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Held for Ransom 01-16-2024 10:45 PM

Possible new addition
 
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I'm looking at a low mile Firebird (21,000). It needs exhaust (at least a muffler). Should I go Gardner or Waldron? Or, it there another stock style player?


Ohh, it also has a modified NOS air cleaner in the trunk...

SD73 01-16-2024 11:09 PM

Nice find! I hope it works out.

I'm happy with my Gardner. It's over 20 years old and still looks like new and bolted up like stock. They're aluminized inside and out. The downside for you though is they only sell complete systems so you couldn't source them for just your muffler.

MDSHARK81 01-17-2024 09:52 AM

Another Gardner vote. I’m in the process of installing my Gardner system now on my 71 T/A, and the quality and fit are top notch!! They don’t sell parts, full systems only.

kingbuzzo 01-17-2024 01:07 PM

I have the Pypes 2.5" system with their transverse muff on my '74...fair quality but the price was right

necdb3 01-18-2024 03:46 PM

You can order just a muffler from Classic Exhaust. I've installed 5 systems from them and they sound like the factory muffler. Aluminized also.

Held for Ransom 01-18-2024 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by necdb3 (Post 6479087)
You can order just a muffler from Classic Exhaust. I've installed 5 systems from them and they sound like the factory muffler. Aluminized also.


Will not use them, period. Ordered a kit off of eBay apparently while he was having health problems, Luckily I got a system, but after a long wait. Never installed, maybe I'll steal the muffler...

fbody_mike 01-19-2024 05:42 PM

I am just waiting for some pics of this Firebird. Good luck with the buy!

Held for Ransom 01-19-2024 09:48 PM

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Another teaser...

SD455DJ 01-20-2024 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Held for Ransom (Post 6479386)
Another teaser...

OK Mike...enough with the teasing...let us know what ya got!

Dennis

4birds 01-20-2024 10:57 AM

Here's my guess.
1972 Formula 400. Sundance Orange with black interior.
Give us another clue......

GTO.PAUL 01-20-2024 11:48 AM

New Ride??
 
Shall I let the cat out of the bag Mike? I guess I will let you have the honors-nice Bird!

Held for Ransom 01-20-2024 12:01 PM

For the money, I'd rather have had a '70 Formula 400 RA.

I haven't paid for it yet, so 'til then, it's teasers. And, not many as I didn't take many pictures.

GTO.PAUL 01-20-2024 12:10 PM

Mystery Bird
 
I have some pics if needed.

Held for Ransom 01-20-2024 04:32 PM

Do you have the gas cap date? Or, the tire decal?

Held for Ransom 01-20-2024 07:52 PM

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May have found someone to tackle the exhaust, but they didn't leave me a warm fuzzy...
https://timscustomexhaust.com/

I wonder how good these mufflers are?
https://www.classicindustries.com/pr...E&gclsrc=aw.ds
https://www.classicindustries.com/pr...E&gclsrc=aw.ds


I can say where it was purchased from...
https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...1&d=1705794503

johnta1 01-20-2024 08:09 PM

400 4speed with Honeycombs?


:confused:

Held for Ransom 01-20-2024 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 6479595)
400 4speed with Honeycombs?


Too bad I didn't get it before they readied it for resale. I can't read the tag...

Rocky Rotella 01-20-2024 10:19 PM

I see one head gasket notch. That suggests a 350-ci engine.

I also see a heater hose holder, which means non-A/C. (As if the lack of the compressor and associated brackets on the passenger side cylinder head wasn’t enough!)

And then there’s the shade of engine blue!

necdb3 01-20-2024 11:06 PM

By the belt warning on the speedo, and the engine blue, it has to be a late 72 or early 73. My guess is a late 72 350 Sundance bird.

necdb3 01-20-2024 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Held for Ransom (Post 6479122)
Will not use them, period. Ordered a kit off of eBay apparently while he was having health problems, Luckily I got a system, but after a long wait. Never installed, maybe I'll steal the muffler...

Sorry you've had bad service from them, I've had nothing but good service. Saying that, the last system I ordered from them was 3 years ago.

Baron Von Zeppelin 01-21-2024 12:12 AM

Maybe a 73 Navajo Formula 350 with a R2 spare tire.

:knock:

johnta1 01-22-2024 11:32 AM

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I can say where it was purchased from...

Quote:

Maybe a 73 Navajo Formula 350 with a R2 spare tire.

If it's a Navajo Orange Formula from Hansord, they must have liked that color.


:)

Held for Ransom 01-23-2024 06:19 PM

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We have a gentleman's agreement to sell/purchase the vehicle.

It's not much (other than the price). But, it is a '73, and a Formula. Not Navajo.

Rocky Rotella 01-23-2024 06:57 PM

Congrats!

