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Baron Von Zeppelin 02-17-2024 11:26 PM

67 Red GTO Survivor on B@T auction site
 
Original Paint & Stripes , mostly original everything to certain degrees.
61,000 actual miles
Sold new in my hometown of Greensboro , NC

Red on Red
YS engine car with low options
Lots of pictures

60sstuff might like examining this specimen.
We don't see too many popping up like this anymore , that can be fully viewed.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-pontiac-gto-133/

https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content...it=2048%2C1536

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-17-2024 11:40 PM

Check out the Firewall ink stamps.
This girl has charm

60sstuff 02-18-2024 12:48 AM

Excellent ‘67 Survivor!

1967gto1 02-23-2024 03:42 PM

Just sold for $63K.

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-23-2024 11:54 PM

I thought that was really fair on both sides.

Not everyone goes in for Red on Red
Or a low option Automatic
But that car was amazing , and can even step up a little more to be ultra amazing.
The amount and condition of untouched content was over the top

Greg Reid 02-24-2024 12:01 AM

Red on red in red. I like that....

Kenth 02-24-2024 07:10 AM

Nice car! Also nice to see the Caution Fan decal in the right spot.

gsjo 02-24-2024 05:27 PM

Hi guys I"m the new caretaker,if anyone here can lead me to a correct carb I think the car deserves it.Much appreciated.Thanks Joe

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-24-2024 05:56 PM

Welcome to PY and congrats on that bowl full of cherries.

I will send you a Private Message with a link to one.
Be extremely cautious (aka do not reply) if you get any PM's from newly joined members offering parts.
All the car forums have scammers now looking for parts wanted requests - to rip off.

You will need to call these folks and verify what they have .
Needs to have the dime size ID disc.
The disc also has a date code.
You want the date to be before the car was built. Ideally

You can view a real 67 carb on the 67 Convertible auction currently on BaT.
And some real expensive rebuilts on eBay
7027262

This new disc is dated K6
October 66
They sell these new discs for about $30-40 with various dates if you needed to change one to a better date.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/s...Av3c4BNyANBydI

gsjo 02-24-2024 06:02 PM

carb
 
Thank you .I'll look for the pm.Iwill let you know how I make out,Again thnks

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-24-2024 06:07 PM

Just sent a few moments ago .
The discs are color-coded , and some are natural , by according dates and applications.
So don't let a color variance be a detractor.

Have seen silver gold red green and blue , so far.

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-24-2024 06:43 PM

Your car was built 05E , May 5th week 1967
So you really want a carb tag with C7 D7 or E7 date range
Good Luck for you and the car

Kenth 02-25-2024 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin (Post 6488210)
This new disc is dated K6
October 66
They sell these new discs for about $30-40 with various dates if you needed to change one to a better date.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/s...Av3c4BNyANBydI

That disc is a mix of 1. Wrong color. 2. Wrong Number. 3. Wrong style hole in the center.

60sstuff 02-25-2024 03:14 PM

#7027262
 
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Not all assembly line 1967 Rochester Quadrajet came with the round aluminum disc.

I’ve owned several ‘67 with the #7027262 stamped vertically on LH side of carb body as shown below on an Unrestored Survivor.

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-25-2024 04:07 PM

WoW
Have never seen a 66 or 67 Qjet with stamped ID.
Chevy and Olds used them in 66
Always the Disc.

If I were buying one , it would have to be a Disc ID
Thanks 60sstuff

Looks like the repop discs might all be done in red now regardless of date or code.
Did see a gold one offered , but it might have been an original.
Round holes in the disc is all I can remember seeing before.

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-25-2024 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 60sstuff (Post 6488405)
Not all assembly line 1967 Rochester Quadrajet came with the round aluminum disc.

I’ve owned several ‘67 with the #7027262 stamped vertically on LH side of carb body as shown below on an Unrestored Survivor.

Oh wait
That's an SR unit dated in late 1970

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-25-2024 04:16 PM

I think the 66 Pontiac Sprint 6 "might" have used a Qjet
But on the whole Pontiac didn't switch to them until 67

And of those "disc" era Qjets - only the 67 Pontiac V8 units had the strait fuel inlet.
All others were side inlet.

