jhein 09-19-2022 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhein (Post 6372780)
I called Hirsch this morning to just give them the FYI that their paint color is not correct. The guy told me to send pictures so their paint Chemist could look at them. Hopefully they'll fix it, or maybe just click the delete button and go have a sandwich...

So Hirsch responded by saying, basically, their color is correct and that's that. He said the color that I showed him in my OP as the correct was too blue and looked more like an Olds blue, not pontiac. OK, whatever. That's about what I expected.

jhein 09-22-2022 01:17 PM

Here she is re-painted with Dupli-Color DE1616

https://i.imgur.com/ZruB34hh.jpg

Vs. Hirsch:

https://i.imgur.com/9JPwUs2h.jpg

vertigto 09-22-2022 01:28 PM

Big difference (to me)...looks right now.

R 70 Judge 09-22-2022 03:13 PM

Looking good! Your TA is going to be a blast with the new engine and the TKX :cool2:

jhein 09-22-2022 03:38 PM

I'm glad I decided to repaint it. Had to be done really. So far, the plan for the stealth look seems to be going OK.

johnta1 09-22-2022 03:39 PM

Yep, looks great now!


:)


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