More pics when you get it!

johnta1 01-23-2024 07:00 PM

Cool!
The only other Hansord dealer car I know for 1973 was a SD 455 TA.
(Buccaneer Red also)



:)

Held for Ransom 01-23-2024 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 6480345)
Cool!
The only other Hansord dealer car I know for 1973 was a SD 455 TA.
(Buccaneer Red also)


:)


John, I thought you were referencing this one earlier...
https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...d.php?t=789628

johnta1 01-23-2024 08:51 PM

Yes, that is the one I thought it was Navajo Orange. But you saying it's not that, soooo thought SD? but pic is not a SD Formula. (Buccaneer Red)


Unless this is the Orange one repainted?


:)

71GP76TA 01-23-2024 08:57 PM

Looks like a nice clean original car.

fbody_mike 01-23-2024 10:00 PM

Very Nice! Am I seeing a floor shift 3 speed?

Baron Von Zeppelin 01-23-2024 11:05 PM

Great car Mike
Congrats on it having 3 pedals and a wiggle stick
21,000 miles should be sweet and tight.
The trunk gutter pic looked sorta Navajo

Does it have #46 cylinder heads ?
Some of those have screw-in studs and some don't - iirc

Does it have a posi axle with that 3spd ?

kingbuzzo 01-24-2024 12:09 AM

Wow what a beauty...

johnta1 01-24-2024 08:07 AM

Mike, does it have a metal front valance?
Also does it have a Firebird decal on the rear spoiler?
(my 73 Florentine Red Formula had one that looked good on it)


:)

4birds 01-24-2024 01:43 PM

Nice!
I like it. Looking forward more pictures.

Held for Ransom 01-24-2024 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fbody_mike (Post 6480385)
Very Nice! Am I seeing a floor shift 3 speed?


Yes.

Held for Ransom 01-24-2024 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin (Post 6480399)
Great car Mike
Congrats on it having 3 pedals and a wiggle stick
21,000 miles should be sweet and tight.
The trunk gutter pic looked sorta Navajo

Does it have #46 cylinder heads ?
Some of those have screw-in studs and some don't - iirc

Does it have a posi axle with that 3spd ?


I think the color came from the cut and buff residue.


I'll have to check on the heads.


No Safe-T-Track, gears should be 3.08:1 though.

Held for Ransom 01-24-2024 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 6480447)
Mike, does it have a metal front valance?
Also does it have a Firebird decal on the rear spoiler?
(my 73 Florentine Red Formula had one that looked good on it)


:)

I remember a metal front lower valance.
Very basic Formula. No spoiler on PHS, but one is on there with black decal (day 1, day 2, or day 3 car???)

keith k 01-24-2024 09:55 PM

Looks like a nice car - congrats!

Held for Ransom 02-02-2024 09:11 AM

Well, I paid for it yesterday and received a title. Was going to pick up over the weekend. Do not, at this time, believe title is for this car. Will probably have to have former owners' (deceased) brother visit state DMV. Why me...

Ramairnacho 02-02-2024 02:27 PM

Congrats

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-03-2024 12:01 AM

What a bummer !
Hope its something that comes out clean in the wash.

Held for Ransom 02-03-2024 12:20 AM

Baron, the problem was he couldn't find any title except the one he tried giving me. The plates are linked to the car, but our state "purges" titles every so often so if it hasn't been registered for a while, the title becomes lost in the system. He'll have to get a surety bond and pay a fee. I just don't know if it'll affect value when selling again.

Held for Ransom 02-03-2024 02:05 AM

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I got a closer look at the "NOS" RA air cleaner and it was a reproduction.

But, here is a little teaser photo. I mean, what '73 Trans Am owner wouldn't love to have this...

GTO.PAUL 02-03-2024 10:45 AM

Fuzzy
 
I'll take it! Thanks, Mike

Held for Ransom 02-08-2024 10:08 PM

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While I'm just waiting, I'll post some dealer items (real). Forgot to get a picture of the seat belt warning sleeve, but it's like the ones advertised for '72s.

Held for Ransom 04-05-2024 10:21 PM

Still waiting for a correct title to be issued. Went and grabbed the RA air cleaner again and realized it was my reproduction I was looking at earlier. The one with the car IS an NOS unit.

Bucksnort 04-06-2024 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Held for Ransom (Post 6479590)
May have found someone to tackle the exhaust, but they didn't leave me a warm fuzzy...
https://timscustomexhaust.com/

I wonder how good these mufflers are?
https://www.classicindustries.com/pr...E&gclsrc=aw.ds
https://www.classicindustries.com/pr...E&gclsrc=aw.ds


I can say where it was purchased from...
https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...1&d=1705794503

Hey Mike - I had Tim's install the exhaust on my Judge. Got the complete system from In Line. It was a very straightforward install, no tweaks needed but for what they did I was happy with the work. I was there to see them do the install.

Dan


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