I'm just going to set this here for comments...
 

Joe rambles a bit, but the essence is understood...thoughts??

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Rambles? Ya.
Couldn’t watch the whole video but I’d have to say he’s pretty much right. I don’t see the hobby continuing as we know it. The newer generations aren’t interested in what we have. Plus, the cost to build a car today is outrageous.

Don’t really know where my stuff will end up when I’m gone but at least “I” enjoyed it.

He makes some valid points in that what's important to one person may not be important to another, especially when it comes to sentimental value of an automobile. Also, have plans in place for your assets before you die. But it also sounds like the weight of losing friends was bearing down on him too.

Agree with some. Obviously, Joe posted to generate feedback. Goofy in some ways but some points hit home 100%.

Many older folks holding cars. I have this conversation a lot with my boys (3) and significant other. We are dying out, period.

Who is this blowhard? I didn't even make it a minute in - but at least it's a reminder as to why I should never click on facebook posts.

He makes valid points. I know Internet videos usually get paid by length and views.... It's obvious when folks are stretching out the length part. Not a big fan of current television so we watch a lot of old shows recorded from METV or wherever. It's obvious they had to drag out the two part episodes.

For those folks that don't know Joe Zolper he is a drag racer among other things (like a digital creator :D ) and he has a Bad Fast Pro Mod style Superbird. He lives in the Chicago suburbs.


Also not a fan of Joe Zolper videos but he has a great one ranting about the State of Illinois when they fined him for removing the insurance from one of his vehicles so he could perform some long term repairs

He makes some valid points. A lot of what he is saying is purely point of view from his perspective. Certain cars will always have value. Certain cars will always increase in value.... Stutz... Duesenberg.. etc.. come to mind.. and yes some iconic muscle cars will retain and increase in value.. I think a lot of "trendy" modded cars will decrease in value.. Look at street rods that were built 25-35 years ago... pro street cars... dated customs... cars that are too personalized... they all sell for pennies on the dollar and have very little interest.

I didnt watch the whole thing so maybe he makes some different points, but his base point in the beginning about youth not caring about the old cars is I story we see come up and I just dont see it as reality. And as someone who dabbles in content creation, more specifically as someone who read through reddit posts for people trying to come up with ideas, I can say there are plenty of people who are just trying to harness an idea or stereotype to generate engagement.

I go to PRI every year, and it doesnt skew nearly as old as guys like him would have you believe.

Would I believe that an individuals individual kids might not want their dads car? Sure. But thats small sample size. It also doesnt have to be negative. Why should someone be beholden to become a caretaker for something they dont want, when that thing will bring someone else joy? When God forbid my dad goes, Im going to be on the phone with a real estate agent as soon as any normal estate hurdles clear to sell the house. Why would I not? Im not moving to Wisconsin. I dont even really like Indiana so Im def not dealing with even more salty roads. I dont see why a car is different. You dont want it, you dont have room for it, maybe you need the money, maybe you just want to get the uncomfortable process that comes from a death in the family behind you quickly.

And if these cars are truly getting offloaded cheaply, thats good for the hobby. Because if there is a gateway to youth owning muscle cars its cost.

Ive said this before on here and I stand by it. When the stars in TV shows and action movies stop driving muscle cars and start driving Corollas then I will be worried for the hobby. As long as John Wick drives Chevells and Mustangs, we are still cool.

He is monetizing personal opinions.
Sad to see some folks cash in on
past success in life for money.


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I didn’t click on the actual video,
I can stop at a bus stop or pull over
at a sidewalk in any town to hear
someone ramble on …


Jim

I don't see what the problem is. I don't even really know what his main question or concern is. He kept asking "what are you doing" with these cars. But then he seems fixed on what happens after an owner dies. Who cares? They're dead. At that point the car is just part of the estate. That's it. It's a thing. Either someone wants it or not. I don't know why he's so distraught by the whole thing.

I don't have anyone who wants my car after I die. I've already given my wife instructions on what to do with it if I die before she does. It may be worth something, or it may not. The end.

He really aint far off -- but I still see another 15 years or even 20 years before things really get to this point.... and he is correct - majority of the younger generation today wants nothing to do with old cars. No connection. Not wanting to deal with maintenance etc. And labor on repairs is ridiculous. Heck most 40-ish year olds I meet that are new to the hobby and can't do much work on their own are then blown away with the $150 to $225 an hour shop rates.

Then factor in that the majority of big cities is getting rid of parking everywhere you turn and there just is no space to have an extra car for the younger generation that typically lives in big cities due to employment opportunities there.