Some of the 67 full size 400 V8's still used an AFB
The Qjet came with 670 head 400's and 428's

gsjo 02-25-2024 04:39 PM

Thanks you guys- for all the info,its very helpful as my strong points are Buick GS cars.I'm used to identifying carbs by the numbers stamped on the carb body.Will the steel shim plate be tough to source? guess I'll throw this out as well,does anyone have a correct dated voltage reg for this goat? My plan is to find a carb,regulator and a Gardner Exh.Thanks Joe

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-25-2024 05:02 PM

Great plan gsjo

Here are couple pics from an eBay 67 intake.
The holes up front with a trough connecting them is a heat crossover that allows hot exhaust to circulate and warm the carb. Good cold weather feature - but bad for anything else.

If the shimplate gets left out it warps the baseplate.
Most guys today are drilling and tapping those holes and installing hex head pipe plugs.
Intake would need to be off the car for safest removal of the metal shavings.

I'm not sure if epoxies would endure the heat to plug the holes - but maybe there are products now.

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/TksAA...pg/s-l1600.png

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yRYAA...rqN/s-l960.png

Jeff Hamlin 02-25-2024 07:53 PM

Great '67! Good luck with getting all the needed bits.


Baron, Yes the 1966 OHC 6 SPRINT is the 1st Pontiac to utilize the Q-Jet.

FWIW here is a '67 Carb Tag list I have on file;

1967 CARB TAG CHART;
FEDERAL;
7027260 – YELLOW
7027261 – LIGHT GREEN
7027262 – BLUE
7027263 – GOLD
7027268 – RED
7027269 – BLACK
7027272 – DARK BLUE
7027273 – BLACK
CALIFORNIA;
7037260 – RED
7037261 – BLACK
7037262 – MAROON
7037263 – ORANGE
7037268 – GREEN
7037269 – COPPER
7037271 – YELLOW
7037272 – DARK BLUE
7037273 – BLACK

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-25-2024 08:03 PM

Great list on those color codes Jeff
I never took any time to try to relate the colors back in the 80's-90's when I was handling a fair amount of various 67 carbs.

Cammer-6 02-25-2024 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin (Post 6488414)
WoW
Have never seen a 66 or 67 Qjet with stamped ID.
Chevy and Olds used them in 66
Always the Disc.

If I were buying one , it would have to be a Disc ID
Thanks 60sstuff

Looks like the repop discs might all be done in red now regardless of date or code.
Did see a gold one offered , but it might have been an original.
Round holes in the disc is all I can remember seeing before.

My 67 Sprint built 12C has a stamped carb and its the first design 67 carb

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-25-2024 10:33 PM

The stamped versions must be few and far between.
Or SR dated carbs.

Only 2 on eBay are stamped
One is a late 1971 dated SR 7037262

One is an obvious restamp for a 67 RamAir Firebird
Numbered 7037276 without a date code or plant pick code.
And its a Carter

There is a Manual Sprint carb 7027269 with a Disc dated B7

Also found a couple with M 6 date codes.
Meaning they most likely did skip " I " on the carb dates.

I've been checking all 4 GM divisions

Kenth 02-26-2024 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Hamlin (Post 6488458)
Great '67! Good luck with getting all the needed bits.


Baron, Yes the 1966 OHC 6 SPRINT is the 1st Pontiac to utilize the Q-Jet.

FWIW here is a '67 Carb Tag list I have on file;

1967 CARB TAG CHART;
FEDERAL;
7027260 – YELLOW
7027261 – LIGHT GREEN
7027262 – BLUE
7027263 – GOLD
7027268 – RED
7027269 – BLACK
7027272 – DARK BLUE
7027273 – BLACK
CALIFORNIA;
7037260 – RED
7037261 – BLACK
7037262 – MAROON
7037263 – ORANGE
7037268 – GREEN
7037269 – COPPER
7037271 – YELLOW
7037272 – DARK BLUE
7037273 – BLACK

Nice list, thanks!
Add to that, CALIFORNIA tags got a square center hole while FEDERAL tags got a round hole.

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-26-2024 03:47 PM

Parts Place would do better to make those discs in natural finish , and probably round holes would cover more of the market correctly.

The square hole could be drilled round I suppose.

Great info from you guys about the discs !

