Rare oddball 1969 judge ra 4 on barnfinds auction
 

https://barnfinds.com/bf-auction-196...ge-ram-air-iv/
wow bench seat column shift ram air 4

Wow, what a mess. Basically buying the vin tag and engine.

This is a super rare RAIV Judge. Maybe 1 of 58 with a bench seat and shift on the column. I am 57 years old and have now seen only 3 of these cars. This White car, a red car and black car. Wow! Thanks for posting this auction! This made my day.

definitely rough but it runs.

Cool car I lived in Melbourne once and thought I’d scoured every inch of that place for ram air cars. Guess I missed . That car is from a dealership that had a RAIV firebird drag car .

Correction…. I have seen 4 of these cars. Forgot about the Liberty Blue 69 Judge RAIV bench seat car that sold new in Milan, GA.

Old Rusty sounded surprisingly good!

Yea, also the Rear Assy, TH400, Tach, 1/4 and door glass, and pull Knob. Every bit else is replacement theology.

rebody for sure IMO.Tom

i recently sold my 69 judge ra4 bench seat 4 speed 4:33. i owned it for 30 something years.

Yes don’t forget that one it’s been fully restored

You can add a couple more to the list I’ve seen a carousel red automatic on the column RAIV bench seat in Tucson, Arizona on Speedway Boulevard and owned a 69 Vedoro green automatic on the column RAIV bench seat , along with the liberty blue/ parchment Georgia judge

I lived in Melbourne about my entire life (moved there when I was 2). Recently left the area in 2020 after retiring. I have never seen or heard of this car and I have been doing Pontiacs for over 30 years. I suspect it was someone who moved into the area (appears to be an apartment complex with garages) in the last few years. I was able to buy a 70 OO RAIV Judge 4 speed car in that area. Also picked up several sets of RAIV heads and missed a 455SD fitted block still strapped to the crate! Melbourne was not a hot bed of automobile culture. It was mostly a retirement town for a long time. However when the Space Program came to town things started happening. Also Patrick Air Force Base in its heyday had a lot of young enlisted men who were into cars (and surfing). That area was not kind to sheetmetal. Living beachside and keeping a car outside pretty much guaranteed it was rusted out in a couple of years.

and a re-frame.

Carbonator doesnt have plant-pick code.
So either a decoy or a 1979 SR
Can't say for sure its even a Rochester , might be a Carter Qjet

No PwrStr , No PwrBrks
Barebone stripper type

Its definitely been a Coastal Florida car for long enough.
Will need everything , as in Everything.
As Hobi would say - a 4 Rivet Restoration

Has already made reserve @ 21k with 5 days left

Maybe Hobi should resurrect the Rizzo report?

Anyone else absolutely hate reading the ridiculously bloated and over the top descriptions for these cars on BaT?

How good was it ?
Orange car ?
Did it have an engine ?

I think Rizzo went to work for BaT as a shill bidder .
Raking in the dough , instead of shoveling out the sh'it .

And Hobi seems to have disappeared , along with the MetalFinisher.
idunno
Probably in business together now .
:D

This one is actually on Barn Finds .
I didn't even know they had an auction site.

But I agree , they get a little bloaty .
This one in particular seems way too sympathetic.
A Florida hood in that condition - should probably try to be saved ?

You'd be lucky if even the seats can be re-used for cores.
This car is ready to start popping holes in all kind of crazy places from the inside out.
When you see a Florida car in this shape , only expect the very worst.

I like the car and hope someone can save it.
But its going to be a cowl swap or a 4RivetResto , and a marked car.

A complete RA IV engine & tranny with all the right parts running is definitely in the ballpark for this value, the car is free

I agree 100%. Fair price but a mega project. I would expect the worse. Most everything is throw away.
This kind of project spells “divorce” for most.

Oh man, up to $29600 big ones. 1 of 58 is that correct for that car?

you married the wrong woman if thats the case. i have never one time asked my wife if i can buy anything.

This poor car. The Rusty Judge will it live again?

Yes
58 Ram4 Automatic Judges
Not including GTO's

Gotta agree on that one!