And here is where I totally agree with him - GO DRIVE YOUR CAR!!! Do burnouts. Race it. Enjoy it how is was truly built to be enjoyed!

Exactly ^^^^
I refuse to watch this especially if it’s on FB ….. give him a box of Kleenex.

Our living trust spells out everything including my cars and parts, which provides me a great hobby while I’m here. After I’m not here, oh well it’s next in line, enjoy.

Regards

His point as I see it is, Use your car(s) and get rid of them while you are alive, because next to nobody is going to want it after you are gone and there will be so many of them for sale in 10-15 years that they will be worth very little.

I 100% agree,

Except I might have an anomaly, one of my grandsons who is 14 loves my car he asks me questions about it and sends me sketches of it regularly, so maybe he will want my bird when I’m done with it. My 8 other grandchildren probably do not want the car in the slightest.

I say sell it before you die, cheap, real cheap, to someone that appears devoted to the hobby, preferably young, preferably not profit driven. Maybe help keep the hobby going for another couple of decades.

If you wait till after you die, it's still going to go very cheap in most cases, and probably to someone that will just roll it over for a profit.

Pay it forward to the next generation.

I didn’t watch the video but o agree to some extent with the topic. Some cars will be worth big money still. They aren’t as likely to depreciate as they are to stop appreciating.
That’s what happened with 20s 30s 40s 50s cars they reached a point and stopped gaining while regular car prices kept rising

A decent diesel pick up is $90k today
My hellcat Durango was $100k
So $100k for a rare Pontiac is an average price today really
$100k to restore a rare car is again average. We are comparing really hot and rare performance cars after all

I think one thing has diminished the hobby and that’s everything being retired stock vs period correct . But that’s a different story. In the 60s and 70s people didn’t leave these cars stock and they didn’t want these cars stock if you drove around in one stock you were likely either a dork or you were driving your dads car 😂

Nah seriously though. So many weren’t stock that people who had stock ones had something rare. So people started restoring to stock , but now it’s rare to not have one that’s stock but period correct so DAY 2 is gaining steam. Especially w the Chevy guys. Even yenko cars

Many kids aren’t interested in the shows because it’s a sea of the same restored cars with guys who are interested in am vs fm or maybe it has a reverb.

Kids (younger people) want flash and power. And drivability something they can use vs diaper , maybe that’s why resto mods are brining so much money 💰

He's the same idiot on "garbage squad" that kept referring to a Pontiac engine as a big block. My guess is the gig didn't last and he's looking to make $$ off his posts.

Yikes…. Depressing talk but nothing lasts forever. I’m not seeing the hobby die anytime soon. Both my sons would like to have an old car but it isn’t realistic at the moment. One of them will get my gto when I’m gone cause I have no intentions of selling it. If I didn’t have someone to pass it on to I would sell it when the time was right. I took it in to get an alignment a couple of days ago and the 30 something’s were all over it and an another that looked 20. I get thumbs up all the time from drivers on the road,, been happening for many years.

I see cars get restored that looked like they should have been left right where they were at. It’s a huge undertaking on those wrecks. The price of a decent muscle car now is crazy compared to the 70s or 80s when decent ones were still around at a reasonable price. There might not be as many younger people interested but I think there’s still plenty of them around.

Not as many kids interested in old cars as when i was young, but still a few show up wild eyed and looking for fun at the shows i've been to. I don't mind if they want to sit behind the wheel or touch my car. I figure maybe I can help light that fire by sharing.

Told my grandson that my 68 GTO will be his one day, when the time is right. He was very excited about it when he was 5yrs old, but now he's 15 and couldn't be less interested, and I've rescinded the offer; I'm going to hang on to it for awhile longer...

Nobody or nothing lasts forever and I do see his point and the barrier of entry for the kids that are interested.

My kid has been planning my death for years so no worries about my beater but those guys that hoard a ton of cars and never drive them should just let them go to someone who wants in.

Life is too short otherwise.

Last weekend at our local track we went to 1320 Video’s 3 day Ice Cream Cruise car festival. 14,000 in attendence all 3 days. I think Saturday is well over 20K. Probably 2/3 of the crowd was under 30. Tons of teens. My 13 year old son and I had a total blast. What a hoot. I am not very worried about the next generation when it comes to cars.

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To add to my earlier post...

When I'm out driving around at least as many young people give me a thumbs or a wave as older people, maybe more. In fact, many times I'll drive by a guy about my age or older who takes no notice of the car whatsoever. Now, I'm not looking for that at all, but it is a little weird that some one from that era would see a 70 TA roll by and not bat an eye.

