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grd777 10-03-2022 09:47 PM

who makes a good qtr panel skin
 
looking to buy a qtr panel skin for my 72 formula . i have access to getting one from dynacorn . anybody used one or who else makse them

Ramairnacho 10-03-2022 11:24 PM

Repop quarter
 
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Im.not sure I'm learning too but the the repops are shorter and if you don't weld a spacer rod you will get a big gap at the trunk line. I got 2 Facebook group friends and both had same problem. One watched u tube videos and they did the rop spacing to make it work. Not sure if info is helpful. See the big gap and it's not really noticed till trunk lid gets installed. See this on 2 different cars. I a 70 formula 400 4 speed and other a 73 ta. Hope this helps not sure on brand but I can ask

grd777 10-04-2022 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramairnacho (Post 6377046)
Im.not sure I'm learning too but the the repops are shorter and if you don't weld a spacer rod you will get a big gap at the trunk line. I got 2 Facebook group friends and both had same problem. One watched u tube videos and they did the rop spacing to make it work. Not sure if info is helpful. See the big gap and it's not really noticed till trunk lid gets installed. See this on 2 different cars. I a 70 formula 400 4 speed and other a 73 ta. Hope this helps not sure on brand but I can ask

who makes that skin

Formulajones 10-04-2022 08:21 AM

I've almost always bought from AMD. Better quality and fitment and heavier gauge steel than what I've sometimes seen from others.

Problem is for the last couple years I've had problems getting things as is typical with the supply chain these days. Last set of quarters I ordered I had to wait 5 months to show up. They currently don't show anything right now for 2nd gen birds either.

My biggest gripe with some of these repop quarters is they don't have the correct body crease behind the rear tires. You can always look at a 2nd gen bird and tell if it's had repop quarters installed as most don't pay attention to that detail.

I haven't had my hands on an AMD piece recently to compare but that's one thing I look for.

grd777 10-04-2022 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Formulajones (Post 6377089)
I've almost always bought from AMD. Better quality and fitment and heavier gauge steel than what I've sometimes seen from others.

Problem is for the last couple years I've had problems getting things as is typical with the supply chain these days. Last set of quarters I ordered I had to wait 5 months to show up. They currently don't show anything right now for 2nd gen birds either.

My biggest gripe with some of these repop quarters is they don't have the correct body crease behind the rear tires. You can always look at a 2nd gen bird and tell if it's had repop quarters installed as most don't pay attention to that detail.

I haven't had my hands on an AMD piece recently to compare but that's one thing I look for.


yes i checked there web site ,they do not have any . the only one i can get is the one from dynacorn not my first choice but it is in stock . does the one from goodmark come from the same supplier

Formulajones 10-04-2022 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by grd777 (Post 6377091)
yes i checked there web site ,they do not have any . the only one i can get is the one from dynacorn not my first choice but it is in stock . does the one from goodmark come from the same supplier

I'm not 100% sure who supplies AMD's sheet metal, I've just found I like their stuff over some of the others. I've had some Goodmark stuff that was okay and then sometimes wasn't all that great, it was hit and miss.

I hate settling for less and don't want to resort to lesser quality so I primarily have stuck with AMD, which is why I get stuck waiting months for stuff. Some projects just get put on hold indefinitely and some I've turned away.

Don't know if the situation is going to get better or not. Might have to wait a couple more years to see if things change unfortunately. If not we may have to continue to use lesser quality parts as we move forward, which doesn't inspire me to start another project.

grd777 10-04-2022 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Formulajones (Post 6377095)
I'm not 100% sure who supplies AMD's sheet metal, I've just found I like their stuff over some of the others. I've had some Goodmark stuff that was okay and then sometimes wasn't all that great, it was hit and miss.

I hate settling for less and don't want to resort to lesser quality so I primarily have stuck with AMD, which is why I get stuck waiting months for stuff. Some projects just get put on hold indefinitely and some I've turned away.

Don't know if the situation is going to get better or not. Might have to wait a couple more years to see if things change unfortunately.

yes i feel the same way

Ramairnacho 10-04-2022 09:21 AM

The quarter panel picture I showed you from my friend Ray from Facebook was purchased from Classic Industries

Formulabruce 10-04-2022 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramairnacho (Post 6377108)
The quarter panel picture I showed you from my friend Ray from Facebook was purchased from Classic Industries

Which is OER, same as AMD sells. AMD doesn't make them and unless mopar, resells other brands like all parts houses do.
That said, the FULL quarters I have used, and they fit fine once body is all clean for it.
These are made in Taiwan, and don't seem to be in the pipeline right now.

'ol Pinion head 10-04-2022 06:03 PM

Can attest to what Bruce mentions, the full 70-73 reproduction 1/4 panel fits well. PY member & national vender Ron Johnson had a hand in getting those done near 20 years ago. Those & the metal rear tail panels & trunk drops. Goodmark was who offered them with a part number. Nice pieces, have picked up & used several of those pieces. Again, Thank You Ron!!!