428ho4spd 02-26-2024 07:24 PM

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The original round disc on the '67 I sold last fall looked more red to me, but the chart called it orange. And by the looks of it when removed, I doubt that it ever had a can a carb cleaner touch it. Lol

Cammer-6 02-26-2024 07:46 PM

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heres pics of a couple discs
hole on one isnt round or square

Mcronk 02-28-2024 08:23 PM

Another item that seems "odd" to me is the use of a fan shroud on a non A/C car. The fan shroud was used on all A/C cars and also part of the HD cooling option (though some documented 67 RA cars appear without the shroud). This car does not have A/C or the heavy duty cooling option. I assume it was possibly added to help with cooling.

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-28-2024 08:42 PM

I didn't even ever notice the shroud on the car.
Believe there was a dealer service part made for the shorter Non-AC radiator.

And I think they reproduced it - or at least at some point - in the restoration parts catalogs.

Also seems like its been said you can put an old factory Voltage Regulator outer cover onto a newer replacement part.
I probably have an old regulator on a parts car if that is true.

60sstuff 02-28-2024 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcronk (Post 6489205)
Another item that seems "odd" to me is the use of a fan shroud on a non A/C car. The fan shroud was used on all A/C cars and also part of the HD cooling option (though some documented 67 RA cars appear without the shroud). This car does not have A/C or the heavy duty cooling option. I assume it was possibly added to help with cooling.

This over the counter fan shroud was widely used back in the day as the GTO’s tend to run hot. They are a durable thick textured plastic with the part number.

The Original owner of my ‘66 GTO added this shroud shortly after he bought the car.
There is one on eBay now for $$$.

Below is the one on my ‘66 along with the MPC information.

Mcronk 02-29-2024 12:06 AM

Interesting. Learned something new. To be clear that shroud was not installed on the assembly line but was a dealer over the counter part?

Baron Von Zeppelin 02-29-2024 02:07 AM

From the best I have gathered , that is correct Mcronk.
But I wasn't even 4 years old yet when 67 production ended.
So its been a perpetual learning experience

Mcronk 02-29-2024 11:21 AM

My first recollection of a GTO was when I was about 13. A neighbor down the street was a salesman at the local Pontiac dealership and he drove one home. Best I recall it was a 67 GTO Signet Gold with a Black vinyl top. This would have been about 1970. As a kid I used to try and identify make and model of cars on the road back then.

Baron Von Zeppelin 03-18-2024 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjo (Post 6488211)
Thank you .I'll look for the pm.Iwill let you know how I make out,Again thnks

Did you have any luck on a carburetor yet ?

Longs 03-19-2024 04:53 PM

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This is the original Q-Jet that's on my '67 GTO, automatic A/C car, with the blue ID disc. The car was built in the 4th week of June 1967 at the Pontiac plant.

Yes, it's quite filthy. It was last rebuilt over 30 years ago, it's due. It still runs pretty well, but I'm sure it would be better with a rebuild.

Pershing 03-21-2024 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenth (Post 6488534)
Nice list, thanks!
Add to that, CALIFORNIA tags got a square center hole while FEDERAL tags got a round hole.

How do you decode the carb number and color? It is by application? For instance base engine/3-speed, base engine/4-speed, etc through Ram Air or is it by engineering change level, or is it by production date? I'd like to check my Q-Jet to see if is correct. Thanks.

Baron Von Zeppelin 03-21-2024 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pershing (Post 6493455)
How do you decode the carb number and color?

For 67 carbs they follow the block code application.

Firebirds had their own block/carb codes to themselves.
Sprint 6 carbs are in that list too (Abody & Fbody codes)

49 State GTO and 428 cars used
7027262 Auto - all
7027263 Manual - all

The colored tags were probably done to aid assembly line workers from mixing them all up.
Each application got its own color.

Pershing 03-22-2024 10:56 AM

Thanks for that info. Its very helpful

lust4speed 04-01-2024 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mcronk (Post 6489205)
Another item that seems "odd" to me is the use of a fan shroud on a non A/C car. The fan shroud was used on all A/C cars and also part of the HD cooling option (though some documented 67 RA cars appear without the shroud). This car does not have A/C or the heavy duty cooling option. I assume it was possibly added to help with cooling.

My '67 H.O. that I factory ordered came without a shroud. Car was only a couple months old when I got stuck in summertime gridlock traffic and the temp gauge climbed over 215° before traffic let up and temp came down. Part of the problem was my previous cars had idiot lights and gauges were new to me. Anyway that Monday I went down at the dealership and purchased a fan shroud for the 15-1/2" radiator. They had it in stock and it set me back a little over $11 before tax. Mine looks just like the photos 60sstuff posted.


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