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Skip Fix 06-09-2024 11:08 AM

Indy 1949
 
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My Dad was a big photographer (his Dad made movies in the 40s and 50s). He was at Purdue in 1949 getting his Masters in Mechanical Engineering -after WWII delayed his Texas A&M Bachelor in ME. He always talked about going to Indy while there so I think these must be from them.

Skip Fix 06-09-2024 11:17 AM

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Skip Fix 06-09-2024 11:18 AM

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A few more -check out the scaffolds one even in a truck bed!

Skip Fix 06-09-2024 11:21 AM

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This looks like an adjacent dirt track for midgets. One looks like the lights are on some maybe an evening/night race, or maybe a different exposure on one they are not as visible.
35 mm I think his Argus camera.

indymanjoe 06-09-2024 11:23 AM

Awesome pics! thanks for sharing.

carcrazy 06-09-2024 01:13 PM

Thanks for sharing...great pics!

b-man 06-09-2024 01:39 PM

Wow.

Talk about historical racing photos !

Very skillful photographer capturing those Indy cars at speed. I love the wire wheels leaning against the pit wall and the Radio Flyer wagon carrying what looks to be batteries. :)

Incredible, these shots should be published somewhere other than just on a Pontiac internet forum.

hurryinhoosier62 06-09-2024 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Fix (Post 6508292)
My Dad was a big photographer (his Dad made movies in the 40s and 50s). He was at Purdue in 1949 getting his Masters in Mechanical Engineering -after WWII delayed his Texas A&M Bachelor in ME. He always talked about going to Indy while there so I think these must be from them.

Yep. The pits on the front straightaway when the old grandstands were still at IMS.

hurryinhoosier62 06-09-2024 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Fix (Post 6508296)
This looks like an adjacent dirt track for midgets. One looks like the lights are on some maybe an evening/night race, or maybe a different exposure on one they are not as visible.
35 mm I think his Argus camera.

That is what became Indianapolis Raceway Park in Avon, IN. It was a dirt track decades before it was paved.

mgarblik 06-09-2024 07:44 PM

Thanks for those great pics. I just love the Indy 500. The history, the size, the pageantry, the memorial remembrances for our military,the entire month of May. I have been to over 20 races and they all have highlights, even this year. A few tidbits about the 1949 race. Race won by Bill Holland, car #7, starting from the inside of row 2. Blue Crown Spark Plug special. Offenhauser engine. qualifying speed 128.67 mph. Race speed ave: 121.327 mph. Laps led: 146, (200) Margin of victory 3m 11 sec. Winning driver Holland had finished each of the two previous years in second to Mauri Rose. Offy roadsters dominated Indy in this period for 15+ years. Finally, in 1965, Jim Clark broke the incredible streak with a rear engine car and as they say, the rest is history. Thanks again for the first hand pictures.

Skip Fix 06-09-2024 09:20 PM

My dad being an engineer and a math guy got into SCCA Rally with a friend that had an Alfa. Since in Rally you can not be too early or late to check points you had to do math to tell how much and how long to speed up or slow down. back then it was all slide rule calculations! They did pretty good in the Dallas SCCA. He took me to soem road races and drag races at Green Valley and came and watched my impala at the drags in '72 and came out to the drag strip when i was up in Dallas for the Pontiac Southern Nationals.
His WWII delay was being at Oegon State for some Special Detail training then at Los Alamos in the Special Engineering Detail-main job hauling high explosives for the detonators.

Jack Gifford 06-11-2024 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62 (Post 6508369)
... That is what became Indianapolis Raceway Park in Avon, IN...

Raceway Park (now Lucas) is in the town of Brownsburg. Where is Avon?

tempest1964 06-11-2024 09:06 AM

Avon is just west of Indianapolis. Just head west on Rockville Rd (SR 36). It's just inside of Hendricks County, just outside of Marion Co (Indianapolis).

johnta1 06-11-2024 09:21 AM

Wasn't Indy (dragstrip) considered in Avon, until the Pro's came to Brownsburg? (and they change address?)

I remember always going by Bob Glidden's place when we went to the dragstrip. (and some others, can't remember names)

:)

Steve C. 06-11-2024 09:26 AM

Great stuff ! !


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Keith Seymore 06-11-2024 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mgarblik (Post 6508380)
Thanks for those great pics. I just love the Indy 500. The history, the size, the pageantry, the memorial remembrances for our military,the entire month of May. I have been to over 20 races and they all have highlights, even this year. A few tidbits about the 1949 race. Race won by Bill Holland, car #7, starting from the inside of row 2. Blue Crown Spark Plug special. Offenhauser engine. qualifying speed 128.67 mph. Race speed ave: 121.327 mph. Laps led: 146, (200) Margin of victory 3m 11 sec. Winning driver Holland had finished each of the two previous years in second to Mauri Rose. Offy roadsters dominated Indy in this period for 15+ years. Finally, in 1965, Jim Clark broke the incredible streak with a rear engine car and as they say, the rest is history. Thanks again for the first hand pictures.