The "hip" style partial '70-73 1/4's have been out since the late '80's. They are cheap, thin, fit poorly, AND are not correctly shaped over the bottom 18". They do NOT have the correct fluting to them (slight curvature inward lengthwise). Easy to spot cars with the junk hip quarters. I'm sure somewhere someone has performed a miracle panel beating the lower 1/4 portion of a few of them to look closer to original, but not on the '70 Bird roller/ partscar I picked up mid 90's. The lower 1/4 panels looked more like that of those of a Camaro. Without the 12 bolt rear & correct doors, that Bird left here for a fiberglass front clip & budget race car build. At least it was good for something!

grd777 10-04-2022 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head (Post 6377220)
Can attest to what Bruce mentions, the full 70-73 reproduction 1/4 panel fits well. PY member & national vender Ron Johnson had a hand in getting those done near 20 years ago. Those & the metal rear tail panels & trunk drops. Goodmark was who offered them with a part number. Nice pieces, have picked up & used several of those pieces. Again, Thank You Ron!!!

The "hip" style partial '70-73 1/4's have been out since the late '80's. They are cheap, thin, fit poorly, AND are not correctly shaped over the bottom 18". They do NOT have the correct fluting to them (slight curvature inward lengthwise). Easy to spot cars with the junk hip quarters. I'm sure somewhere someone has performed a miracle panel beating the lower 1/4 portion of a few of them to look closer to original, but not on the '70 Bird roller/ partscar I picked up mid 90's. The lower 1/4 panels looked more like that of those of a Camaro. Without the 12 bolt rear & correct doors, that Bird left here for a fiberglass front clip & budget race car build. At least it was good for something!

thanks for this info .that is exactly what i notice with the dynacorn skin

72projectbird 10-05-2022 09:39 AM

I use AMD full quarters, inner wheel housings, trunk drop offs, and tail panel. They all fit really good.

Todd Mullin 10-05-2022 11:26 AM

Quarter panels
 
I'm in the process now installing Goodmark quarters, drop offs and tail panel. They seem to fit pretty good ...no large gaps. Todd

'ol Pinion head 10-05-2022 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Mullin (Post 6377382)
I'm in the process now installing Goodmark quarters, drop offs and tail panel. They seem to fit pretty good ...no large gaps. Todd

Same here, & nothing AMD about them.

On the outer metal tail panels alone have been buying them since they first came out, always Goodmark pieces. Same with the quarters (have only ordered a few)

grd777 10-05-2022 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head (Post 6377452)
Same here, & nothing AMD about them.

On the outer metal tail panels alone have been buying them since they first came out, always Goodmark pieces. Same with the quarters (have only ordered a few)

talked with the sales rep from goodmark , he said that goodmark is the only company that is reproducing the full qtrs and the tail light panel for these years and everyone buys off them. He said that skins skins there are many guys making them

JUDGE3 10-06-2022 10:29 AM

I used goodmark full quarters and cut them to "skins" as needed. did this to the tail panels also.

Iv'e ordered thru amd for my hood and front fenders. excellent and I think these were dynacorn but not sure. but I know they were not goodmark.

the crease lines on repops are more crisp, so depends if your after show or drive.

grd777 10-06-2022 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JUDGE3 (Post 6377647)
I used goodmark full quarters and cut them to "skins" as needed. did this to the tail panels also.

Iv'e ordered thru amd for my hood and front fenders. excellent and I think these were dynacorn but not sure. but I know they were not goodmark.

the crease lines on repops are more crisp, so depends if your after show or drive.

this is exactly what i want to do . i don't want to go thru all the trouble to take everything apart ( i.e take the rear glass out etc ) do you have any photos you can share

JUDGE3 10-06-2022 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by grd777 (Post 6377650)
this is exactly what i want to do . i don't want to go thru all the trouble to take everything apart ( i.e take the rear glass out etc ) do you have any photos you can share

bump up to my "floor/torque box/frame rail" thread in the body shop section.

detailed pics throughout.

lol, I like posting pics -a pics worth a thousand words-

grd777 10-06-2022 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JUDGE3 (Post 6377651)
bump up to my "floor/torque box/frame rail" thread in the body shop section.

detailed pics throughout.

lol, I like posting pics -a pics worth a thousand words-

nice work you are a master at this , will try to do it as good as you thanks for the feed back

JUDGE3 10-06-2022 12:30 PM

thanks

it comes from building large model airplanes as a youngster, and doing a ton actual aircraft cowling and panel fitment cut/grind to fit to very close tolerances over 42 years at the plant.

its easy to get overwhelmed seeing magazines thru the years that started showing only high end restorations by pros that makes one think you have to full panel replace everything. the era i came up in, i watched many a person cut out only whats needed and do a good job splicing and welding.

good luck would like to see you post a thread with pics of your progress

grd777 10-06-2022 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JUDGE3 (Post 6377677)
thanks

it comes from building large model airplanes as a youngster, and doing a ton actual aircraft cowling and panel fitment cut/grind to fit to very close tolerances over 42 years at the plant.

its easy to get overwhelmed seeing magazines thru the years that started showing only high end restorations by pros that makes one think you have to full panel replace everything. the era i came up in, i watched many a person cut out only whats needed and do a good job splicing and welding.

