3M 05895 no longer available?
 

I need to repair some small cracks in my endura bumper on a 1970 FB. Apparently 3M does not make the 05895A &B kit that I have used in the past. Can someone recommend another product I can use? Maybe an SEM product? Thanks.

3M stopped Making 05895!
 

I called 3M and they no longer make the 05895A & B in tubes. Replaced with #05887 but you need a special applicator gun that costs more than the product! Anyone know of a "Work-A Round" for the applicator? Thx.

I found one place that indicates on their website they still have the 05895 available, but you'd have to check with them to confirm. There may be other places. https://www.wotcotools.com/product/4...895-5-oz-tubes

OK thanks.
 

Thank for the link Stuart.

If you end up buying the 05887 I have the gun and have lent to others in the past. PM me if you need it

last repair to Endura I did I used Lord Fusor
seems to be doing OK so far
But I normally use 3M products so would have to research why I made that choice

The excellent 3m product that I used was changed to Bondo brand/packaging but it's the same stuff as far as I can tell. Not sure what the product number is now. It's been good for well over a decade.

Thanks everyone.
 

Heading to body shop supply today to see what they have. I will report back.

I used the flexible SEMWELD 39708 product on my 72 endure nose, comes in 2 tubes that you mix up like JB weld, excellent product that applies nice & sands smooth & easy.
I was going to buy the 3m stuff but the auto paint supply store I went to only had the kind that needed the expensive gun, the rep suggested the SEM and said its just as good and can be used on other types of rubber/plastic too.

I used it to repair a small tear on a 78 nose too along with the mesh tape for added strength. Its lasted for 15+ years on the 78 and 7+ on the 72 with no signs of any problems. It was cheaper than the 3m too.

SEMWELD
 

Thanks for the alternative product recommendation! I will compare size and $ for the money.

The Bondo version is slightly different than the 3M stuff and is harder to sand. If you didn't have both to compare, you wouldn't know any better, but the 3M stuff is better to work with IMO.

There is a cheaper twin cartridge gun for larger 300 mL twin cartridges, and if you buy one you can wrap the 3M tubes in a few layers of cardboard from your favorite canned beer case, it will sit in the gun OK and you can use those smaller cartridges.

I wasn't willing to spend $200 for the proper autobody twin tube gun, but $50 for the larger gun was OK for 2-3 uses.

Something like this one, intended for 300mL cartridges. The pushing pads won't be centered in the tubes but it will still work. I used the same gun to dispense 3M NVH foam as well as Norton epoxy seam sealer from the smaller tubes so I feel like it was a good choice.

Also, some parts supply houses (my local Napa is one), bought the proper gun and would lend it to customers who bought the smaller tubes from them. I am a slow worker (see sig :)) so I wanted my own for when I needed it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28530579201...Bk9SR_iHwKubYw

As long as the repair product you buy is a flexible epoxy repair kit, it should be fine. I used 3M (both in tubes and cartridges), Bondo, and a Canadian product from Dominion Sure Seal. The 3M sanded the best, the Bondo was the worst, and the Sure Seal was noticeably softer than the others once cured and did not feather as well.

Here’s what I’d use works well stays flexible. Use it in marine applications all the time. You will be amazed at this product. If you want a harder less flexible for something use 5200

How well does the 4200 sand? I've used 5200 at work but I've never had to sand it and it never gave me the impression that it was sandable.

3M 05887
 

Purchased the 3M 05887 and borrowed applicator gun from a friend. Product worked well and I am pleased with results. Hope to apply paint this week. Thanks again everyone. Dave

Dave did u happen to take any pics of the process

No Pics
 

Sorry I did not take any pics. I will take some once I get the bumper installed.

Ok great

just a warning to all that all of the mentioned products have a shelf life.
I wouldnt buy if its over a few months old.
Also resist the temptation to use up what you bought 2 yrs ago.

Is the 3M 05895 the product that was recommended by the often used "Endura Repair" sticky topic? The gray colored stuff that sands so well?

Can you elaborate on this shelf life? Are certain products more time sensitive than others?

Reason I ask is because the SEM product doesnt mention any expire or use by date. I bought & first used mine about 15 years ago, then used it again on the 72 endura nose 8-9 years later, it looked new and applied as new with excellent results that have lasted ~8 years with no issues at all. Also used it again a few years ago on some honeycomb wheels I restored. Still looks & works like it always has and I dont see any problems using it again in the near future.

Most of these 2 part products have a very long shelf life in my experience, definitely longer than a few months, never used the 3m or lord fusor so cant comment on them... but normal bondo fillers and JB weld etc should last for many years if stored right.

3m I use now.. https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b40071609/
https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...4&d=1704819004

Are u asking an adhesion promoter with this Bruce…..

Yes.

3M packaged it in two sizes of squeeze tubes, as well as in a twin tube cartridge. They phased out the larger squeeze tubes first, then the smaller ones. twin tube cartridge still available.

IMO, epoxy products last much longer compared to urethane products past their "best before dates". I bought a gallon of black R-M epoxy primer over 10 years ago (probably closer to 13) and it still mixes fine, activates fine, and cures just like when it was new.

Having said that, I would not use it on anything that was critical, like under paint on the exterior of a car. I use it on blasted or sanded brackets & small parts that are under the hood or the interior, and will continue to use it until it is gone or it stops working. Have about a pint left so will probably get to use it all :).

Note that I am not recommending anyone use old product; I am just relaying what I have seen and what has worked for me.

Same 05895 number?

No, the twin tube is 05887, the product Bruce showed.

05895 was the 5 oz tubes. Still available online from a few sellers

05896 was the 13 oz tubes, discontinued some time ago.

05887 is the twin tubes that require a special gun, still easily available.

I have used all 3 and the 05887 is a wee bit different as far as cure time (either slower or faster, can't remember which, but the product sheet is slightly different compared to 05895/05896). All 3 sand the same, very well.

CNC asked about adhesion promoter...it is not required with Endura. Epoxy sticks like crazy to properly cleaned Endura. Adhesion promoter is for specific plastics that need it.

Regarding cleaning Endura, do not use a solvent based cleaner as the Endura will absorb it. Wash with Dawn soap and water, spot clean with a water based W&G remover if required. Blow dry with air and be certain it is clean and not contaminated prior to epoxy.

Paulatfast's original recommendations on Endura repair work very well, and mirror SPI's recommendations, many of us have followed them with good results. Using a urethane product (or someone else's epoxy) may work but you are on you own for results and going down your own path LOL.

Case in point: the R-M epoxy I have specifically says not to use on flexible parts. The SPI is recommended for Endura. Not all epoxy is the same. I often keep the leftover "discs" of leftover product from my mixing cups when I don't use it all. R-M epoxy and regular urethane primer/surface are hard as a rock and will not flex at all. 7 year old SPI epoxy still has a little flex.

That’s some great info posted above concerning expiration dates. I use Fusor 123EZ often (just as an epoxy based seam sealer, not for Endura btw) and I used one set of tubes that was just barely 6mos past their stated expiration date. Man that was one of the biggest mistakes I’ve made in a long time. Imagine a seam sealer that never sets and then there’s the toxic smell you get during application and that won’t go away either.

I’d also add that you should think twice about where you get your product and be sure to read the tech sheets posted online. The one I mentioned above has a 24mo shelf life if stored at 75°F. If you don’t trust the place you get it from to ship you fresh/properly stored product, it’s just a gamble. Many of them can’t handle a freeze/thaw cycle either.

Hopefully someone will update the Endura sticky to reflect the new part number?
I'll probably croak before I need it again, but might be helpful to others :)