Ok - "Donald Davidson"...

;)

K

mgarblik 06-11-2024 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith Seymore (Post 6508703)
Ok - "Donald Davidson"...

;)

K

I am a little embarrassed to say I had to look up Donald Davidson in the IMS musuem page!. I do have a couple coffee table books about the Indy 500. The book I got that info from has about 3 pages of highlights from every Indy 500 run to the time the book was published which was 2016 I think. When those 33 cars come down the front stretch for the green flag to start the race, it's the most exciting 2 minutes in motorsports IMO. The only other thing that comes close for me is night qualifying for the US Nationals in the fuel classes in front of a packed house. Thanks to Arnie Beswick, we were able to run in front of that same crowd a couple times in our Pontiac powered race cars. A gift I can never repay.

Lightfoot 06-11-2024 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62 (Post 6508368)
Yep. The pits on the front straightaway when the old grandstands were still at IMS.

That's what I thought I was seeing. When men were men.
Curious about the refrigerators spaced along the wall down the front stretch. I wonder if they where for cold drinking water for the drivers, or something else. Refrigeration was still pretty new in the late forties, I'm thinking.

Keith Seymore 06-11-2024 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mgarblik (Post 6508756)
I am a little embarrassed to say I had to look up Donald Davidson in the IMS musuem page!. I do have a couple coffee table books about the Indy 500. The book I got that info from has about 3 pages of highlights from every Indy 500 run to the time the book was published which was 2016 I think. When those 33 cars come down the front stretch for the green flag to start the race, it's the most exciting 2 minutes in motorsports IMO. The only other thing that comes close for me is night qualifying for the US Nationals in the fuel classes in front of a packed house. Thanks to Arnie Beswick, we were able to run in front of that same crowd a couple times in our Pontiac powered race cars. A gift I can never repay.

He was a savant when it came to Indy history. He would do the color commentary with all those type of arcane factoids and details, just off the cuff and completely from memory. Simply amazing.

Now - we have Google. :rolleyes:

K

promptcritical 06-11-2024 08:25 PM

I really like the way the early cars look.

hurryinhoosier62 06-11-2024 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Gifford (Post 6508647)
Raceway Park (now Lucas) is in the town of Brownsburg. Where is Avon?

Not really, Jack. Avon is closer than Brownsburg.

hurryinhoosier62 06-11-2024 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 6508682)
Wasn't Indy (dragstrip) considered in Avon, until the Pro's came to Brownsburg? (and they change address?)

I remember always going by Bob Glidden's place when we went to the dragstrip. (and some others, can't remember names)

:)

Yep. When I lived in Indy (‘91-‘94) IRP had an Avon address. This was before all the Top Fuel and Funny Car teams sat up shops in Brownsburg.

mgarblik 06-11-2024 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by promptcritical (Post 6508809)
I really like the way the early cars look.

One of the really cool things about the pageantry of race day is the laps they take with old cars from the IMS Museum. Most of the cars are kept in running condition and each year a dozen or so make a lap. This year one was super early pre 1920. Several from each decade moving up from there. It's great to see and hear these cars running again. And they don't creep around the track. Some will accelerate through the gears a little and may reach 80-100 for a short period.

hurryinhoosier62 06-11-2024 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hurryinhoosier62 (Post 6508822)
Not really, Jack. Avon is closer than Brownsburg.

In reality, IRP is in Clermont, IN.

Jack Gifford 06-12-2024 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 6508682)
... Wasn't Indy (dragstrip) considered in Avon, until the Pro's came to Brownsburg?...

All I know is that Raceway Park was in Brownsburg in '61, '62. & '63 when I attended those fuel-ban Nationals.

johnta1 06-12-2024 07:05 AM

Could be Jack.

I think it was mainly all unincorporated area and it was just which town got the population?

As Hurry said, it is Clermont.

They were all mostly unpopulated, farm country etc. with a dragstrip in the middle of it.

Also seems when they put the fuel thingy by it, that started more businesses
around it? (which seemed to be in Clermont?)

BTW, Jack do you have the Dragsters from then?
They may have the address/town in it?
I threw about all mine away last time I moved.


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hurryinhoosier62 06-12-2024 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Gifford (Post 6508845)
All I know is that Raceway Park was in Brownsburg in '61, '62. & '63 when I attended those fuel-ban Nationals.

Jack, could be. What I do know is IRP is in Clermont today and was in Clermont when I lived there thirty years ago. Avon is closer to IRP than Brownsburg is.

Jack Gifford 06-13-2024 12:10 AM

No, John, I don't. Wasn't it still Drag Link (or some such name) back then?
Until recently I had a ticket stub from '62 Nationals, but can't find it now.

Steve C. 06-19-2024 10:47 AM

Related, this is a good series if interested.....


Auto racing's most electrifying personalities experience triumphs and tribulations on their high-octane journeys to the Indianapolis 500.

100 Days to Indy

https://www.netflix.com/title/81756281



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