good luck would like to see you post a thread with pics of your progress

that makes sense .one question i have how does the welding look like on the inside of the trunk. i don't like when i see the weld when i open the trunk

JUDGE3 10-06-2022 07:02 PM

weld and grind, rinse and repeat to suit your visibility taste.

grd777 10-07-2022 04:25 PM

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weld and grind, rinse and repeat to suit your visibility taste.

i see in this photo that the qtr panel was sandwich between the brace and the rocker . any tips how to install the new qtr panel here

Formulabruce 10-07-2022 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by grd777 (Post 6377993)
i see in this photo that the qtr panel was sandwich between the brace and the rocker . any tips how to install the new qtr panel here

That is stock, you can separate, install weld the spot weld holes from inside, but you will need more than the inspection cover hole. I would consider gluing it if you can get it all clean, way less chance of future rust.

grd777 10-07-2022 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Formulabruce (Post 6378011)
That is stock, you can separate, install weld the spot weld holes from inside, but you will need more than the inspection cover hole. I would consider gluing it if you can get it all clean, way less chance of future rust.

yes i was wondering how i was going to weld that ,not much access from the inside what glue do you used

JUDGE3 10-07-2022 06:29 PM

I cut the lip on the new quarter back enough for it to fit in place, then welded solid across this short area, then carefully grind a faux body line. it will look same as factory.

Formulabruce 10-07-2022 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by grd777 (Post 6378013)
yes i was wondering how i was going to weld that ,not much access from the inside what glue do you used

I use this. Must have bare metal and clean. I like to eliminate ANY chance of rust, and welding can bring a harder metal with different expansion to that edge, Gluing is the way to get it done. The glue itself has anti corrosion chemicals in it which will ooze inside and prevent moisture from entering that area. Bonding will take more time to fit, but IMHO will be worth it. ( I have welded this seam on the exterior and cut in a groove, but got a paint bubble in a couple years, so I switched repair proceedures )
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/t...+5b9ad67255698
https://static.summitracing.com/glob...s-38315_xl.jpg

grd777 10-13-2022 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JUDGE3 (Post 6378019)
I cut the lip on the new quarter back enough for it to fit in place, then welded solid across this short area, then carefully grind a faux body line. it will look same as factory.

Hi Judge3
Just to follow up on the qtr panel work. Did you have any issues when you installed the side marker bezels. Seem when I try them on the skins it does not fit snug.

JUDGE3 10-13-2022 07:58 PM

I can only wish I was far enough along to even think about the bezel.

have not even checked that. I will say though, a non perfect fit won't bother me at all if i'm to the point of installing it.

that pic of the quarter area in question reveals a wonderfully dry rust free area. jealous of that! mine sure wasn't.

as far as rust proofing there, thats why I like por15. I used it in this area prior to the quarter install, then once installed I soaked a brush and went thru the door jamb access and let it seep real good in there, and then used internal frame coating tubes, then sprayed epoxy primer thru it. (I put a 2" brush on wire, even on a broomstick to push up in to the rocker panel.)

my overkill ways. rustproofed for the next guy.

Formulabruce 10-14-2022 03:16 PM

Fit the bezels BEFORE paint. I had to use a die grinder to slightly move over one side to make it "drop down" into the panel. Not noticed once painted.

grd777 10-14-2022 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Formulabruce (Post 6379671)
Fit the bezels BEFORE paint. I had to use a die grinder to slightly move over one side to make it "drop down" into the panel. Not noticed once painted.

It is way off will send photos

grd777 10-14-2022 04:35 PM

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Fit the bezels BEFORE paint. I had to use a die grinder to slightly move over one side to make it "drop down" into the panel. Not noticed once painted.

It will need filler or something here are some photos
1st one is on a full qt
2nd one is a original qtr
Last is a repo 1/2 skin. Will need work on the skin

Want to thank my friend for these photos

JUDGE3 10-15-2022 04:45 PM

triggered me to check mine. yes they will need the mount holes massaged over to move the bezel.

grd777 10-15-2022 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JUDGE3 (Post 6379951)
triggered me to check mine. yes they will need the mount holes massaged over to move the bezel.

Yes I think it also sits to low

Formulabruce 10-16-2022 01:42 AM

Couple points.
1. The quarter panel stamp for the recessed bezel is tapered a bit on one side ( front?) and more of a shelf ( factory) on the other side.
I have ended up slightly moving to the bezel to a more neutral position.
2. The bezel can sit a tiny bit deep. I dont think it mattered much, BUT you can put a plastic washer on the bezel studs I suppose.
This is the best we have to work with .

grd777 10-16-2022 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Formulabruce (Post 6380029)
Couple points.
1. The quarter panel stamp for the recessed bezel is tapered a bit on one side ( front?) and more of a shelf ( factory) on the other side.
I have ended up slightly moving to the bezel to a more neutral position.
2. The bezel can sit a tiny bit deep. I dont think it mattered much, BUT you can put a plastic washer on the bezel studs I suppose.
This is the best we have to work with .

Yes I will try that and post a photo


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