I searched the web today and found some stats from Hagerty, etc. There don't seem to be any hard figures. Lots of estimates. One said that about 8% of car owners have a "classic car". I don't know what that means. But
i find it very hard to believe that 8% of car owners have what we're talking about here, a 60s-70s muscle car.

So the thing is that even though the hobby is not exactly mainstream, the people in it are sort of devoted to it.

The other thing is that young people don't have any money yet. And it's not a cheap hobby.

But, the most important thing is that I don't have my car for any of them. I have it for me!

What I took from what Joe was saying, was drive and enjoy those damn cars. Many of them are not going to be that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that we think they will be.

That is true. Back in the 80’s you could buy a decent muscle car at a decent price. That time is gone.Kind of tough for a young person these days on a budget.

I think enjoy and drive your cars is very true.

One of my friends was getting frustrated that his kids were not interested in his old Pontiac’s, and has came close to selling off his cars several times. He also very rarely drove them. But when his kids started driving to school and getting drivers licenses, he started getting his old cars out and enjoying them more. One of the kids is helping work on them a lot, so much so, they ended up buying another project. I think there is a lot of truth to getting your cars out and enjoying them, especially with kids.

We were parked next to a college age girl (her dad was there with her) at the car show with wild custom Mazda Miata. There were over 2200 cars at the show, she was in the VIP section of the car show. Very cool.

The weather cooled off here last week. I daily drove my numbers matching original paint '70 Chevelle SS454 4 speed all week.


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Well I never thought I’d see a generation where some dress up like animals and use litter boxes so I guess in ways the times are a changin’.

my 12 y/o Granddaughter says she has 2 Furries in the school and they are off limits to all the kids.

I'm in Pigeon Forge this week and there are hundreds if not thousands of younger guys and gals driving " tuner " cars ( or whatever they are) you know with about 40 degrees of negative camber. What's with that anyway? They all seem to gravitate to that style.

George

Joe is dealing with the death of his brother. Everything is stemming from that.

There is definitely interest in automobiles from the younger generations. I believe Joe's point is most the younger generations won't give a crap about our beloved muscle cars. I'd agree with that and certainly there are always acceptions. My father-in-law was into "antique" vehicles. He had a fully restored 29 Buick, a 53 Buick and a 62 Starfire. His son has always been into cars and has owned a crap ton of them. His daughter puts up with my cars and has a Grand National herself. When he passed the 53 & 62 could not be sold fast enough. The daughter wanted to keep the 29 in the family since it was a museum piece and the entire family had worked on the restoration, the brother couldn't sell it was enough.... I'm not sure how the scenario would be different today except insert GTO, GTX and GT500 in place of 29, 53 and 62.

None of the cars brought the kind of money they were "valued" at and the 53 and 29 went out of the Country for new ownership. The great thing is the fellow that purchased the 29 cares for that car as much as the previous owner but drives the wheels off of it.

Younger generations most likely aren't going to favor older muscle cars with sub-par performance and handling and to them looks. A starter project is 10k cash, a paint job is 10-20k, engine rebuild is the same and has a good chance of flattening the cam or having a roller lifter rip the bore off the side of the block ..... I think ole Joe's points have merit.... Like the guy or not.

PMFJI...

I can only state that from my own experience going to local shows and a few nationals, the median age of owners of collector cars seems to be hovering somewhere between mid-50's to mid-70's.

There are some younger people enthused about cars, yes, but when I attended my first POCI convention in 1980 (I'd been a member for a couple of years, by then), I may have been part of the younger set, but probably not by more than 20 or so years. I'm now 64, and that still disturbingly seems to be the case.

Aside from video games and cheap-cheap rice burners being so popular with the youngest set, I'd attribute a good deal of the lack of the 30-something crowd to be high financial barrier to entry. The cost of even a decent project car (for what interests that age group) is high, let alone $60K+ for a running, restored example.

My first show car is the one I show now, my '63 Bonneville. My dad was the second owner, in January of '65, and she was passed down from one to the other of us until coming to me in '76. The initial body work was along the lines of $3,500 (still a good sum of money in the late '70's), which my dad - an accountant - bartered with his client (Del's Auto Body, in Glen Cove, NY). So, for me, there was no real financial barrier to entry into the hobby.

My next "old car" was my '63 GP, which I purchased from a few blocks away for $75, and which I drove most of my sophomore and junior years in college, giving me the opportunity to retire the Bonneville from daily duty (in the snow and rain and salt and...). The GP was almost presentable as a daily driver, and gave me the opportunity to learn some necessary body work and painting skills.