When I told mine I was going to buy an engine, she told me don’t buy that . She’d never said anything like that before, so I said why not? She said I want to buy it for your birthday. 😂

I did say this project spells divorce for “most.”….. I married an Alabama girl. She can be as sweet as sweet tea and can be as mean as a diamondback rattlesnake. I have always had more than one Judge. I have brought home many abandoned project cars over the years that I bought in boxes and restored. I haven’t been questioned one time by my wife on the endless stream of parts or Bodyshop costs needed for my passion and hobby for 69 Judges. The car hobby takes support from the entire family as everyone knows. Back to subject.- The wife asked me if I was going to buy this car. 10 years ago this project would be in my garage. The older, wiser, less energetic me said I will pass on this project.

My wife always knows what I buy, after the deal is done, as long as the bills are paid she is all in!

I used to live in Melbourne and have friends who could go look at the car. However I think it is pretty obvious it is a parts car (drivetrain) or a rebody etc.

I have been racing/restoring/driving Pontiacs for decades. My wife finally asked if she could pick out her own car! LOL I always bought Pontiacs for her to drive either new or used. I have been known to "come home" with a car she had no idea I was buying (not for her but for the "collection"). I always kept my car hobby pretty much funded through car stuff either selling cars or parts. I did use my 401k occasionally to take a loan to buy cars but paid it back within a year. We both had careers and had our own savings/retirement accounts and a joint account that paid all the household stuff.

Now that we are retired and on a fixed income our money is combined so I need to keep her in the "loop" on any car purchases. The biggest obstacle I have is storage and the time to keep everything in tip top shape. I thought when I retired I would have a lot more time to "play" with the cars. However with all my other interests/hobbies I don't seem to have enough time to do everything!

Bid up to $36,250 with under 20 minutes to go; plus a 5% Buyer Premium.

Moving between $36,000 and $36,250??

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...7&d=1675633334

Winning bid $36,000 but it was up to $37,500, $42,250 and $42,500 before going back to $36,000 with different bidders, possibly after the closing.

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...2&d=1675635497

Never bid on BarnFinds.com and not sure if you can bid and then withdraw moments later??

242379R175658

I just clicked on the original link that post toastie supplied ,
it shows winning bid 42,500 by iluvgm

Expensive , but worth it to the right person today.
The engine and rear axle were probably worth 25k by themselves.
20k more gets you a title and some particulars.

Best wishes to the new owner

Agreed! My wife questioned me about 25 years ago WRT cars, and the time I spend in the garage. My response was " I could have many addictions, Women, drinking, drugs, gambling, etc, why would you complain when you know exactly where I am? Her response was "True!" Never heard another word since.

No need for a rebody- the original car is being restored!

Good to hear. Was the overall condition better than the pictures made it appear?

Keep us updated on the progress!

you buy it or sell it???

Let us know the progress of this super rare car.

I think it was a good buy for someone. Ain’t making any more of them.

This is why in don't buy restored cars...

When that cars done the only thing original to the car will be the tags and drivetrain and a few small parts but not much.

I don't.

If a guy has his own restoration shop and does not keep tract of the hours involved they might come out alive.JMO,Tom

I didn’t buy- nor am I restoring it. Talked to the guy that did buy it. He said it is better than it looks. Also got all of the ram air parts with it too. I see nothing has changed on here over the last ten years with all of the armchair restoration pros on here. Most who have never restored a car in their life!

I think MOST might be a stretch.Tom

I didn't think it looked that bad either, not for a valuable car. Seen many a run of the mill model start from worse.
But then no one with a rare car likes to see another one enter the market :)

Island Boy- can you share with me the contact info for the person that bought this car? I would like to get in touch with them. I have recently restored it’s twin brother but my car is black. I would like to compare notes with them and have some questions. I know how to build RA 3 engines and built my RA 4 myself and they are different. If you can share that would be great.

He sells cars on eBay with the same username = iluvgm
You can message him on eBay.
Or his listings might have his phone number / email listed.
Good luck

That guy buys and sells a lot of Judges.

Perfect. Thanks much.