Today, it seems that such experiences are fewer and farther between. This is my concern for not only our existing cars, but for the hobby as a whole. True, inheriting a nice car bypasses the financial barrier, but the person inheriting must have some desire for the car (if not the hobby); otherwise, it's like inheriting an old plow horse while living in an apartment in the city (useless, and costing more to maintain than any enjoyment which might be derived from it).

If in doubt as to what to do with the car once you're gone, and you have nobody in the family who might appreciate it as much as you do, I would suggest looking to close friends or even museums for truly nice examples. If financial need takes a more prominent role, selling while still here but no longer able to enjoy is always an option, assuming the market remains somewhat resilient and buyers of means are available.

I've seen some video of how they trashed Gatlinburg and ended up being booted out of town. Sounds like that event won't be returning.

Read about it today.. the event was "slammed enuf" and they were all over like cockroaches. It wS funnY watching them scrape their chassis over the speed bumps.

George

The dumb get dumber..

Well...at least those people are out there doing something with cars, not sitting playing games on their phones. I say if they want to drive a modded import, let 'em. They can't afford a musclecar, so do the same thing most of us did. Buy something you can afford, and start making it your own. People did that with Model A's, 40's coupes, lead sleds in the 50's, and the muscle car era. The people who came before us probably bad mouthed us the way you bad mouth the one's today.

I hope the article below isn't the future of our hobby. I get that there has always been an element of rebellion in car culture, but the violence/disrespect for authority is escalating outside of politics.

Teens Arrested as 'Vehicle Takeover' Turns Fiery in Boston
Police say crowd set cruiser on fire during street takeover

A chaotic scene erupted in Boston's South End early Sunday when a crowd of more than 100 people allegedly attacked police cruisers with fireworks and debris, leading to the arrest of two Rhode Island teenagers. According to police, the crowd was participating in a so-called "vehicle takeover" just after 2am, blocking an intersection and turning violent when officers arrived, NBC News reports. The crowd allegedly hurled fireworks, traffic cones, poles, and other items at marked police cruisers. At least one cruiser suffered extensive damage after being repeatedly hit with fireworks and catching fire, requiring intervention from the Boston Fire Department.

Police say such "takeovers" are large gatherings in which cars and pedestrians occupy roadways for activities like burnouts and illegal street racing. The confrontation escalated when some individuals jumped on the hood of a cruiser, while others used objects to strike the vehicles. Officers arrested two suspects, aged 18 and 19, who they say were both seen actively attacking a cruiser—one allegedly throwing objects, the other using an orange pole to strike the vehicle.

Both teens now face charges that include assault and battery of a police officer, destruction of property, disorderly conduct, and resisting arrest. Their arraignment is expected in Roxbury District Court. Boston Mayor Michelle Wu condemned the incident, promising that those responsible will face "serious consequences" and emphasizing that such disruptions are not welcome in the city. She assured the public that authorities intend to prosecute those involved and hold them accountable for the night's disorder. A similar incident also took place in the Boston suburb of Randolph, Boston.com reports, but no arrests were reported there.

When I was a kid growing up in Memphis in the 70s there was a huge amount of street racing. Any stretch of straight road outside of town had quarter miles marked off. The Crystal drive-in burger joint on Summer ave. had people TRAILER race cars into the parking lot for races on Summer Ave during the police shift change. I remember one guy named Billy (The Midget) a little person, with a V-8 Vega that would trailer it in.

Both myself and my brother ended up in jail once for antics in our cars (the 68 GTO I still own, and a 69 Charger in my brother's case) as teenagers.

So, just sayin, what seems like total mayhem to us now, might have seemed like good fun when we were 18.

I'd say the big difference is there was never attacks on police or any (serious) destruction of property back then. Mostly the only thing we destroyed were our own cars.

The combo of Social media and cell phones have created some big street take over flash mobs.

That is exactly my point.

Watch some of the videos. Organized street and parking lot take overs, beat downs, trashing private property. Yeah, I miss those days.

There are idiots in every group. Even some of the muscle car people act the fools. That crap happening should be dealt with.

I saw these two about a week ago. These are accurate.

QUICK observations.
1. For the most part, Skip the younger millennials
2. Your grandchild will like your car more than your own kids. Make the most of your babysitting time!!
3. If its NOT an original, bolt on modernization is huge value for enjoying the car, vs sitting due to its lack of sound deadening, lack of a good ride, or maybe even back up camera..
4. WOMEN Do NOT want to drive a car that is OVER Built.. So use the " ICE cream " camshaft"
And Enjoy life and people.